UPDATE
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Quote from @PlayHearthstoneThank you for your feedback regarding our recent update. We saw a lot of feedback regarding the recent change to Tess Greymane and are currently discussing this change further. We will provide an update once we have more information to share.
Tess Greymane is Not Disenchantable for Full Value, Clearly a Mistake, Right?
Sigh. We had an amazing Hearthstone patch earlier today which gave us new Arena cards, plenty of bug fixes, and a new upcoming event that's going to give us a ton of dust and gold, but Blizzard really dropped the ball on Tess Greymane.
As you may be aware by now, Tess Greymane was changed in today's patch with the following adjustments.
- Tess will now replay hero cards with her Battlecry.
- Tess’s Battlecry is now limited to 30 cards, and will stop if she is silenced, killed, transformed, leaves the battlefield, or if any hero dies.
Do these changes ring a bell? It sure sounds like the nerfs we saw back in late 2016 to our favourite cuddly old god, Yogg-Saron, Hope's End.
- Yogg-Saron, Hope’s End now stops casting spells when it leaves the battlefield or is silenced.
The Change is the Same!
It should be painfully obvious at this point that these two changes are the same only we ended up getting a nice refund for Yogg if you wanted to partake in the disenchantment of our tentacled friend. Why is this different this time around? So far, Blizzard has not made a statement on the, very clear, nerf to the card and we're not sure if they are even going to.
One thing we can say for certain though is Mike Donais admitted Tess would work like pre-nerf Yogg when she was originally revealed. That right there admits their original intentions and they're now backing down on them.
Quote from Mike DonaisDoes Tess Greymane work like pre-nerf Yogg or post-nerf ?
Pre-nerf Yogg currently.
More Bologna
I wasn't letting them off that easy though. It still makes me, and plenty of you, sad that Blizzard refused to give us a dust refund for changing how Shudderwock worked. Although it was without a doubt a necessary change to preserve some sanity, many players crafted the legendary with the assumption it would go on forever. If people are wasting their expensive dust on a card, they should expect it to behave the original way. This is the whole reason why Blizzard does dust refunds in the first place - you can do cool stuff like that in a digital game.
We also need to bring up Lynessa Sunsorrow who received a major change in the patch which also is a total nerf. Previously, the buffs she received would come in the order you played them in, allowing skilled players to get crazy amounts of value out of her. Now everything is going to come down in a random order which could very easily turn out not at all in your favour. Oops. Another huge change to a card that wasn't properly handled.
While we're here, let's also go back to early 2016 when Mekgineer Thermaplugg's token, Leper Gnome, received a hit from the nerf bat. When a card calls out another exact minion or spell, and they change that card, it is a fundamental change which should have also qualified the card which spawns it a dust refund. This is different from random effects though, those pools should not move down the card chain.
But don't worry, they're giving us discounts on a pack bundle so we don't need that dust, just toss 'em some dollars!
Moving On
If they want to make this a thing going forward, that's fine, but cards need to have these same rules in place before they get released to the masses. Limit "stupid" combos to 30 maximum card plays, make things random if you're afraid of an effect. Most importantly though, give people refunds if you screwed up. Changing the card already admits you made a mistake with the original design of the card, now players need to be reimbursed for that.
Sincerely, one frustrated Hearthstone player to another.
Should Tess Greymane be Disenchantable for Full Dust Value?
Tell us what you think. Answer our poll below and leave a comment if you want to tell us more.
The things that annoys me the most are the lack of answers from them and the fact that they tried to hide it. It's obvious that the community is feeling angry because of this, give the people some answers!
My guess is this change was implemented because they have more cards that do similar things planned for future releases, and they wanted to get ahead of things and avoid confusion/have consistency.
As someone who has played Tess Rogue almost daily since its release and played a lot of Tess Rogue yesterday after the patch, this doesn't really affect Tess in any meaningful way. My games yesterday were untouched. Unlike Yogg, you have complete control over the Tess cardpool.
I guess they figure that adding the Hero cards to her Battlecry is compensation for the Yogg treatment, not that I'm defending them in ANY way.
There is no excuse for Lynessa or Shudderwock though.
It's pretty frustrating for me since I just crafted Tess about 2 weeks ago, although I wouldn't have dusted her for a full refund anyway. She will always be a fun and interesting card, much like Yogg who I didn't dust for refund either (and still use pretty frequently). I definitely understand the indignant response from the community though, this is a blatant oversight by Blizzard.
