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As badly as I want to see new cards(so badly), I have to admit that there's not much of a building "fever pitch" when there's a steady stream of cards. Un'goro was exciting, but it wasn't a massive deal in that last week until the release happened. Blizzard wants there to be a buildup of excitement, not what they observed, which was a kind of preeeeeeetty good excitement, but just pretty good.

I'd like to see how this method of reveal works, maybe trickle out a few more cards between the initial reveal and the first big card dump for next expansion.

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Hi, my name is Sully. It's my first time here at the Group Therapy thread.

One thing I have been a personal issue with is that I have been stuck at rank 18 this whole season (the month of July). Last month, and many month before too, I could easily achieve rank 5, but I am not sure what has been going on with me. All I see on ladder is aggro and secrets, and I really don't want to have to resort playing those decks. Is there a control deck out there that exist to grind out the other deck archetypes.

 

I've resorted to experimenting with a midrange Dinomancy hunter I found and a dragon control warrior that y buddy built from scratch. It's not perfect, but they're fun and effective options that have 55%+ minimum winrates for me this season.

Here's the Dinomancy Hunter (since dragon control warrior has a number of variants on here for you to play with and try out): https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveHS/comments/6axjvv/top_100_legend_dinomancy_hunter/

Also, I've been working toward trying out a midrange C'thun Paladin that seems interesting, but I haven't tried it yet.

Best of luck!

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Why are cancerous aggro decks in Wild? GO back to standard where you belong. Go back to the format you already ruined. Get the fuck out of Wild. 

 The takeover started with pirate warrior, then egg druid grew, and now the aggro is malignant and spreading.

Blizzard needs to put out less-costly control cards and more costly aggro cards. Right now, aggro is cheap and fast enough to win 55%+ in both standard and wild.

It sucks.

 Man these fucking cancerous retards change 1-3 cards per deck and call it a "wild" deck. Pirate warrior adds the (broken) Ship's Cannon. That, and Finley are basicly the only changes from Standard PW to Wild PW. I still think my original hypothesis is indeed correct.

Cancerous aggro dipshits enjoy playing against slow decks and auto-winning on T5. There ARE no slow decks in Standard anymore, ergo, they cannot enjoy these 3 minute victories they crave. They all got pushed out by the fact EVERY deck in Standard just wants to win by turn 5. So, all those slower-loving players moved to Wild. HOWEVER: the cancerous dipshits don't enjoy playing against each other. PW VS PW actually DOES have some thought into it. And they hate that. So what do they do? They switch to Wild. Control & slower decks galore, new targets to feast on.

But what happens when players like me decide to quit altogether, due to the cancerous aggro decks? They'll just quit too. They don't enjoy thought-provoking games or resolving cards that cost 6 mana+, so they'll just stop. When that happens, 1 of 2 things will happen: the game will stay stale & dead, watching Token Shaman VS Token Shaman and PW vs aggro druid 24/7 (instead of 22/7 which it is now), OR, the slower players will return and attempt to enjoy the game once again. I sincerely hope for the latter instead of the former. 

 

Obviously, we have 130 more cards to see, but I love the concept. 

Quest Hunter would be a great deck to see come alive, especially if it could play out with Deathstalker Rexxar

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Why are cancerous aggro decks in Wild? GO back to standard where you belong. Go back to the format you already ruined. Get the fuck out of Wild. 

If you're winning more than 50% of your matches, it's just a numbers game. Simply play a high volume of matches and have 2-3 decks to swap between if you're getting matched repeatedly in unfavorable face-offs.

Burn Mage, Pirate Warrior, Aggro Druid will be the fastest and most effective. The rest is up to you; there's no guaranteeing win streaks or "brain dead" decks. I think these are the closest you'll come in this meta, as they require little in the way of choices, and ranked play doesn't often pose turns that are deeply strategic until rank 10.

That being said, sticking to the meta and only wanting to hit rank the easiest way possible seems like a joyless way to experience the game. I get wanting to rank up, but if you're looking for decks to carry you to certain ranks, you'll soon find that the sheer power of any deck will eventually fail you and require a massive amount of time to compensate for losses if you're seeking rank 5+ (which, once you hit 10, why not reach higher?).

I know a guy who always jumps on tier 1 meta decks, only playing those and dropping them as soon as he hits a wall. He never gets beyond that wall, because he can't devote the time needed to hit legend (he's usually stuck at rank 4-5 on his best seasons). The reason is because his level of skill hasn't grown beyond that wall. You'll find the same in your games, just like I do in mine every season.

I'd recommend that whatever deck(s) you choose to run, make sure they are the following (in order of importance):

1. FUN! A boring or by-the-numbers deck (hyper aggro is most often this format) is rarely fun, especially once you hit that wall.
2. Familiar! Know the powerplays in your deck, but familiarize yourself with the unconventional possibilities that can surprise and defeat your opponent. What plays can you make that will force your opponent's next move to be awkward and/or wasteful to eliminate your threat?
3. Refined! Whether or not you're running a meta deck, you should make sure you've honed it to your style and to address the meta.

