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I mean... Sire Denathrius has been a problematic card for past four months...

Quote from FortyDust >>

They nerf a problem card three days after release, something that has never happened in the history of the game, and you're still complaining. Wow.

 Nerfing a card indicates a mistake.  If they had made no mistakes, there wouldn't be any nerfs necessary at all.  Nerfing a card 3 days after an expansion launches means you KNOW it was a mistake, yet released it anyways.

Denathrius, meanwhile had been a problem for 3 days and 120 more days.

Your dislike of a card does not mean it's broken. Whether you agree with it or not, Denathrius was working as intended until now. It became a problem when DK was added because that class gets built-in synergy with Infuse.

What's truly embarrassing for you is that you seem to hate the game (and the company that makes it) with a seething passion, yet you continue to play it.

Yeah, it had an insane inclusion rate, forced inclusion of Theotar into almost every deck to counter it (a card you thought didn't need to be nerfed which has been nerfed over and over and still remains toxic to the game), has shaped the meta for months, but it was just fine.  Until just now.

This logic is so bad.  It also follows from this garbage logic that shockspitter was fine until just a bit ago as well, despite anyone with basic card game skills knowing how busted it would have been before release (which you can see in the announce thread of the card).

What's truly embarrassing is always defending the decisions of a company, even when they clearly are making mistakes.

I said "working as intended," not "well designed" or "good for the game." I actually dislike the card, but not enough to insist that it be removed. There were always decks that were far more problematic than the ones that used Denathrius.

My point was that the design team apparently liked the card enough to give it its full four months of play time, which is completely fair, given that so many people clearly enjoyed using it. And given the timing, it's pretty obvious that they were planning to nerf it soon after the launch of this expansion. A better decision (in my opinion) would have been to nerf it as the expansion went live, but this is close enough.

And for the record, I do not defend Blizzard's decisions. I explain them. There have been plenty of times I've disagreed with things they've done (like Denathrius and Theotar), but that doesn't make me hate them or call them incompetent, because I'm not a six-year-old. When the game they want to make doesn't suit my taste, I take a break for a few months, no hard feelings.

Are you on the design team?  Oh, then you don't actually know what you're explaining, now do you?  You're just coming up with some justification that never seems to be "we screwed up" which is super convenient for someone you're never defending!  There surely must be another reason for the revolving door of people in charge of the game.

Obviously no one is infallible, but the turnover rate of the design team is not abnormal, so implying that people are getting fired for things like Denathrius is a huge stretch. As someone who is familiar with your opinions and design philosophy (and temperament), I feel certain you would do a far, far worse job of managing the game, so glass houses and all that.

Quote from SacredWar_Z_V_O >>

Wild chads :  dont ever complain, uses any cards, have fun, say well played when OTK'D

Standard virgins : cry every 2 weeks for nerf, ragequits when OTK'D, watches streamers instead of playing

 

 Wild players are so "have fun" that for some reason everyone is spamming the most turbo version of discolock to climb faster, crazy right?

The nerf makes hunter deck totally unplayable. Killing your opponent by turn 7 before and turn 9-10 now is too huge of a difference. Denatrius change is bad only for all other classes but druid. Druid doesnt care, he plays it with brann anyway

an otk wich makes the combo at turn 10 is wrong, at turn 7 was bullshit, it was a race to be able to kill him first and that was stupid, the nerf is good. 

thanks for the dust from extra shock beast

deck will still be playable, if necessary either remove Brann from standard or give shockspitter the pen flinger treatment

and I hope Denatrius being slowed enough with this nerf, I like the card but not to play against

It will be enough for a lot of decks, not every deck tho. But if everything go as i expected the nerf for Druid is gonna be huge in the real balance patch.

Quote from parishbishop >>

I dont think changing Shockspitter from 2, to 3 mana will impact that much. The combo and bounce back effects are all still there. 

Denarius nerf is a good start, but still broken. I think they should cap it at 15 dmg with Lifesteal. Thats still 30 with Brann for Druid. 

 Why would you make a nerf that literally makes the card worse for everyone else but Druid?

Blizzard still fails to address the polarizing issue that creates frustrating problematic metas which is mana cheat. In particular discard Warlock and Guff for Druid. It's out of control. Mana cheat needs to be kept in check.

Draw, discover, and discount has been spewed onto almost every played card.

yup, enjoy the dust

You can't refund Denathrius.  You won't be enjoying much dust.

Quote from Cyr >>

Wild is irrelevant and should never be taken into consideration when making balance adjustments. Stay mad.

Ah, the average HearthPwn take. Enjoy playing Standard where you... die in one turn? Wait, that sounds a lot like Wild. Somehow one is better than the other in your head.

Only difference is Denathrius and Shockspitter are balanced in Wild when it comes to OTK, which is why the nerfs should've only affected Standard.

Well, Wild was created for a reason. Most of all, Team 5 wanted more design space, without having to bother with cards from previous expansions (you know, broken synergies, uninteractive OTK combos, etc.). Another, and perhaps even more important, reason is that Blizzard didn't want to say "Hey guys, remember all those cards you bought with real money? Funny story, you don't have them anymore...". That's why they needed a mode where your cards still exist... but don't matter to the game's balance. With that in mind, what would be the point if Team 5 still had to worry about the Wild cards during standard balancing?

I dont think changing Shockspitter from 2, to 3 mana will impact that much. The combo and bounce back effects are all still there. 

Denarius nerf is a good start, but still broken. I think they should cap it at 15 dmg with Lifesteal. Thats still 30 with Brann for Druid.