Hearthpwn

It's a decent deck if you get the right cards, but I find the deck to be a little too inconsistent. Not trying to bring hate, just saying what I've noticed. For a deck like this I am a little surprised that there's this many upvotes

If you ask me, ~*both*~ are unfun to play against. Beating secret mage just comes down to your card draws and having the right counters while quest just comes down to who's tempo is faster. If your tempo falters against either one of damn rinse and repeat decks they all are, then you lose. However, they're in wild for a reason, and if you're playing in wild then you need to be ready for the damn dumpster fire that describes it. I don't see it too often at my rank anymore but I still think both decks needed a small nerf, just be happy that at least one is.

Bulwark of Azzinoth is by not a fundamental aspect of this deck. While it is a very strong card in this assortment, I think it can easily be replaced with a second Shield Block or Iron Hide if you aren't looking to spend the dust on it. It works well because it can stall damage coming your way early game.

Kargath Bladefist, though not entirely necessary, is strongly recommended. Decks like this struggle greatly in early game and it's a card that can be played as early as turn 4 that also can take care of pesky little minions. On top of that, his deathrattle has huge synergy with the rest of the deck since he shuffles Kargath Prime in with the rest of your big minions. He's an 8 cost with Rush and the added benefit of helping you gain armor. This means he can also be recruited by Silver Vanguard. Assuming 2 copies are summoned with Dimensional Ripper, the worth on him is quite substantial in almost every case he's put on to the board.

Woecleaver, unfortunately, is also very important. I say unfortunately because most people dusted the card upon receiving it. I personally always liked it, so I never dusted it when I got it for free with Kobolds and Catacombs. It is one of the staples of this deck, and gives you an three chances to recruit minions. However, as I said before, this is mostly a fun deck. I would hate to see you use up a bunch of dust when it could be better spent toward the current meta. 

If you're looking for suggestions to replace minions with other options, I recommend looking towards the bottom of the deck guide. There are more than enough suggestions down there.

I am considering creating a FULL write up for this deck. Would you mind if I put a link to your video towards the top? I feel like it would help us both :-) advertisement for the vid and a gameplay video to go with the deck :-)

Sounds good, thank you so much by the way! I really appreciate it

Since this is mostly a fun deck, I recommend crafting legendaries that you will find use for in other scenarios (i.e The Lich King in a Hadronox deck or Y'Shaarj, Rage Unbound in a Big Priest deck). For missing legendaries, there are also a lot of easy crafting options that work. Common cards like Deranged Doctor, Mosh'Ogg Enforcer, Living Monument, Sleepy Dragon, Burley Shovelfist, and Anubisath Warbringer have some great synergy. Epic cards like Splitting Festeroot and Big Bad Archmage are great options too if you want to commit some but not a lot of dust towards this. However, if you have the dust, Woecleaver, Y'Shaarj Rage Unbound, and The Boomship are the most crucial Legendaries in this assortment.

Thank you so much! I really appreciate it! Be sure to upvote it so others can see!

You'll probably just have to enter it in manually. I've found that copying a deck from Hearthpwn on your mobile device and then trying to paste it in game doesn't work. But if you have a computer with hearthstone, then you can copy and paste it in there, or just enter it manually on your mobile device from your computer. Sorry about that

One of the things I like about HS is its simplicity. It feels very intuitive to play and its that design which dragged me in. I've always found other games I've tried to be quite tiresome, maybe more so because I tend to play on a phone. Magic's tiny font with paragraphs of text and overly serious looking cards just didn't juice my lemons. 

Appreciate your post though and I can't disagree with your thoughts, I just think HS leans in on being clean, simple and easy to pick up and go. I do quite like the lane idea, maybe it could be introduced with something as a mechanic, so it's not committed full time to keeping it but a future game mode or even cards released as part of a set which do these sorts of things to the board, even if it's a start of game effect? 

I think it's totally fair that they don't know or don't care about your achievements. It's obvious to you, but not to everyone.

When my opponent makes a weird play I just think they misplayed and move on I don't really try to understand his reasoning or what obscure achievement he might have been trying to complete, or is he a new player or is he just a veteran meming around.

And it's ladder, it counts towards end of the month rewards and golden portraits. Life is short, people will and should take any win they can get, if you AFK or misplay or try to complete achievements isn't and shouldn't be your opponent's problem. If they realize what you are doing and are in the mood of helping you, very good. If they're not, it's fine.

I would personally do it on rank floors, but not any other rank. Then again, I probably won't realize what you're doing and just enjoy the free win.

No, I think a better solution would just be to let us complete achievements in casual, PVE and against friends. Forcing people to lose games on ladder to complete achievements sounds idiotic.

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Gaming is literally all i have.

Only enjoyment i have.

But yeah... It sucks allot.

 

 I hear ya.

I can get frustrated at HS sometimes, too. Some days it just feels like no matter what deck you play you're on a losing streak. I think it can happen to anyone, really.

Whenever that happens I tend to just go play a different game. Something single player to get my morale back up. :)

I'm sorry for your loss.

It's probably a good idea to take a break from the game for a while. I understand it can be frustrating sometimes, but it's not worth it to break your own stuff over it.

