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Several synergies are too powerful.

Battlecry quest and lackeys.

Prisma and 7 murlocs.

Dr.Boom and mechs.

Conjure and giants.

 Completely agree. And for some reason they intended these?? All of these pre-existing cards were good enough on their own to be played in certain decks, but they released new cards to make them completely broken. This is not the same as indirectly buffing bad cards. Lackey were pretty good already, so why make a quest where they are both the key to completing the quest easily, then the reward is you get twice as many and each of those is twice as effective?

The shaman and the paladin quests are dumb. Paladin's reword is too powerful given the cards available. Perhaps it should be a 1/1 copy, but really the quest design is poor. The shaman is worse because it's so easy to spam cheap battlecry minions, complete the quest for free in to time, and basically double the impact of the rest of your deck. It's basically like having the upgraded hero power from the beginning in odd/even decks but worse.

Is heroic dalaran just dumb? like how do you even beat the silence minion boss?  Play all spells? 

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  Except Dany would never do this, and was done for the sake of the plot and to be "shocking".

 

 Let's take a look at what Dany has done throughout the show, shall we?

• Dany threatens to cut off her brother's hands if he hits her again
• Dany watches without emotion as her older brother (heir to the throne over her) is melted to death by her husband
• Knowing that the death of her Kahl husband will mean the end of her and her army, Dany sacrifices her unborn child to a witch in a misguided attempt to save him 
• Thinking all is lost, Dany burns the witch, her semi-dead husband and herself alive, only to survive and get dragons, because magic
• Dany threatens to raze Qarth when they don't let her in
• Dany has her Dragons incinerate the Warlock Pyat Pree
• Dany locks Xaro in his vault to die of starvation
• Dany burns the slavemasters of Astapor and steals their army of unsullied
• Dany orders the unsullied to sack astapor and leaves the city ungoverned and in shambles to march to Yunkai
• Dany sacks the city of Yunkai and leaves the city ungoverned and in shambles to march to Mareen
• Dany instigates a slave revolt to take Mareen, then crucifies 163 nobles from that city
• Dany has a great master burned alive and eaten by her dragons as reprisal for Ser Barriston's death
• Dany gathers all the Dothraki leaders together and burns them alive
• Dany declares her intent to "return their [slaver's bay] cities to the dirt," but is persuaded to by Tyrion not to do it 
• Dany burns the entire slavemaster's armada (what about the innocents?!)
• Dany burns the Tarlys for not bending the knee

Yes. Dany is was a totally kind a delightful ruler up until season 8 episode 5. If anything is clear, its that the only thing holding her back the entire time from not doing this earlier were here trusted advisers, who are now all dead or untrusted

I stopped reading after the first two bullets. Viserys was basically Ramsay with platinum blond hair. If you take Dany threatening him or not being sad when he dies as forshadowing that she would commit mass murder, you are deranged. 

 YET DANY STILL NAMED A DRAGON AFTER HIM!!!!!!!!

Sorry for the capslock but how could people miss that Dany is not right in the head? She falls in love with her rapist, that's the very first thing she does. Really thanks to the creator of that list though.

People get blinded by beauty, dragons, nice music, badassery, some noble agenda. But that's all intended .Basically Jorah starts the whole thing out of blind love: "If she has Dragons, she can do anything"

However Dragons are likely only a product of blood magic and the Red Star. There are no gods.  Burn a girl with a wood horse, you get a horse. Well that's the show's take. In the books everything is hidden in cryptic prophecies - which are all like Noah's ark, fictive myths based on real events. 

 Again, having a complicated relationship with an abusive older brother(not being sad after as he dies, but still wanting to honor the person he was with naming) is not foreshadowing madness leading to mass murder. See the hound the hound and his abusive older brother. See Tyrion who actually kills his abusive father! People are really grasping at straws here.

Also, a fun thing to do is to go on youtube and find videos where people fix the indefensibly bad writing choices with very minor tweaks. It's like connecting major plot points using something other than zigzags drawn with crayon.

