Hearthpwn

…says the shareholder. 

Quote from Zizka >>

Do you remember when the community “threw a fit” regarding the reward track when it was implemented? Do you remember who ended up benefiting from it? 


”I find it very intriguing that a person who supposedly likes a game would ever complain about having to play it more, that whole concept sounds counterintuitive to me.”

Speaking of counterintuitive: 

Overwatch 1 used to use a subscription service. Overwatch 2 moved to F2P. Does this strike you as a move from a company who doesn’t care if F2P players leave? (Overwatch is a game from Blizzard). Since, as you’ve said, companies exist to make money, isn’t the logical conclusion that F2P is a better business model? 

Based on your reasoning:

1. companies exist to make money 
2. Blizzard uses F2P as its business model.
3. Blizzard doesn’t care if F2P players leave.

Can you see how there’s something off in premises? If F2P are to turn into whales like you, they need to stick around long enough to do so. If they leave, do you not understand how it’s something they probably *do* care about? 

 F2P is a business model to get people engaged in a game without having to shell out $70 for it before they play. If they like the game and stick around the more they are engaged with the game results in them spending more over time and when people invest time into things they are less likely to leave.  All companies exist to make a profit because if they don’t they cease to exist. Maybe in the hearthpwn world people are zombies and do things for others because they feel the need to be rewarded with the hard work for the sake of hard work., huh. I know the hearthpwn world is basically a mirror of communist Russia and everyone is Stalin but there is something that exists called reality and it’s quite different in the Capitalist system.  If you don’t like it you don’t have participate because in the capitalist system you have a choice unlike the communist system we don’t kill you if you don’t agree with us. 

Im surprised anyone in the hearthpwn world even plays hearthstone tbh because it’s made by an evil greedy corporation out to suck the very life from your body. You all should be playing that marvel snap game made by that other guy. I hear that game is a gamers Utopia. You should check it out.

f2p can’t be whales bud because they don’t have the money to begin with or else they wouldn’t be whining about the stupid fking quest changes like they do. 

The day the players who actually quit hearthstone that say they are will be the day the  sun rises in the west.  Seeing as how complaining gets the company to change things you guys should start complaining about the pricing really loud and maybe they will just make it all free because that’s what the hearthpwn community wants…everything for free. 

it’s quite sickening to be honest.  Misery loves company ……that’s for sure. The comments are entertaining  and as a shareholder in the company I can assure you that we won’t miss the money you don’t spend.  We all bow before the almighty f2p who graces us with his majestic presence!! God knows if his presence was gone oh God what oh what would we all do to survive …..rotflmao.  There is another name for something that plays the game and doesn’t spend a dime to support it …we call them bots.   
 
btw blizzard gave me overwatch for free and I never even bothered to install it because It looked like another dumb shooter not worth playing even for free I guess Blizzard came to that conclusion as well because nobody was paying for it so hey no harm there.

when windows moves to subscription service I can’t wait to see all,of you migrate to Linux ….laughing my fucking ass off!

Are these comments coming from ChatGPT or something? What the hell am I reading

All companies exist to make a profit because if they don’t they cease to exist

That’s a truism. It’s not so much about making profit so much as what needs to be done to drive profit. 

 If you don’t like it you don’t have participate because in the capitalist system you have a choice unlike the communist system we don’t kill you if you don’t agree with us. 

This sounds like 2024 McCarthyism. It’s also beside the point, I doubt people complaining about the increase in requirements are exclusively communists, I’m baffled I need to actually write this down.

btw blizzard gave me overwatch for free and I never even bothered to install it because It looked like another dumb shooter not worth playing even for free I guess Blizzard came to that conclusion as well because nobody was paying for it so hey no harm there.

It does look like shit, agreed. 

f2p can’t be whales bud because they don’t have the money to begin with or else they wouldn’t be whining about the stupid fking quest changes like they do. 

Nonsense, “bud”:

Free-to-play gamers fall into three categories: Minnows, Dolphins, and Whales. Minnows spend the least out of the three, about $1 a month. Dolphins are moderate spenders who fork out an average of $5 per month. But, Whales spend a lot on microtransactions and drive the most revenue for game developers.

This is from a different article:

Whales take a longer time to convert, spending up to 18 days before they make their mind to pay, while minnows only 8 days.

Keyword being ‘convert’ here. 

The day the players who actually quit hearthstone that say they are will be the day the  sun rises in the west.  Seeing as how complaining gets the company to change things you guys should start complaining about the pricing really loud and maybe they will just make it all free because that’s what the hearthpwn community wants…everything for free. 

