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For me, the main problem is that the game doesn't force an end turn the moment the time is actually up but waits out all the animations. This makes it feel extremely unfair and annoying, simular to (but usually way longer animations, so way worse than) exodia mage. A timer-rope should be reliable, not open for interpretation, which is how this feels now.

Also that's just super-unfair towards other OTK-decks. If I'm playing a Malygos Druid and I fail to whip up my entire combo from hand, being (for whatever reason) just a second to late on dropping that last moonfire, I lose the game... Maybe a better example is miracle rogue (because here it actually happens quite a lot that you rope out in a gadgetzan cycle turn), If I can't cycle all my cheap spells into a win condition it's game over. The clock here is an actual balancing tool keeping the decks in check. That's how it should be for Shudderwock too. This would make the combo quite random in terms of succes, which would be very fitting for the card. It would NOT however, make it by any means weak.

It's 3 days in (I think) and I'm already sick of this meta. I don't see why Blizzard would lock the monster hunt away for two weeks until most of the hype has worn down. Imo that that would be far more enjoyable then ladder right now.

Shudderwock isn't a bad card. Its quite strong, but yeah something needs to be done about that animation! And also encountered a weird bug where my 8/3 rush divine shield minion became a 0/0 in my hand and died when I played it. 0.o I think it has a buggy interaction with the minion that makes end of turn effects happen twice. :P

I hate Shudderwock so far.  Playing against the deck is usually a cakewalk where they do practically nothing and you stomp them, but if they get the upper hand somehow either by luck or by you playing a weak deck then boy is it excruciating.  I only like 10+ minute games when It's control vs. control.

I don't think the deck is op, but I wouldn't mind seeing it go!

The problem is cube warlock, not shaman
1)We have warlock with 3-9 taunt on turn 5, or 5 doomguards on turn 6 (wr 64%)
2)We have paladin with full board on turn 3 (wr 64%)
3)We have new face hunt and no good neutral heal 
Why deck with terrible wr, that need 4 cards to win is a problem, when we have such decks as above?
Statictic: Shaman is the worst class of the expansion
Stop this flame pls 

1 - skip animations, have there effect occur instantly. show order in the history sidebar

2 - No. the combo isnt the problem. If it becomes a problem this would be the best way to kill it. "Battlecry: summon another saronite chain gang. It gains all effects on this card."

3 - If the deck end up more refined with a high win rate, then i'd approve. Forces needing fireplume to complete to combo. hence harder to pull off

4 - Shudderwock existing means future design choices are limited. the current combo isnt broken, but in the future it may be. Upon such happening then we should revisit nerfing him.

BLizzard has mentioned putting certain cards into the classics set, I think we should bring back dirty rat into the classic set to help counter otk decks, although then shudderwock would just build a deck that used dirty rat to play all the cards in their opponents hand then murders them so idk

Quote from EvansXFalls >>

Since that`s the topic of the week, let me add to it:

OTKs deck shouldnt be here - is that not what Blizz said, after nerfing Raza, and banishing Ice Block, thus shutting down Exodia-Freeze mage decks?

I dont agree. I just want tools added against them. Playing aggro to counter them is not an answer, or, at least, shouldn`t be the ONLY answer.
Also, I want the OTK setup and the deck built around it, to be skill based - not simply play draw, play AoE, play heal, drop the combo, win.
Imagine it like this...
Quest: If it`s turn 10 or later, win the game. Is it broken?
             If it`s turn 15 or later, win the game. Now?
             If you are in fatigue, win the game. Now?
The answer is Yes, yes, and yes. Why? Because all you have to do is survive. You don`t care for an elaborate win condition, for value, and you WON`T get countered.

Finally, let me say one last thing...

Yo, HS players. Are you all such pathetic little humanoids, that the first thing you do when a new expansion launches, is net deck an aggro or otherwise cancerous piece of shit list? FIRST CUCKING THING?

My love to all. :)

Quote from EvansXFalls >>

Since that`s the topic of the week, let me add to it:

OTKs deck shouldnt be here - is that not what Blizz said, after nerfing Raza, and banishing Ice Block, thus shutting down Exodia-Freeze mage decks?

I dont agree. I just want tools added against them. Playing aggro to counter them is not an answer, or, at least, shouldn`t be the ONLY answer.
Also, I want the OTK setup and the deck built around it, to be skill based - not simply play draw, play AoE, play heal, drop the combo, win.
Imagine it like this...
Quest: If it`s turn 10 or later, win the game. Is it broken?
             If it`s turn 15 or later, win the game. Now?
             If you are in fatigue, win the game. Now?
The answer is Yes, yes, and yes. Why? Because all you have to do is survive. You don`t care for an elaborate win condition, for value, and you WON`T get countered.

Finally, let me say one last thing...

Yo, HS players. Are you all such pathetic little humanoids, that the first thing you do when a new expansion launches, is net deck an aggro or otherwise cancerous piece of shit list? FIRST CUCKING THING?