I'm sure I could say more but this is going long and I don't want it to sound like I'm trying to educate you. Just make sure you're having fun beyond just winning, put in lots of time to your ranked play, and you should hit 10. 

Best of luck!

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Auctioneer Needs to fucking rotate out of Standard finally im so sick of that Card. I really like Rogue but fuck this Card.

One of the things I love about Hearthstone is how it can expose me to all this rich WoW lore without having to experience the agony (imo) of MMORPG grinding and waiting around for raids. I love the writing and character creation be hind WoW, but having tried multiple MMORPG's (GuildWars 2 came the closest to reeling me in) I can affirmatively say that no amount of interesting story or characters or design or mechanics could ever help me limp along a game that I have to pay to play, then devote a great deal of time to if I want to progress at a speed I deem reasonable.

Summary: Hearthstone lets me enjoy WoW lore lite.

They spelled "Vicious Fledgling Brawl" so weird...

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100% Aggro on ladder. Like seriously people who play these boring ass shit decks are not even worth the air they are breathing.

Why would you "play" a game and then pull off these non interactive shitty face decks. You really have to be fucking retarded.

 Yea tell me about it. Every game is Pirate warrior / Aggro druid / Pirate Rogue or  any other bullshit face deck

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At first, this card really seems like garbage, but thinking about it a little bit more... It could actually be something to make Control Hunter viable, not a T1 deck or anything ike that, but maybe T2, fringe at the very least.

It provides 2 things control needs: board wipe and life gain. And even if 6 may sound a little to much to pay, the payoff you get with this new hero power could be quite incredible. Let's not forget Control Warrior gladly paid 6 mana for Justicar Trueheart, a 6/3 minion with no direct impact on th board. And this HP is actually pretty good: controled card draw that guarantees a strong, late game, board threat  that won't push you to fatigue.

I know, I know... CW had lots of good control tools to get to Justicar, but maybe this card (or something else that's spoiled in this set) may be what makes Hunter's own control tools viable.

Just saying: it COULD happen.

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Ugh. Priests are simply infuritating to play against. Once upon a time... Secret agent coming through. Secret agent coming through.  Secret agent coming through (Created by Netherspite Historian). Once upon a time... Secret agent coming through (Created by Netherspite Historian). Then they steal all the good cards from your deck, remove your minions. Fuck priests.

 Priest right now is essentially stall and steal. I hate facing it because it's so much more about rng turnover with Lyra and Agent than about strategy. It relies so heavily on rng that it bothers me how many people claim it's a skill deck. Control Warrior is a skill deck. Grinder Mage is a skill deck. Current "control" priest? RNG BS fiesta.

 Sorry but I am trigged.

Control warrior is the easiest control deck type to play of all control decks, ever period. You're safe pretty much all the time no worry about anything while other control deck you pray to the RNG Gods all the time, before mass QQ yes I play Control warrior and NOT Quest warrior.

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Ugh. Priests are simply infuritating to play against. Once upon a time... Secret agent coming through. Secret agent coming through.  Secret agent coming through (Created by Netherspite Historian). Once upon a time... Secret agent coming through (Created by Netherspite Historian). Then they steal all the good cards from your deck, remove your minions. Fuck priests.

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Had I not like hunter as a class, I wouldn't have played 100+ games in 5 days, friend. I thank you for your advices.

What do you think of Rat Pack, Dreadscale, Dispatch Kodo, I feel like theorycrafting. Which one should I craft? I have Infested Wolfs and it's solid 4 drop which is good for hunter. Not sure about Rat Pack.

edit: now I'm Angry Chicken, yaaay!

 rat pack is widely considered a really good card. hit it with a houndmaster, leeok or dire wolf and it becomes a super powerful 3 drop. deadscale is just bad, hunter doesnt have the tools to make a control deck. i run infested wolf on my f2p hunter, its a good card, just not as good as rat pack. dispatch kodo is decent, the battlecry is useful, but for a 4 drop it has really weak stats, i was using dark iron dwarf and found it to be better, sadly no beast tag which is pretty essential in hunter with hyena, kill command, houndmaster and razormaw.

We watched Kibler take hunter matches in legend to a high winrate during Mean Streets, the worst expansion for hunter to-date.

I'm currently running a Dinomancy midrange hunter that is handling ranked quite well (I've been too busy with getting my house ready for my first baby to play much this season), but I've handily reached Rank 15 in two 2-hour play sessions. 

My point is that options are out there, and hunter is not a dead class in this meta, just much harder than in the past, which I think is ultimately good. Easy hunter generally means face hunter, and that's never contributed to a particularly healthy meta.

Don't give up on hunter! You can rank with it if you make the right plays. And the new expansion has hinted at a meta shift that could bring hunter out of the doldrums of tier 3 and below without running a face race deck.

Lastly, if you're not having fun while playing hunter, try something else and patiently build up your collection while you wait for Knights of the Frozen Throne to release. No point in playing a class or deck if it's not fun (hopefully, you find fun in not just winning, but playing great matches).