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Competitive Tavern Brawls with Entry Fees Coming Soon!
A new Tavern Brawl type is coming soon titled Heroic Brawl which works a bit like arena except we're using constructed decks! You will need to pay an entry fee in order to play but you can earn some pretty awesome rewards.
- The entry fee is $9.99 USD or 1000 Gold.
- You will build a Standard deck using your own card collection. No changes once it is locked in!
- Your deck can be played up until you hit 12 wins or 3 losses. You will earn rewards based on your total wins.
- Rewards featured up to 50 packs for a run, multiple legendaries, and the usual gold + dust.
- The Heroic Brawl only lasts for the duration of a regular Tavern Brawl week!
- When this special mode is running, there will not be a regular Tavern Brawl.
- You can only run Heroic Brawl five times during the week.
Rewards
Clarifications
Quote from BlizzardThis brawl is pretty different. We want it to feel more like a tournament, and so the rewards are weighted heavily towards the high end of wins. The reward for 0 wins is a single pack. If this scares you, you may want to wait for next week's Brawl and just enjoy the fun on Twitch. :) (Ben Brode)The pack rewards are from the most recent expansion - so it would be Whispers of the Old Gods. The Legendaries are random. (Zeriyah)
The current limit is five runs. (Zeriyah)
Announcement Post
Quote from BlizzardReady for the ultimate competitive Tavern Brawl experience that will test Hearthstone’s best in an all-out battle for glory? If you think you’re up to the challenge, get your deck ready and dive into the fray, because Heroic Brawl is coming!
Heroic Brawl will challenge even Hearthstone’s most experienced players as they vie for glory and in-game rewards! Participants will create a Standard deck from their existing card pool and lock it in before their first Heroic Brawl match. No changes can be made to your Heroic Brawl deck once you’ve locked it in, so be sure to do a bit of testing before you finalize your deck.
Once you’ve locked in your Standard deck for Heroic Brawl, you’ll be pitted against other Heroic Brawlers in heated battle. Just like the Arena, you want to shoot for 12 wins to get the best rewards—but if you get three losses, you’re out!
For Hearthstone’s best brawlers, 50 packs, a heap of Gold, piles of Arcane Dust, and three golden Legendaries sit at the end of the 12-win rainbow. The rewards are significantly different than what you have come to expect in the Arena, and the more games you win, the better they get. Are you ready to take on the best and brightest of competitive Hearthstone?
Heroic Brawl is not for the faint of heart, and is a unique experience meant for the extremely competitive and experienced Hearthstone player. To speak more on Heroic Brawl and the philosophy behind it are two of Hearthstone’s game designers for Tavern Brawls, Dan Emmons and Pat Nagle.
Are you cracking your knuckles in anticipation yet? Here’s how you can participate!
Heroic Brawl lasts for only one normal Tavern Brawl week and has an entry fee of $9.99 USD or 1000 gold. You can participate in Heroic Brawl for a limited amount of completed runs. As mentioned above, Heroic Brawl rewards scale depending on how many wins you get, so be sure to do your best each run!
If you’re not ready to t Tavern Brawl week.
We hope that our Heroic Brawl scratches the competitive itch of the players looking for a high risk, high reward experience. Heroic Brawl is coming soon, so keep an eye out for updates.
We’re always looking to try new things in Hearthstone, so let us know what you think of Heroic Brawl on the official Hearthstone forums!
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)I'm not going to check the math, but i think this is spot on. Which means this is a huge negative ev play for the hefty majority.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)4 wins is your break even point if you spent the 1000 gold. For the 4 wins you also spent an additional 13gold that you have gotten from ladder normally. 1013 gold spent
5 packs = 500gold, minimum 190 gold, 190 dust = 4.75 packs (assuming 40 dust minimum) = 475gold~ == 1165 gold earned.
3 wins is 1010 spent and 820 earned.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)So for each 1000 gold spent expected prize is 710 gold. Blizzard is very generous :)
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Posted Oct 18, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)Dust is not 40 = 100 gold. 100 dust = 100 gold as that's the what an average pack will be, you don't just go here is the worst possible pack and multiple it over and over again.
It's actually 100 gold > 100 dust as you get 107 or something like that I forget the number, but 100 dust = 100 gold is generous, saying 40 dust = 100 gold is downright dishonest.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)OK I was not expecting a tournament mode like this, sounds challenging. But looking at the information, you will either have to pay or use 1000 gold just to enter.
Don't get me wrong the rewards you could get are amazing, but this is going to suck if you lost 3 games early on. I think if you can win 9 games, you will get a decent return on what you spend. However that's a lot easier said than done.
But even if you are not using real cash, a 1000 gold is a lot just to enter and not only that you have to complete the challenge in that week (maybe even just five days, like normal Tavern Brawl).
Then there is the other problem, if you can't get in, you have to skip that Tavern Brawl for that week because they don't have a free version of that week's brawl. I think some players wouldn't mind that if they could still get a free pack for that week, but completely shutting them out could annoy some. After all that's what I look forward to when Wednesday comes.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)It's the tournament mode we all wanted for years. Stop crying and be happy.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)Dude its not a tournament mode, its constructed arena.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)Speak for yourself. I didn't want this. I wanted a real tournament mode without such a high entrance fee.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)After reading a majority of these comments I come away with the feeling that 90% of you don't want to pay anything towards the game that you all play so much you are willing to comment on.
The analysis of the ROI really has to be looked at for what it is: HILARIOUS
Do people who go to the casino calculate ROI on the bingo cards they purchase or the rolls of quarters they put into the slot machine? The answer is NO. People gamble for many different reasons and one of them is because its FUN.