My love to all. :)

hurr durr ...how about you get some arguments first instead of opting for an ad hominem?

While the deck is strong, I find that it is perfectly beatable. If any deck is a problem, it would be Cubelock. I doubt Blizzard would be happy about a deck dominating for 2 formats in a row.

Quote from timetoduel >>

You know, I understand where you're coming from. If you look at win percentages, this deck probably is not doing all too hot due to aggro decks keeping it in check. The problem with that is not being "strong"; to me as a 100% control player it feels like I'm queuing into an auto-loss unless I can just manage to aggro them down before they draw their combo, which essentially comes down to luck. That feels like a problem to me, not because it's too strong, but because it is unhealthy for the game. It's not fun to play against, because it is not interactive. It promotes aggro decks and the animation is excruciatingly long. 

If they don't nerf it, I feel like they should at least give us tools to combat OTK strategies. Right now there aren't any, because it's centred around battlecries. If it were a deathrattle, you could play silence and you wouldn't be mad if you lost. Just like playing against Exodia Mage, previously you had Dirty Rat to counter them. I saw someone saying adding Dirty Rat to classic would be a good idea. That solution definitely also needs to be neutral; yes warlocks can combat them with Rin, Gnomeferatu or Howlfiend + Treachery, but all other classes have a difficult time playing control, e.g. Control Paladin or Warrior.

With regard to Cubelock, I agree changes should have been made; I think everyone could see that it was still going to be top tier when the cards were revealed. 

Finally an official statement. "Wait for the meta to settle you whining babies" people still here?

The fuck is wrong with you ppl? "The deck is bad just fix animation." Are u fucking serious? Have you even played against the decent Shudderwock deck or did u just fucking face some garbage decks that included this card on ranks 20+? Have you even played this game after expansion? For fuck sake. This card is more then problematic. And it's definitly worse than exodia mage for a few reasons. First of all exodia mage needs to finish the quest which takes time and more importantly takes specific cards included. And finally exodia mage needs to collect 6 pices and play it together in single turn. That means exodia mage will  need to draw at least 90% of his deck most of the times to actually play its combo. That gives the time for aggro decks to kill him. Exodia mage was definitly problematic anyway becouse of it's freeze mechanic which is uninteractive and combo itself sharing the same problem. Shudderwock though is much fucking worse becouse u dont need to build ur deck around specific cards so except like 6 neccesery cards u can put in solid defense cards that crashes aggro. Also you don't need to hold your combo pices, you just play them right u draw them (exept shudderwock itself ofc). And then there is that no fucking counter to deck. And you can do nothing to actually stop him. Not even dirty rat since it rotated out. It's not metter of "if shudderwock deck will defeat me" but rather "how fust Shudderwock will defeat me" most of the times which drove me crazy and made me just play wild decks instead of exploring standard becouse every secound deck is that broken shudderwock.

Aggro/mid decks destroy this deck, which has <50% winrate on HSReplay. It's only remotely good against control decks.

Hello :) Excuse my poor English

I totally agree with you, for me, the only way I found to counter Shudderwock deck is to play a mill warlock with treachery plus howlfiend in to defile combo.
But you have to renounce to some cards and is very hard to play against other decks.
I do very good against spiteful priest likely decks and tempo / control decks.
But aggro destroy me, I think it can't be helped. :)

This is what I play, and I like this more than cubelock :)
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# Class: Warlock
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Raven
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# 2x (1) Dark Pact
# 1x (1) Kobold Librarian
# 1x (1) Mortal Coil
# 1x (2) Baleful Banker
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# 2x (2) Defile
# 2x (2) Doomsayer
# 2x (2) Gnomeferatu
# 1x (2) Tainted Zealot
# 1x (3) Howlfiend
# 1x (3) Sense Demons
# 2x (3) Treachery
# 1x (3) Void Ripper
# 2x (4) Hellfire
# 2x (4) Lesser Amethyst Spellstone
# 1x (6) Glinda Crowskin
# 1x (6) Rin, the First Disciple
# 1x (7) Lord Godfrey
# 2x (8) Twisting Nether
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone[/deck]

I really don't get the hate on OTK decks.

They're just decks with a fancier, stronger win condition than others, which takes way longer to set up than just "play a really big minion on curve" and therefore weak against aggro/mid decks.

I just think they make the game more fun, as opposed to arena in which you generally just have to play strong minions on curve in order to win.

I play constructed for a reason.

„Replay every Battlecry again (targets chosen randomly“. But this time, if your Shudderwock dies, the battlecry will immediately stop and you will overload as you would play overload cards...Kappa

Tess has no animations, shudderwock has.

Tess play cards you got randomly, shudderwock plays cards that make you win... Just few, too EZ.

FWIW - HSReplays is tracking the deck with a 42% win-rate and 550,000 games played. Even and Odd Paladin are both over 62% and 300,000 games played.