Your mind works in binary and absolutes, it’s like you can’t process subtlety, why is that do you think? You disagree with the reward requirement = communist. It’s unreal. You have no clue if the people disagreeing with this recent change are whales or not, none. Zip. Hearthstone business model of FREE to play, so yeah, some people are engaging on that premise. 

I do agree that I doubt a significant amount of players will quit over this. I think it’s likely posturing, they’ll probably play as much as they used to. 

I can’t figure out how to make you understand that the business model is to attract customers by making it free in the first place in order for them to spend later. So for *currently* F2P players to leave shouldn’t be something Blizzard doesn’t care about. 

Also, you might be interested to read the latest news on the front page where the dev themselves admit they went too far:

Yesterday, Patch 29.2 went live with some changes to Weekly Quests, making them harder to complete but grant more XP. We had seen that many players routinely completed their Weekly Quests through their regular play, without even really engaging with the Weekly Quest system. Our aim with the adjustments was to give all our players goals to play towards, and to reward our most engaged players (who would likely still complete the Weekly Quests without too much difficulty) for their commitment to the game.

But we’ve heard your feedback and it's clear that we pushed too far.

We want to reward players for their additional efforts, not make those rewards outside of their reach. That’s why we’re putting together an unscheduled hotfix patch scaling most of the Weekly Quest requirements back down to a number between what they were before and what they are now. We’ll keep the additional XP where it is. We’ll have more information on the timing of this unscheduled hotfix soon, but it will be in addition to our first scheduled hotfix that is already planned for this Friday.

There might be some weird effects of this scaling down of Quest requirements. When you login, for instance, you might see a Weekly Quest over 100% completion. If that happens, it should get cleared up after you play a game and progress that particular Quest once more.

Thanks for your feedback on this update. We look forward to hearing how the changes feel after these adjustments.

 

So, the more you know, right?

For a game like this to work, you need a strong active player base, the only way to achieve that in this day and age when the market is flooded with games is to offer a decent F2P experience... As simple as that...

This change is most likely the final push I needed to separate myself from this game.  I've been a loyal player for the last 10 years and I've never felt so pushed away. I was already struggling to complete the weekly quests while maintaining my daily life and they make them 3 x more difficult to complete?  Not only that (and I know I am the minority here) but I can't believe they just axed duels mode all together.  This was by far my most enjoyed game mode that they have ever put out. I really just now have no desire to play this game anymore.  This is so sad considering Hearthstone has been such a huge part of my life over the last decade. 💔 

Totally onboard there... I really enjoy the game, but as life gets busier, it's not easy to put as much time into a live game...

This is a bit too far into the parasitic gameplay side of time investment for a supposedly casual mobile game, Id hope this impacts their bottom line but I know it wont

When I saw this, I thought it was a joke. If true, it will likely cause me to uninstall, after playing since beta. I don't have time to grind for hours a week, and quests are the main way to progress your collection. If they get harder, I'm out. :((

From 5 to 15 is +200% increase, not 150%. 

worst change ever...

That' was too easy to make all the Quests day one even for a little player like me....so understand that. But hope that's not the first step to give less golds...

first i was pissed, but when i tought more about it im fine with these changes
ill just reroll win quest and do 3 2250 weeklies, i do most of these half afking while doing other stuffs so i still earn 750 more exp than before
for me win-win but i understand while people are mostly pissed

The fact that they changed the quests mid way after paying for the battle pass under the assumption nothing will change is pretty shady. I would like a refund please thanks.

Exactly. I spent a fortune on this game years ago. Then I managed to not spend on it for a long time but recently bought the tavern pass for the skins. Then this....

Quote from xskarma >>

I think their remark about sticker shock was to indicate that there had been so little communication about this and that no one expected what was ultimately pushed to live servers.

Honestly, I have no idea why communication about this was so bad as there has been a definite increase in trying to get ahead of messaging like this in the last year or 2.

Which means there's 2 options:

1) they legitimately didn;t think this was anything that would upset the playerbase too much. Which would be a HUGE lack of being in touch with your playerbase. Anyone with even a SLIGHT finger on the pulse would have seen this reaction coming. 

2) they knew it would be a shitstorm, and did it anyway, because the plan all along has been to throw it out there in unreasonable form so they can roll it back to something slightly less awful, which is still a good deal worse than the situation before, but maybe not enough to cause riots on the forums.

And it is very very possible that this was all done without properly checking with the people who would knwo the reaction of the community. 

