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Quote from Balthier21 »

and i will end this druid thing by saying this. the guy who said druid needs a nerf was playing control warrior which is druids best matchup. you lost the game cause your game was so slow and innefective that the druid player collected all the combo pieces to finish you off and thats what happens most of the times in this matchup. now me as a druid player i lost to a control warrior which is my easiest matchup cause he drew 5 cards from acolytes of pain when i couldnt silence them or answer them effectively cause i had mostly the combo pieces on my hand. after he drew that much he had the answer for everything i played. if youre saying druid needs a nerf why dont your execute almost free mana cost hard removal gets nerfed too

You just described the problem perfectly. The fact that druid can just draw all their cards and automatically win the game is a massive issue--Miracle Rogue was nerfed for that exact reason. If you can't see why that's a problem, well, I can't help you.

Druid right now is basically in a place where you lose if they have a single minion on the board towards the end of the game.

Here because druid is badly in need of a nerf. Here I am, up by four cards against a druid towards the end of a game. I'm at 27 health, he's at 17. I have Alex on the board and a fiery war axe in hand, he has one boombot. All of a sudden, force of nature, savage roar, savage roar, I lose. I knew I was dead to that but I had no way to gain any more life or to clear the boombot. Nobody in their right mind can say that's fair. I dominate all game to lose to that fucking cheese. Here I am at almost full health, with an absolutely dominant board position (he'd already used his BGH so that wasn't a threat), but it just doesn't matter because this fucking combo is completely broken.

Trump's takes:

"Welcome to the worst card in Blackrock Mountain. I'm sorry Warriors."

"It only works out in Disney movies." 

"It's a card that you really shouldn't pay any attention to."

Quote from macbx_jfc »

I think it's actually a great card. 

Against Face Hunter or Mech Mage, this plus Shield Block/Shieldmaiden can win you plenty of games, whereas Whirldwind plus Shield Block/Shieldmaiden can't. The difference between 1 damage and potential 3 damage is huge, the difference between 1 mana and 2 mana is not really that significant. Whirlwind is played because it's clears 1/1 tokens and is a convenient Execute/Grom activator. Anything Whirlwind can do, this can do better. 

This card definitely isn't just flat out better than WW. If you run this instead of WW, you can no longer Grom-WW-Execute for a kill.

Quote from Duranoar »

MAYBE you would run one of them in face hunter. But I don't really see it as a great card, good for sure but not great.

I think that everyone mistakenly views this as a Face Hunter card. This card doesn't fit well there. However, it is exactly what Control Hunter needs to become competitive.

It should read,

"Deal 1 damage to ALL minions. If you have no armor, deal 3 damage instead."

But then, the card would actually be good.

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No Velerios, you are incorrect. The most common drops from Hungry Dragon will be 1/2. Pretty much everything you said in your post is off base, except that the fact that this card will be very good in priest.

There is a total of 34 one drops this card could potentially spawn since those cards are known for not spawning token creatures and only choose from the pool of actually collectible cards. 

Exactly 12 out of those are 2/1s or better - Dust Devil Zombie Chow etc. - among the remaining ones there are at least 5 cards that might be considered equally valuable Argent Squire, Mana Wyrm and so on and also 3 providing a taunt which will be relevant most of the time. 

So while you might not get a 2/1 on average the chance of getting something with at least half decent value is really high.

Incorrect Mr. Smith. The odds of your opponent getting a 2 or 3 attack minion are 38.2%.

And i never said anything else? I have even listed the number ob those minions and yes i can do the math myself and there is literally nothing in my post that would contradict your statement. (the numbers roughly match, might be a miss count somewhere)

So maybe before throwing around phrases like "incorrect" really read the post? What i said was that you do NOT get a 2(+) attack minion on average but that the probability of getting a minion that has some value in one form or another - Argent Squire with divine shield, Mana Wyrm which can potentially be buffed, Voidwalker with taunt etc. - is pretty high and shouldn't be underestimated instead of just looking at raw stats.

I probably should've elaborated more in my response, so I apologize if I sounded terse and for my lack of explanation. I counted Argent Squire as a two attack minion in my calculation because of divine shield, which is probably why our numbers don't match. The reason that I said you're incorrect is because the odds that an opponent gets a minion with an effect that can make it valuable to them are incredibly small. 

Finally, you will always have an opportunity to react to whatever drops from Hungry Dragon before you end your turn. Because of the fact that the odds of giving your opponent a USEFUL, valuable minion are very low, combined with the fact that you can react to said minion before the end of your turn, I believe it to be highly improbable that your opponent will get half decent value out of the one drop on a regular basis.