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Ok, and I'm fine with facing any aggro deck as long as it fights for the board initially and in general would like Rogue to be the worst class in the game forever as it doesn't looks fun or interactive for me. Should I promote my biased and unreasonable opinion as a thing that "make the game better" too?
Watch posts were one of the worst card designs in the entire history of the game and you want them to be OP again, it doesn't make any sense even for an aggro hater, only for a player who actually want to make game as non-interactive as possible.

 I'd really love to hear what is an interactive deck. Because according to this community, literally no deck is interactive. Priest decks aren't interactive at all because they never give you anything to work off of, they just create random stuff forever until you can't deal with it. OTK dh and any kind of combo deck of course isn't interactive, control warlock isn't interactive because it has infinite removal (as I've read so many times) and tickatus is sooo not interactive. Mage isn't interactive because idk, people just start whining about incanter's flow and refreshing spring water and that somehow makes the deck uninteractive. Rogue isn't interactive because it just goes face and deals damage from hand. Druid decks aren't interactive because they either fill the board of 2/2s on turn 1 or they have 10 mana when you have 4. Hunter isn't interactive because it only goes face and can do so whatever you do about it. The only existing shaman archetype isn't interactive because it's basically rogue if rogue were complete shite. And also shaman is a dead class anyway so who cares.

What's left? Paladin, that everyone and their mothers are complaining about? Oh, I guess warrior is an interactive deck, there, we officially have one.

I think in this game, change is always good.

I say this because it seems like the time between expansions/mini sets feels like a long time, and anything that can be done to shake up the meta and make people try different things will bring a breath of fresh air to the whole game until a major change happens.

So honestly, no matter what they do, as long as it doesn't completely kill a class or archetype... or make something so strong that it suddenly dominates all other decks... should be good for the overall interest of the players.

That's just one person's opinion, anyway.

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Firstly, although other games are mentioned, I don't intend to turn this thread into an X game is better than Y game, and if it ends up going that way I fully understand the thread being locked.

Anyway I have enjoyed my time with Hearthstone (and will likely continue to do so, only in smaller doses), this isn't a dramatic walkout post, and neither is it meant to be critical against Hearthstone outside of what is necessary to get across my point.

The point of the post is to reach out to others (both card game veterans and those who have only played HS) in an attempt to discuss how Hearthstone 'tricked' me (and potentially others) into assuming certain things about the genre.*

You see back in 2015 HS popped my card game cherry, and because of this everything I know about the genre came almost exclusively from it. Now after finally trying something new (Leagues of Runeterra mainly - thanks to recommendations form this forum, although I have been testing out a few) I've realised that a lot of the things I assumed I would dislike about card games is actually false, as they were based around my lack of understanding of how other games handled those things. Or more accurately in some cases, how Hearthstone doesn't handle them.

The main offender here is minion combat (and/or 'tempo'), something which has very little depth in HS (this was something I had always heard but never fully understood). Because of this I had always assumed that I was a 'control player' and a 'deck builder'. I found aggro/tempo decks boring and I always wanted to feel like I was doing something interesting, something which required me to think. Netdecking an aggro deck just seemed pointless to me, I mean there's still an element of mastering the deck which would take time but that always felt more like I was just following a guide and going through the motions rather than solving a puzzle - I scratched that itch by creating off-meta decks and trying to make them sort of work.

I've realised it's not aggro/tempo that is boring to me however, only Hearthstone's versions of those. If we add complexity to the early game and give players more decisions to make then what was boring can become engaging.

There are two major issues with how minion combat works in my amateur opinion:

The first is that minions have very little survivability, they are vulnerable to spells, rush minions, battlecries/effects, as well as any enemy minion that is in play.

The second issue is that outside of taunts being in play, the aggressive player dictates minion trades. They will trade their minions into something which threatens their advantage, or they will go face if there are now favourable trades. The more defensive player is simply reacting to the leftovers.

To highlight this further I'm going to propose a change. Not a change I expect Blizzard to make, but a change I would like you to imagine in order to better understand Hearthstone's lack of depth in this area:

So imagine if hearthstone had 'battle lanes'. You would choose which lane to summon your minion and then they can only attack straight ahead, or to the lanes immediately to their left and right (minions in the outside lanes could only attack in two directions). If there are no minions in any of those lanes then you may attack face - otherwise you will have to trade first to clear space.

One example I will use is Soothsayer Caravan, an unplayable card because it lack survivability, however with battle lanes, if your opponent coins out a 3/2 on turn 1, you can just pay the Caravan in a safe lane - meaning it would need to be killed by other means. There are countless other scenarios.

The above isn't intended to bring about a discussion of whether this is balanced, or if it would be good for the game, it's just an example intended to help players understand my issues with HS' minion combat (especially those who don't have much card game experience), which is something that only really clicked with me after actually trying another game. This will be obvious to some, especially card game veterans, but maybe some with limited card game experience like myself can get something from it.

I'll leave this here for now, there's more to say but this is already quite long so...

*When I say 'tricked' I don't literally mean Blizzard are intentionally tricking players.

Is an achievement really an achievement if someone gives it to you for free?

When I had to go over 100 games of fatigue before someone let me get such a simple achievement as "kill an opponent with fatigue" without conceding first, I now actively try to prevent any and all achievement progress.

Sorry, I've been hurt too many times.