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Just a thought.
8 mana, Neutral Legendary, 1/6 Taunt.
Destroy your opponent's armor at end of turn.
Your opponent takes two turns.
Extreme, yes. But destroying all armor is pretty extreme as well.
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I don't mind the hero power. Yes, it's strong, but it should be. It is the most expensive DK card, so it should be strong. But, the res effect is too OP with the current batch of demons to pull from.
Which leads to the question ... does Gul'Dan need to be nerfed, or the demons? Personally, I would rather they start with changing Doomguard to Rush instead of charge. That change alone would probably be enough to settle down warlocks without destroying them.
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One possible change that I believe would be viable, without killing the deck completely would just be to have the minions react to silence and transform effects after the quest.
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Oh, and FYI, if you play the Rotten Applebaum in the deck, you blow the final combo. To get the full effect, you want only Abominations to be resurrected.
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I see about half a dozen people in the thread saying how hard it is to pilot, but not one that gives an example or adds reasoning to that statement.
And like I said before, I am not trolling. I am genuinely interested in what makes it a skilled deck. I even admitted I haven't played it a lot. I will even admit that I am no where near "highly skilled" at Hearthstone. So I would be interested in some specifics, because the games I have played with it, I won easily in the matchups I should have won, and lost handily in the ones I should have lost. I can think of one match, against a Priest that I believe was Spiteful, or some homebrew Dragon list (I say that because he never played Summoner's) that I lost because I over committed, and he cleared the board with double Duskbreakers, and I just ran out of minions, allowing him to chip me down. That was the only game I felt I could have won if I had played "smarter".
I really hope that the "skill" everyone is talking about is "don't play your minions until you have a clear path towards completing the quest", because that isn't skill, that is common sense.
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But, I have faced it plenty of times. And I know the deck.
But again ... what is so difficult about it? You have a finite number if minions you want to bounce, and a finite number of ways to bounce them. Either you get the cards, or you don't. The deck is very similar to how Quest Mage played out. It is solitaire. Biggest difference is, with Quest mage, you were controlling your opponents minions. With QR, you are just literally hoping you draw the cards required to complete the quest before you die. It's not like you really control anything with a handful of 1HP minions, and a Sap.
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I see this come up a lot, and I am asking this as a serious question, not as a troll.
What is hard about it?
Generally speaking, I see a few different ways it plays out, presumably depending on the draw.
1. Complete the quest with Elementals. This seems to be catching back on, where in earlier lists, I didn't see it as much. Lately, I have seen more Igneous Elemental showing back up.
2. Play freeze out with Glacial Shard.
3. Sonya and bounce boars.
Complete the quest, wreck the board with the Lifesteal / Rush minions, then smash face with Deckhands, remaining boars, ect while sitting behind 5/5 divine shield taunts.
I mean, the list is pretty simple. There aren't a ton of decisions to make. Pick a minion, draw bouncers, complete quest, profit.
And frankly winning by turn 6/7 doesnt even really require an aggro deck, anything that can curve out (like dragon priest used to) can easily achieve a turn 7 lethal just by playing good cards at each stage of the game.
Sure, most decks, even some control decks can pull off a Turn 6/7 lethal if everything curves out just right. The point missed is the consistency of current aggro decks. Unless they just get the literal worst draw possible, you are not going to survive 6 unanswered turns against a Paladin right now ... or a mage.
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This is a tough one to answer. My first inclination is "Yes", because it's only real counter is just Face aggro. The fact that any other deck stands no chance against it unless it just draws horribly is bad.
Plenty of reasons to answer "No" as well. And those reasons are all the other busted decks we have right now. But when you look at those decks, you at least have a shot at controlling them, or tech cards, ect. Quest Rogue is flat out an auto loss if you cannot rush them down before they complete the quest.
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It is a problem, especially for F2P players. And it has a fairly simple solution, but one that I doubt Blizzard would ever do. Refund full dust value for the actual nerfed cards, plus an additional 1600 dust.
It may not quite make up for all the dust spent to craft a deck, but it's better than nothing, and may be enough to get a player started on making another deck.
The big problem is that when Blizzard nerfs cards, they tend to not balance them, but kill them (and the deck they were associated with) completely. And we all know the other problem ... when one deck is knocked off the top of the pile, another one just takes its place. For those with a fairly complete collection, there isn't a problem at all, as they will just craft the next top deck, but for a F2P player that spent all their resources on building a deck to be able to compete, having that deck destroyed can be game ending.