Most certainly people who value $10 more than the next person won't GAMBLE their money for a chance at a big payout. Companies are called many things but I don't get why they are called "greedy". Hearthstone does not force you to log into each day and spend money or gold, heck it doesn't even care if you play the game. No one form Blizzard is making you spend a dime. Blizzard exists as a company for one thing only and that is to make a PROFIT. Without a profit there is no company. You are free to not participate in this brawl and you are free to say anything you like but please think before you speak.
This brawl is something a person, like me, will play. $10 to me is not a lot of money and to tell you the truth doesn't even buy me lunch. I've played Hearthstone since beta and have an extensive golden collection. Every played legendary and every class legendary that is played and some that are not I have in gold. I don't play a deck for any class unless it is completely golden. I have won everything there is to win in the game. The game is based a lot on luck and some skill in the order you play your cards vs. the amount of mana you have to play them and whether your opponent has an answer to what you play, WE ALL KNOW THIS.
Iv'e sat at bars and enjoyed many a game of ship-captain-crew for $20 a round playing double in on aces. I've rolled for pots approaching $1000 before. I've lost a lost of money and I've won a lot of money but I had a blast doing it.
If i got 12 wins most likely the random legendaries i would get would be dust anyway. I'm not playing to win cards I'm playing because the gamble of it is fun. Giving someone a loss is hilarious! I wish we could have everyone on a cam just to see the salt flow when they lose...and this is for a petty $10 bucks. You do not want to see the salt from a guy who gust lost $480 on a dice roll.
Hearthstone and Blizzard are here to make money and that is all they are here for. Blizzard does not care if you can't afford $10 bucks. Those players are not supporting their game anyway. The people who are supporting their game are the people like me who have been blessed in life and have discretionary income they can spend on entertainment. Iv'e gotten hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of free packs of cards since I've been playing the game. I could buy $375 bucks worth of amazon coins right now if I so felt like it and spend it all on packs just to make golden cards. The people who don't like me because I can do this should really be thankful I do because nothing is FREE in life. All of the people who spend money on the game support it for all those who don't.
If you can't afford to play the brawl don't hate the company or the players who can. Be thankful they exist and concentrate on your own life and happiness instead of bashing a company who makes a game you decided to play.
I hope I get my 12 wins and some actual golden legendaries I don't have!
see you there!
Warnerve
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)How does your own ass smell?
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)"to tell you the truth doesn't even buy me lunch" -May I ask where do you live? Thats some expensive lunch.
PD: Beware with gambling, it's a downward spiral.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)To tell you the truth, in the US a common price for a burrito or a burger is around 10$ with tax. Get urself some french fries and soda and here you are 14$ per lunch. If you want to get a more decent lunch you need to pay even more.
The same story is in Europe.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)It is much better if each game is a result of better of 3 match with 10 sideboard cards.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)For new players or f2p players: Maybe you do not want to participate in this event, you don't have a big library of cards, and 1000 gold could be spent in guaranteed card packs for you (10 packs), if you choose not to participate in the event, you only lose 1 pack, that you would get from the free weekly brawl.
For veteran players and arena enthusiasts: You have a great collection of cards, you can build whatever deck you feel works in a tournament or you just like competing in tournaments, and 1000 gold is not a problem for you, because you don't spend gold with packs anymore. This event idea is made for you, you will have the excitement of participating in a really cool new mode where risk vs rewards is applied to the game.
For the future of the game: This is great, this is the first step towards building a tournament mode in the future, something that MANY players have wanted for so long now. Having this added as a brawl only for a week every month or every 2 months, who knows, the game designers will have a chance to see what works and what doesn't so that they can later introduce a decent tournament mode to the game. No one is forced to participate, and I don't think is is a way of Blizzard milking money out of players, because I feel that the majority of people will actually buy their "ticket" with in with game gold.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)I really don't understand why people are calling this "tournament mode"... It's nothing like a tournament. There's no ban, a deck can't be modified and if you encounter too many bad match up you're out so it just feels like a super glorified Arena Run with a constructed deck with a very high entry fee.
I would rather see a real Tournament mode (with bans and any other options from real tournaments already existing) than this travesty of gamble. That would really make anyone consider spending 1K Gold or 10$ to enter the competition. Right now it will only be used by pro or streamers to vary the content they are proposing to viewers. I guess that they weren't joking when they mentioned on some designer insight interview that they weren't actually working on a proper in game tournament mode...
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)You don't get to ban things in card game tournaments, sure you have a sideboard of cards you can switch out for, but yes, if you have too many bad matches you ARE out in a tournament.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)I guess you have never played in a Hearthstone tournament where you pick 4 classes and you can ban one from these 4 for your opponent and he does the same to you then competing for a BO3 matches... That's a kind of tournament worth called by that name, not some over expensive Standard only build your own deck Arena like this Heroic Brawl!
Bans on classes and the possibility to switch cards in and out of the decklists once you reach the final phases of the event are what bring real strategy to the game, not just hoping you're gonna queue against your most favorite match up or simply do better at drawing key cards in the mirror match.
It's simply a Contructed Arena when you think about it.
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Posted Oct 17, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)You're describing Conquest, which is only one of a myriad of different tournament modes that are possible. All a tournament requires is a set of rules and a finite series of games played using those rules. Heroic Brawl is absolutely a type of tournament - just not the type you're used to seeing.
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Posted Oct 18, 2016 (Yogg Nerf)And a very good system for tournaments you might add... This isn't a tournament mode, it's simply charging for playing into ladder since this will be exactly the same mechanic of plays than the ladder already offers for free because there won't be any kind of specific rules tournaments have (bans, conquest, last hero standing, whatever else...), thus creating the exact same gaming experience than everyday's ladder.
Good for you if you think that will be a great addition t the game, i still don't believe it deserves such a high entry fee and certainly not the name tag "Tournament".