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How this was ever allowed in the live game to begin with I have no idea.  This should have been fixed the moment people figured out you could chain Primordial Glyphs.

And yet this is a nerf to a bunch of cards, why no dust refunds though?

Because it's not a nerf, it's a change to how a mechanic works. We never get a refund in that case, which makes sense, it's not a targeted change to a card, but a large-scale change to the game.

And do you really expect them to give you a refund for the 17 cards that can discover themselves? That's thousands of dust. And that's just in standard  There are also 10  wild sets that feature the discover mechanic.

That's obviously not going to happen. So the only other options were to either keep things as they were, in their suboptimal state, or to change them the way they did.

Which would you prefer?

It's absolutely a nerf, which is why they're making the change.  They explicitly gave refunds when they changed Alexstraza to not do this, because it was a nerf then, as it's a nerf now.

And yes, I really expect them to give refunds for every card they nerf.  It's a greedy disgrace to do otherwise.

Elder Scrolls Legends did a full dust refund for every card that carried a specific keyword when they nerfed an entire mechanic.  Other companies are not as pathetic.  It's funny that you know Activision treats their users so poorly when you know it's "obviously not going to happen"

Ah yes, it's a nerf when it's one card, but when many cards are nerfed suddenly it's not a nerf - it's a "balance change!" (A balance change that makes things weaker is known as a nerf) 

Yeah, *I'm* the idiot.  Hahahahhahaa what a clown comment.

ESL was hailed far and wide for what they did at the time.  Besides ESL rewards were always multiple factors better than Hearthstone to begin with, which is why no one was "arguing for lower prices or better rewards" - they already lived in a world where the game wasn't greedy as hell.  Laughable you're trying to argue that greed is better here.

You also don't seem to even know what ESL is, because the game has already been shuttered, and it had nothing to do with nerf refunds.

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Ah yes, it's a nerf when it's one card, but when many cards are nerfed suddenly it's not a nerf - it's a "balance change!" (A balance change that makes things weaker is known as a nerf) 

Yeah, *I'm* the idiot. 

 Precisely. You are, if you don't understand the difference.

But fine, let me give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're just slow and not an idiot. I'm magnanimous that way. 

Let's say you have a Formula race. Every car has the same engine, with a max speed of 400 km/h. Now you decide that 400 km/h is too dangerous, so you limit it to 350 km/h instead. Every car now has a engine block to not allow speeds over 350 km/h. Everything is still fair, yes? Can you really not see the difference between this and deciding that just one car is no longer allowed a speed over 350 km/h while the others still go the full 400 km/h?

If you can't grasp this, I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

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ESL rewards were always multiple factors better than Hearthstone to begin with, which is why no one was "arguing for lower prices or better rewards" - they already lived in a world where the game wasn't greedy as hell.  Laughable you're trying to argue that greed is better here.

You also don't seem to even know what ESL is, because the game has already been shuttered, and it had nothing to do with nerf refunds.

ESL was hailed far and wide and yet sunk like the Titanic. You know why? They praised it because people love to praise empty gestures, and it failed because they were just that, empty gestures of clueless developers. And besides... a game fails catastrophically within a month of release... and you're telling me that's an example of good development? Okay mate, you're hilarious, did you consider a standup comic career? They made such great development choices that the game ended development just two years after release. Brilliant. The Hearthstone team should learn from them.

I wasn't aware that the game fully shut down, because I frankly haven't cared about it since a few months after release when I saw that the developers had no idea what they were doing and realized the game would probably never feel good.

No, I understand there is no difference.  You have patently failed to detail that there is one, because there is not.  Pathetic insults won't change reality that it's a nerf to numerous cards and Blizzard knows it.  Your nonsensical example about cars is baffling and would only make any kind of sense if every card in Hearthstone was a Discover card.  But they're not, obviously.  Oh wait, I'm "slow" so I guess nonsensical metaphors about nonsense must have some deeper meaning.

You obviously know nothing about ESL so it's unsurprising you're rather clueless about this whole thing.  You had no idea what I was talking about with the Invade refund, and didn't even bother to look it up.  Arguing without a full deck seems to be your specialty.

Fair, I think there's not much more to be said, my apologies for escalating it too far in the first place.

How long Alexstraza have been in the game generating herself? She took 2 nerfs in the process. Way to go, blizzard.

I have no idea what you're trying to say. Alexstrazsa has been changed to be unable to generate herself after about a month of being in the game. Now every other card that could generate itself has been changed in the same way. What's the problem? Are you just looking for something to complain about?

THIS BEAST CAN NOT BE CONTAINED.

THIS BEAST CAN NOT BE CONTAINED.

Actually it's: This Beast will not be tamed.

I used to have a deck that just did that lol

About time!!! They should have made this a sweeping change when they applied it to DQ Alex. Now they just need to clean up the AMOUNT and VARIANCE of card generation effects and we can go back to actually playing HS again.

I am beyond happy to see Renew stop chaining off of its' damn self over, and over, and over.

Finally!!!Thank you very much blizzard!!!

Does this affect battlegrounds also? Primalfin into primalfin especially with a golden Bran is not uncommon now.

I have never once discovered a primalfin off a primalfin in battlegrounds, was that actually something you could do? I thought they didn't allow it since it would break the economy.