C'Thun is BACK!
- Last updated Mar 7, 2019 (Level Up Nerf)
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Wild
- 22 Minions
- 6 Spells
- 1 Weapon
- Deck Type: Ranked Deck
- Deck Archetype: C'Thun Warlock
- Crafting Cost: 14900
- Dust Needed: Loading Collection
- Created: 11/16/2017 (Marin's Treasure)
- gagelhagel
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Battle Tag:
manodura
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Region:
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Total Deck Rating
84
There is not much time left to pray to the dark lord before the rotation!
"But how can we do it?" I hear you ask, "C'Thun is not viable" I hear you nag.
Not true! C'Thun is strong and he will grant you many wins, if you bring him the right sacrifices.
I always was a big fan of the Old Gods and particularly this one, so i experimented a lot with him. Of course there were the Netdecks and Memes, but in this rotation it seems like nobody even thinks of him anymore. So i made it my vocation to create the best possible C'Thun deck available.
Beware! In the current Meta, i dont think you will get legend easy, but it is possible, if you put in the time. Also: This is a control deck. I never publish aggro decks, everybody can figure them out.
So what is in this deck, let's start with the obvious:
It is a warlock deck. Who else is more fitting to praise the old gods then Guldan himself? Exactly. Being warlock gives you many pros: 1) you dont need any draw 2) you have a lot of boardclear 3) you have very viable single target clear
Anyways we need to talk about the big con: 1) A lot of your power comes with the cost of your healthpoints
Now we don't have Reno Jackson or Antique Healbot anymore, so how do we keep our live up? This is the most common problem with this deck, so let's tech against it. We solve it with Mistress of Mixtures, Siphon Soul and mostly Bloodreaver Gul'dan. It is important to note, that against every instinct, drawing cards with your hero power (especially in the later phases of the game) is not always the way to go with this deck. You will need those healthpoints.
Why is keeping your life up so important? Because we always want boardcontrol. So we clear the board. We clear the board a lot. For that we use Hellfire, Abyssal Enforcer and Twisting Nether. "But Gagelhagel, Twisting Nether does not require any health". That's true my young padavan, but the other 4 cost you in total 12 health points alone, and more than not, you have less hp than your opponent. So keep your life up.
Now let's talk specifics. What do we want to achieve here? We want C'Thun to be big. He deserves to be big. So we give him all he can get. And how do we do that? With the C'Thun allstars. They all give you a great effect and are equiped with pretty strong stats. Always try to use Disciple of C'Thun as a minion clear. Twilight Elder and C'Thun`s Chosen for Board presence. Do not make the mistake and think Twilight Elder is your most important minion to make C'Thun grow. Twilight Elder should be used to make your opponent realize that your C'Thun is growing and a looming presence over the board. Chip away his healthpoints bit for bit and close the gap between his life and your C'Thun`s Attack Points! And if it is time, summon the God of Nightmares and offer your opponent (probably Anduin) to your dark lord. Since the second update i've removed Usher of Souls. It doesn't provide much more than strong stats, and I felt like using more tech cards.
But what if your the enemy tries to fight back with a deadly Board? Then you either destroy everything with your powerful spells or you block him with your taunts. Twin Emperor Vek'lor is always a huge Obstacle for every board and gives you time to think. Sometimes Voidwalker is already enough to block his way. Combine him with Usher of Souls and see your foe struggle, as he doesn't know what to kill first.
Note: Vek'lor does not work with Prinz Keleseth, meaning: if C'Thun is 9/9 before playing Prinz Keleseth and get +1/1 Vek'lor will not trigger. In my opinion that is a Bug from Blizzard.
And now we talk about the reason i got your attention. Prinz Keleseth is the mvp of this deck. It makes your strong minions even stronger and allows you to play weaker minions like Mindbreaker or Mistress of Mixtures that do not provide much strength besides their effect and makes them a solid soldier on the field. Always try to get him out as soon as possible and enjoy a 4/5 Twilight Elder or a 5/6 Despicable Dreadlord
"Oh but Anduin always machineguns me with his stupid razakus combo!". Well we thought of that! Mind Breaker is there to help. Use him in the right time and observe the Shadowreaper slowly starting to cry.
"All this board clears are not enough for Malfurion and his thousen Jadecraps". That`s true! But with Skulking Geist, you can make things easier!
"Oh no another Lich King/Bonemare and I used both of my Siphon Soul`s!!". Scary, but fear no more! The Black Knight is here to help.
As you see everything is thought of and now it's your time to serve the Old Gods!
On a more serious note: Especially Mind Control Tech and Mind Breaker are there to change and experiment with, depending on what you face most. Good replacements are Tar Creeper, Mistress of Mixtures or Gluttonous Ooze. But the deck is still a work in progress and I`m happy for feedback and suggestions. Its definitively the most fun deck for me at the moment and I hope you will enjoy it as well.
########## EDIT ###########
A lot of suggestions came up in the comments so i made an update and tried things out.
Now out: Cult Apothecary 2x, Mind Control Tech, Mindbreaker, Alexstrasza
New in: Mistress of Mixtures 2x, Despicable Dreadlord 2x, Bloodreaver Gul'dan
It feels stronger this way. The Mistresses can keep your life up early while Guldan helps you later. Enjoy!
