Old Ysera's Card Pool Changes Coming Soon - With Dust Refund
Today, we'll look at what will change in the old Ysera's card pool. You'll be able to get a full dust refund when the core set launches.
Quote from Alec DawsonThere will be a refund for the old Ysera since her Dream cards have changed.
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Mega F for 2 of the stupidest most undeserved nerfs I've seen since rito nerfed Camille's and Kayle's lategame instead of their earlygame in LoL.
Dream can't sap your own minions and awakens going to 3 mana...dream could have EASILY stayed a neutral shadowstep as well by just adding "exept Ysera" to the text MAYBE the mana cost increase is KIND OF ok but limiting it to enemy minions is just stupid and Awakens is just a mana cost increase because fk you no reason, just making it worse, the fact that it no longer goes face is the only good part of that change.
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to the downvoters: usually expressing your disagreement with words is the way you prove someone wrong and the fact that you are unable to do that Just solidifies my point
Look at this situation like this: there is this new card, Ysera the dreamer, which adds some unique 5 cards to your hand. If those cars were to good, the card would be op, therfore they need to be balanced.
The change isn't about nerfing the dream cards, but about making new Ysera balanced, as dream cards weren't originally designed to be received 5 at once. I see your point about 'dream', as the change makes the card less interesting, but I also acknowledge that Ysera the dreamer will probably be widely played anyway and the changes were necessary to make her balanced. Old Ysera would not see any play after her new version is out, so here nerfing dream cards doesn't really matter and they won't be nerfed in classic mode, where old Ysera will probably show up.
I know new Ysera is likely quite strong however there still was no reason to make Dream less versatile and Awakens less valuable, i am happy about the new Ysera's design I just wanted her to be more fun than what she is with these changes (also with the bounce effect being 1 mana and "exept Ysera" there are no OP shenanigans to be found while Awakens is just a mana cost nerf for the fk of it)
thx for being an actual person and giving arguments to discuss :)
If they let you bounce your minions back with Dream, you could bounce back Ysera itself. Making it read "except Ysera" would be a solution, but they probably didn't like it, my guess would be that your solution kind of goes against the lore aspect of the card. It is an Ysera's Dream, it should be able to have a positive interaction with it. It's just a way to look at it. The Awakens' mana nerf is weird, I agree with you on that, as not hitting face was enough imo. Probably they didn't like the fact that you would get it at 2 mana with all the other options, discounting to 2 the 3/5 minion. Not strictly the best course of action, but an acceptable one.
The reason is because you are now guaranteed to get 5 cards off of her, my guy.
Dream could afford to be that strong before because it might be the only card you get off her before she dies.
Compare her to Lightforged Crusader. LF generates 5 random cards, has 14 total stats, and is a staple at 7 mana. Ysera generates 5 set cards that are all powerful for their cost, has 16 total stats, and costs 2 mana more.
If you think new Ysera is bad, then you should also be calling Lightforged Crusader bad.
The point is that when you drop Ysera on turn 9, you are guaranteed to have a full Turn 10 of:
Board clear
Bounce anything that survives
8 to face if you want
Drop a 3/5 untargetable and a 7/6
I'd say a card that virtually guarantees you board control the turn after you play it is a pretty damn good card
I don't really see lore problems with "exept Ysera" expecially since it can't target her regardeless now
As you said "not strictly the best course of action, but an acceptable one" and I am inclined to agree, I wrote my post since a better course of action seemed quite obvious and the fact that they didn't take it when "updating" one of my favourite cards rubbed me the wrong way
The Core Set is not permanent and not available in all modes. Sure, if you only play modes with the Core Set, then fresh accounts don’t have to open hundreds of pack to get started, but they will still lack any expansion that that is part of that mode. New accounts just have an easier start in some modes.
Since you didn’t lose any card, there is no dust refund - but you can go ahead and dust everything from the Classic Set, IF you never intend to play any other mode. (And best to wait until after the rotation, there is no downside.)
Thank you random person on the internet.Now i get the point.Have a good day :)
So many randoms explain the same shit, but I don't think they ever achieved the cards by money or time anyway. Many of them just play same deck for a year or just log play a game and get out. Other are horrible players that never reach at least dumpster diamond 10 or 5 each month. So, why bother in explain something that not even "you random" know about?
Do u know the feel in lose hours and money to gather this collection?
Nobody really sees how weird and wrong is that?
Why don't we get dust refunds like hall of fame for all the classic set? We payed with money or with our time to get them.Now every fresh account will have everything we worked for years.Shouldn't veteran players get a compensation for this?
The point of core set is to close the gap between new players and veteran players, not widen it.
Same reason we don't get dust refunds for standard sets which rotate out of Standard format.
Does anyone have any ideas as to why they aren’t letting Oldsera keep her old dream cards?
My guesses are: New card that triggers end of turn effects when they are played sometime this year, or just to make it equal in both modes for confusion’s sake.
Probably a bit of code cleanup with the new one, IMO. Simpler to have one pool of dream cards. In addition, you know, nobody actually plays old Ysera, so minor impact :P
They'd have to create an entirely new set of cards to do that, which would mean changing the names, art, everything. You can't have two cards in the game with the same name or you start running into problems.
Just make OG Ysers 8 mana
So if we make now golden we get her for free right ? (because dust refund) ?
no. it will just be a refund like any other nerf, not hall of fame.
The new Ysera is going to be in every control deck. 5 cards generated, including a 1 mana sap is just too good.
control decks don't give a shit about a 1 mana sap on turn 10, they already have plenty of removal. it also depends how the new ysera adds cards to hand. it's very unusual to have hand space to add 5 cards so you will burn some of them and possibly cards from your own deck from overdraw.