I hope you´re right. So Tess could maybe be playable in the future and not just as a fundeck.
I´ve really tried a few decks with her, but I just don´t like this burglething because of the randomness. I got cards from the burgle cards I just can´t use in anyway that often cause they need another card to be playable. And if they were good they couldn´t be replayed from Tess because of the battlecry most of time. Just the bodies which are often bad without the battlecry. Not funny for me to play. Would be better if we would get some more cards with discovereffects.
This, 100%.
Someone needs to organize this mob and get everyone to chant "Full Dust, Full Dust."
Forget a refund, this stupid change should have never been made in the first place! Which genius thought it would be a good idea to nerf mostly seen in wild, low windrate, mediocre fun card? I want to shake this guy's hand and personally explain him why this is bullshit idea.
Yeah if Tess was changed the exact same way Yogg was changed I don't see how this isn't a nerf. I guess Blizzard just hoped no one would notice or mind. They don't know their own community very well if they were hoping that.
It is a nerf:
(lowercase) Slang. (in a video game) to reconfigure (an existing character or weapon), making it less powerful: The game development team nerfed several guns in the recent update.
Tess Greymane is less powerful if she can silence herself during the battlecry. It is factually a nerf, and nerfs get full dust refund. I don't see how it can be justified as any different in this case. Lynessa Sunsorrow is arguable, but still, it's a detrimental change to a deck built around it, with plays intended to maximise the value of the card. Both should have full dust refunds.
I don't agree with your logic. While what you suggest would be the more generous way to resolve nerfs, I don't feel like the current system is unfair or "making" the player do anything. It's exactly fair: the card is no longer what you expected when you crafted it, so you can "undo" it by disenchanting for full value if you don't like the new version. That's pretty fair!
But it is probably a discussion for another thread. :-)
Ur ahahas make u sound like u are some kind of superior paying customer being. While f2ps are whats wrong with hs. That said i did pack her and i agree with u that maybe those that crafted her should get refunded
The awkward moment when it points to my reddit post with rushed title spelling...
the question is:
what was wrong with tess & lynessa? and why they got nerfed?
the changes will improve rng effects in gameplay and this is bad
also DUST REFUND for BOTH of them is fair I think
I'd actually go one step further and say they need to just give us 1600 dust, hall of fame treatment, I don't really want to dust it as I didn't dust Yogg because you can still have fun with it.
I actually hate that "disenchant for full value" premise entirely....you made changes to a card to balance it, we crafted (or opened) it before balance was even discussed....give us the dust and the cards, don't make the player choose. this may be a debate for another thread.
This strikes me as a practicality fix, not a nerf.
That said, I can at least see the point on consistency. If we're going to move Tess to a pre-Yogg state and Yogg's change merited a full dust refund, I don't quite get Blizzard's rationale here.
you are not alone dude xD
Oh god, the last thing we need is an article catering to these people demanding free stuff.
It's done, no one cares, move on, please haha. The one piece of information that's kinda funny is that he did indeed say that Tess would be like pre-nerf Yogg at the start. Besides that, you can still control what she casts a hell of a lot more than what Yogg casts. It's not Tess' fault that the thief rogue archetype sucks haha.
Edit: I'd just like to add, that IF they were to give dust refunds for this, they should just give it to people who crafted her (not people like me who got her in a pack). I'm sure they have something in their all-powerful system that could track this haha.
i actually got her in a pack, but thats not the point, you cant put in a pach nerfs that everyone know is a nerf, and hope people does not care just because the card its relea far to be the impactful that was yogg. Now is Tess, but in the future if you let this pass it can happen with commons, rares, and epics where the "change" is a direct nerf to the card, and in those cases, I, as a person that could get the cards in a pack, or not , will claim for the option of full dust, or revert the card change, cause that is not the way to do the things.
I have a golden lynessa it would be awesome if they gave us the dust. Sadly, blizzard never listens to the players. You never know a week later they might take into consideration what we are talking about but then it's too late. Blizzard is not doing great over and over again when it comes to the community feedback. Billion dollar company acting like a small indie company. I guess it was better when bee brode was here, may be he kept them away from doing such unfair stuff.
Rant over
Then stop giving them money! If you criticize them and then pay them 100$ every expansion, they will keep disrespecting the players.
pretty much this ^ or run an add on reddit...they don't want to have problems like EA had