############### EDIT 2 ###############
I switched another card:
out: 2x Usher of Souls
in: Mindbreaker, Skulking Geist
why? I like mindbreaker. I think you can put in there anything that helps you either against aggro or Anduin. In my opinion the deck is really stron against aggro with a reasonable hand. And what is there to lose from Skulking Geist? We don't play 1 cost spells, so we only win.
Thanks a lot for all the good feedback!
Edit: This is my updated deck in wild. It's still strong, it's still fun and there is cooler demons in it. Try it out!
With the current aggro, playing a control warlock without 2 cost cards (Defiles/Drain Soul/Thalnos/Zealot) and skulking geist is pretty hard.
Also, 2 Hellfire+2Abyssal = 12 dmg to your face, that you really do not want in this meta that is BrainDead Aggro decks.
You need those board clears and shitty 1cost spell remover (cold blood, jade idol, evolve, soul fire) to survive to cast your Cthun.
If you clear the board as intended, no need for MCtech.
Mind breaker is only good against RazakusPriest and it still is vulnerable to his removal (horror, pain, madness).
Siphon soul already does black knights job, another twisting nether would be better to clear the entire board.
So, my suggestions are =
Out with Keleseth, 1 hellfire, mct, MindB, Black Knight and 1 abyssal;
In with 2 defiles, Thalnos(also card draw), Stonehill defender (extra 2 taunts, that can be CTHUN themed too), another Nether and 1 Skulking Geist (srsly how can you skip Skulking vs this meta as a ctrl deck)
Trying this deck as we speak, will update in like 50 games.
Youre right about mctech and mindbreaker for me the 2nd one works pretty well as i face a lot of priest. Im not facing too many blind aggro decks so the hellfires feel strong. Anyway my deck is stronger with despicable dreadlords and guldan, if you find space for them (apothecary/alex) switch them in
Thanks for the feedback
Update : after 37 games I finally cracked, won about 9 of them (I'm at rank 10 and have been playing ctrl warlock non-stop for 3 months now) this deck can't deal that good with competitive decks(both aggro and especially control) unless very lucky.
It has some nice moments , like clearing a board with defile while both your crazed worshipers are up and buffing C'thun +12 etc.
I enjoyed some of the losses too, especially everyone spamming "wow" emote when they saw Cthun and not expecting the +14 heal from the Cult, or the Emperors etc. people have forgotten those cards existed.
I see you've made some changes, was thinking of adding Bloodreaver too, for the extra survivability, might give it a try after I relax with my CTRL lock for a bit XD.
Gonna give mindbreaker a try too, and may I suggest a Secret Eater, some mages escaped death and got their Exodia Combo off strictly via Ice Block.
First of all: Thanks for giving the deck a real spin, and i also absolutely love it when the opponent starts to realize their against a c'thun deck.
I stick to keleseth a bit more as i still feel the deck is stronger that way, but [car]Secret Eater[/card] and Skulking Geist are really strong changes i might try out.
As im below 10 so far, i dont feel its too necessairy but Switching out TBK for one of these is always a possibility and if you need both of them i would switch out 1 Usher of Souls as it sometimes feels very weak.
Alright thanks again!
I made the deck and lost 5 in a row. Doesn't work for me.
Try switching the apothecarys and alex with two dreadlords and guldan. It feels stronger that way (suggested in the comments)
would cost me 6k dust to craft this, not sure if I can justify spending so much on old gods cards at this point.
would seriously recommend this deck to anyone who already has the cards though
I tried to make a cheaper Decklist, I mostly just replaced the legendaries, but if you have some of them, they really help
here the list:
If its just some legendaries missing you can also replace: Alexstrasza with Lord Jaraxxus or The Black Knight with Big Game Hunter.
Also withouth Prince Keleseth you can put in Golakka Crawler! This way you can snowball all the stupid pirate decks out there if you draw right
Hope i could help!
thanks. I have keleseth so would be using that. going to give this a go soon.
Try switching the apothecarys and alex with two dreadlords and guldan. It feels stronger that way (suggested in the comments)
there is a much cheaper version of this deck that works great as well for anyone wanting to do this without spending too much dust. it is called "zoo'thun" I think.
Seems that great minds think alike! I've been refining a C'Thunlock for the past couple days as well, and it's working wonders. Mine's a bit more inspired by zoo though. It's still a work in progress as well, but here's the current list:
Out the gate it looks like standard zoo, so people start burning their removal on Tar Creeper and Despicable Dreadlord. But between C'Thun and Bloodreaver Gul'dan, the deck's real goal isn't to zerg the opponent down (although it's certainly capable of that on occasion with an early Prince Keleseth), but to stall for time and end with the big guys.
While there are fundamental differences, I'm seeing some good ideas from your list that I might try. Spellbreaker and Alexstrasza would certainly come in handy often, and Mindbreaker might just save me from my only truly bad matchup, the Priest Deck Which Must Not Be Named.
As for suggestions, I highly recommend finding a place for a pair of Despicable Dreadlords and Bloodreaver Gul'dan and giving it a spin. It might be different in your list, but in mine it's been a really solid package that has saved me from a lot of losses. Definitely worth trying.
Anyway, cool looking deck! I'll be trying it out soon, and trying some changes to mine as well. Thanks!
Finally another apostel!
I thought about Bloodreaver Gul'dan but never tried it out. I thought it could be too slow, as the deck has already not enough tempo, but I will definitively try it out. I was thinking of replacing Cult Apothecary with Despicable Dreadlord and I would need to find a spot for Bloodreaver Gul'dan.
Hope you enjoyed the deck!