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Quote from Metzelmax »

Returning a card to your hand can be benefitial, whereas giving your opponents minions is rarely ever benificial.

Unless it's the crazy dude always preaching on the corner.

THE END IS COMING!

 

But that's a 2-drop.

I'm aware. Simply wanted to point out a situation where giving your opponent a minion is beneficial.

I see you didn't get the memo...

In other news, suitable replacements for Harrison Jones and Ysera?

Can I still be successful with the deck without Harrison Jones, Emperor Thaurissan, Sylvanas Windrunner, Dr. Boom, Grommash Hellscream, Alexstrasza and Ysera?

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Here because druid is badly in need of a nerf. Here I am, up by four cards against a druid towards the end of a game. I'm at 27 health, he's at 17. I have Alex on the board and a fiery war axe in hand, he has one boombot. All of a sudden, force of nature, savage roar, savage roar, I lose. I knew I was dead to that but I had no way to gain any more life or to clear the boombot. Nobody in their right mind can say that's fair. I dominate all game to lose to that fucking cheese. Here I am at almost full health, with an absolutely dominant board position (he'd already used his BGH so that wasn't a threat), but it just doesn't matter because this fucking combo is completely broken.

play druid then you will know druid is unplayble without the combo. every class has something "unfair". to use 2x roar he must have used innervate too and when you play vs a druid and you see hes prolonging some cards its the combo 100%. you left the boom bot, you should not leave minions on druid for obvious reasons. i won countless games in which my opponents didnt trade cause they thought that theres no way to lose with 30 life. but complaining about druid when 7/10 decks you face these days are zoo its kinda funny

He mentioned that he couldn't actually remove the minion. And druid is not in any way unplayable without the combo. Druid has the only consistent ramp cards (Wild Growth and Innervate), insane card draw (Ancient of Lore) and somewhat decent board clear (Starfall or Swipe). In fact, as the meta slows down, we might see more of the taunt-heavy ramp druid decks to counter the combo decks.

So basically this card is an apology for Cobra Shot lol

Do you guys remember Mankrik from the Barrens? :) Anyone who quested in the Barrens in WOW before Cataclysm knows this guy and his quest to save his wife :) anyway i hope you like it.
http://www.wowwiki.com/Mankrik's_Wife

edit:
scenarios -
Mankrik's wife gets silenced -> you can still make use of him by enraging him for the taunt (or killing the wife with taskmaster/whirlwind effect, but the deathrattle wont work ofc :))
enemy plays mankrik aswell -> no mankrik can attack untill all wives are dead (lel)

in general this is anti-aggro card. not sure if warrior really needs it that much but i couldn't really fit mankrik in any other class (he is a blademaster) + i really wanted to make a card about him :)

Quote from fabisco »

Chillwind passes it, sure, but that +1 health makes the cards worlds apart ... there is just so many 4 attack weapons and minions and 4 damage spells in constructed. A 4/4 for 4 while not really completely terrible just needs a more reliable upside than this!

What you are saying has nothing to do if a minion passes the Vanilla Test or not. A 4 mana 4/4 passes the Vanilla test and can be considered good, stats wise. It has a solid body and solid attack in perfect balance to his mana cost.

I've argued against the statments that he is gargbage. He simply isn't. He is not great, just ordinary statwise, but his ability can be powerful in certain circumstances, where the ability can be considered beneficial to the player. So he is a statwise good ordinary Beast card ("Beast" matters) with the potential to be great in certain circumstances. I do not call such a card "unplayable", "garbadge" or "bad".

The card is not too powerful, true, but it is not as bad as many people think.

1. There are so far only 2! beasts in the 4 Mana cost area. The Core Rager fits very good in there.
2. It is in the worst case a 4/4 for 4 mana. That is not bad, it is good, it passes the Vanilla Test. Chillwind Yeti is considered excellent because he surpasses the Vanilla Test by +1 health. Think before you complain too much. By adding his ability which can of course be build around in the deck or "forced" to be activitated with playing out your whole hand. Still i see it more as a bonus to a pretty solid body.
3. I expect him to be seen more often than people think, be it in arena or in constructed, and not in Face Hunter decks. Especially in Face Hunter he does not fit very well. The face Hunter usually plays nothing which "sits" only there and is a massive threat. Then he would run Savanna Highmanes, he does not. He plays offensive cards which deal the moment them are played.

I conclude:

• Good stats for the mana cost with a nice ability which can help out at times when you fall behind.
• Especially great for other Hunter types than Face Hunter.

Puts on headband turns on eye of the tiger and drinks the blood of mannoroth smoothy I'm ready for Black Rock coach put me in.

I'd start bench pressing whelps. You don't have much time.