It's all too easy given how things have gone with the game lately (increase in price of Diamond cards for a recent example) to imagine some suit with an MBA in the financial department of Blizz to go "Hey, you know how the players say they only play till their quests are done? what if we just TRIPLE the time it takes to get their quests done? THINK OF THE ENGAGEMENT NUMBERS!" and then they got patted on the back and given a raise for the brilliant idea, and they put a dev or 2 on it to implement it in time to take advantage for the rise in player numbers from the Anniversary.

But maybe I'm just jaded. =/

 As to your last comment about player engagement you are 100% correct.  The community has been conditioned to throw a fit and then have Blizzard respond by changing things to appease  the mob. As it stands now I’m just a collector and only engage the game with as little effort as possible to get the 200 packs from the track and that’s it.  Anything to do with BG’s is zero effort to complete. The quests before the change take me roughly 40-60 minutes per week to clear and that includes all 7 daily quests as well. Even with the 20% add on from purchasing the paid reward track you still have to complete the quests to eventually hit 400.  I could ignore the win 15 and I could probably still hit 400 with a week to spare but now with the added xp it will take a few days off my projected time to 400 at about 19-22 days before the season ends.

Seeing as how I stack my quests and reroll until I can complete as many as I can concurrently the new win 15 a week will absolutely make me engage the game more. Instead of hitting casual and conceding on turn 6 for three games to clear 3600xp worth of daily play three games as x class I’ll actually go to one of many sites and copy paste the best deck for the class and actually play it in standard to add to the weekly win 15 total. Spending mana and playing minions quests will complete themselves just by doing this.

The amount of times I have heard people say “ oh no I’m quitting now” over the last 10+ years is astronomical but yet the game lives on. 
As a stockholder in Blizzard I can assure you that at the end of the day it does not care one iota if any player who spends little or nothing leaves because for every one that does you have 100’s  more that don’t. 

I find it very intriguing that a person who supposedly likes a game would ever complain about having to play it more, that whole concept sounds counterintuitive to me.

i understand people have limited time and other things to do but so does everyone else but you find the time for what is important to you.

Companies exist to make a profit and that is the only reason they exist.  People need to understand this has nothing to do with greed because in the end the players determine if a game succeeds or fails.

If you spend little to no money ,sad fact : Blizzard will not miss you.

Blizzard gives me $250 worth of packs for $19.99 I think that’s  more than fair.  Instead of buying extra packs I spend the money on all the cosmetics. If Blizzard didn’t have the cosmetics they would be losing out on that pack money completely and that’s not a good thing for long term sustainability.

The community needs to look at things from both sides instead of just melting down over everything and crying “greedy corporation”.

Think of ways to meet and defeat the new challenges instead of complaining and threatening to leave. The day the game dies is when it is no longer profitable to run but trust me the game will still be here whether you are or aren’t.

Good Luck everyone ! Things are not as bad as they seem.

This is a business decision to increase player engagement. Plain and simple. And there is nothing inherently wrong with that. You aren’t wrong, it’s just tough pill to swallow. 

I used to do a $50 preorder every expansion, but took a break during Scholomancy (my phone was no longer supported and I don’t play hearthstone in he desktop.) Since then, I’ve pretty much just bought the reward track, and a single preorder for Festival. I enjoy the game, and will keep casually engaging with it for a long while. $20 an expansion is okay by me.

I just wish the increased percentage of quest difficulty was a bit closer to the increase of reward. X2 effort for 1.5x reward would have been fine. X3 effort for 1.3x reward makes me feel like Blizz doesn’t care about me. But again, it’s not the companies job to love me. This isn’t a corporate goof-up, this should have been more clearly communicated by the development team.

Do you remember when the community “threw a fit” regarding the reward track when it was implemented? Do you remember who ended up benefiting from it? 


”I find it very intriguing that a person who supposedly likes a game would ever complain about having to play it more, that whole concept sounds counterintuitive to me.”

Speaking of counterintuitive: 

Overwatch 1 used to use a subscription service. Overwatch 2 moved to F2P. Does this strike you as a move from a company who doesn’t care if F2P players leave? (Overwatch is a game from Blizzard). Since, as you’ve said, companies exist to make money, isn’t the logical conclusion that F2P is a better business model? 

Based on your reasoning:

1. companies exist to make money 
2. Blizzard uses F2P as its business model.
3. Blizzard doesn’t care if F2P players leave.

Can you see how there’s something off in premises? If F2P are to turn into whales like you, they need to stick around long enough to do so. If they leave, do you not understand how it’s something they probably *do* care about?