For example, last episode, Tyrion walks up to Cersei and pleads for her to surrender. (At this point Tyrion is fully brain dead, which is fine, maybe that's the point of his character?)  Cersei, who literally has been sending people to kill him since he left King's Landing years ago, has the full ability to kill him now. In order to provoke Dany into doing something rash, she could just kill Tyrion. He's the Queen's hand, and top on Cersei's kill list. Instead, she kills Missandei and just lets him walk away. If the goal is provocation, killing Tyrion would work just as well. Then she could keep Missandei as a human shield for the red keep, just like she has been doing with by letting the peasants into the city. Or she could kill both of them, and double up on the provocation. The only combination that makes no sense is to kill the prisoner you've done the hard work to capture and let Tyrion walk, which is of course what the show runners went with. 

Why did Cersei want to further provoke Dany at all? (Other Cersei's a bitch, so why not?) It almost seemed to foreshadow Cersei having something else up her sleeve, something that Dany wasn't aware of. 

Instead of Cersei just being lame and delusional, and Dany going crazy on civilians AFTER she's won an easy, precise, unambiguous victory, consider: Who hates the common folk of King's Landing? Not Dany. She has never interacted with them, and thinks of herself as a liberator. Cersei, however, personally hates each one after dealing with them for years, especially after her walk of shame. This is part of the reason she blows up the sept and surrounding area without a shred of remorse. 

So, Cersei- with knowledge of wildfire stores, a hatred of the peasants she has decided to use as human shields, the time and impetus to build lots of scorpions, and cruel sense of irony- places thickets of these weapons throughout the city(NOT only on the outer walls), over safe houses filled with peasants and barrels of wildfire. In order to use Drogon, Dany has to take them out. The first explosion comes as a surprise and she's a bit conflicted, seeing all the peasants burning. However, being fucking pissed off, hating Cersei even more, and wanting to ensure her victory, she makes the difficult choice to destroy the rest of these scorpion nests/traps and then the keep itself.

So Dany ends up destroying the city, partly out of necessity but partly out of frustration. She destroys what she has come to save, becomes queen of the ashes. Cersei laughs maniacally, finally getting her ultimate revenge on everyone who has wronged her or wanted to usurp her, ultimately at the cost of everything, including her own life and the life of her unborn child. Dany defeated on the eve of her greatest victory by destroying her long awaited prize. Then she snaps and goes full mad queen. Here both women have agency, both we can empathize with on some level, and it makes thematic and narrative sense.

It's hilarious what lengths people will go through to defend this indefensibly stupid episode and season. 

The consistent tragic arc is not Dany's descent into madness, it has been the decline of show's writing- more and more scenes and episodes makes zero sense in terms of narrative or thematics, but make perfect sense in terms of brain dead shock factor and spectacular visuals. The writing is the foundation of story- and if it's a harmless fluff story like Detective Pikachu, you can say whatever, just enjoy it. But if the tone of the show is grave and somber, and we are supposed to feel something when we look at charred bodies and ash with dramatic music in the background, we have to be able to take the show seriously. The positively goofy scripts of the last two episode in particular prohibit that. 

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  Except Dany would never do this, and was done for the sake of the plot and to be "shocking".

 

 Let's take a look at what Dany has done throughout the show, shall we?

• Dany threatens to cut off her brother's hands if he hits her again
• Dany watches without emotion as her older brother (heir to the throne over her) is melted to death by her husband
• Knowing that the death of her Kahl husband will mean the end of her and her army, Dany sacrifices her unborn child to a witch in a misguided attempt to save him 
• Thinking all is lost, Dany burns the witch, her semi-dead husband and herself alive, only to survive and get dragons, because magic
• Dany threatens to raze Qarth when they don't let her in
• Dany has her Dragons incinerate the Warlock Pyat Pree
• Dany locks Xaro in his vault to die of starvation
• Dany burns the slavemasters of Astapor and steals their army of unsullied
• Dany orders the unsullied to sack astapor and leaves the city ungoverned and in shambles to march to Yunkai
• Dany sacks the city of Yunkai and leaves the city ungoverned and in shambles to march to Mareen
• Dany instigates a slave revolt to take Mareen, then crucifies 163 nobles from that city
• Dany has a great master burned alive and eaten by her dragons as reprisal for Ser Barriston's death
• Dany gathers all the Dothraki leaders together and burns them alive
• Dany declares her intent to "return their [slaver's bay] cities to the dirt," but is persuaded to by Tyrion not to do it 
• Dany burns the entire slavemaster's armada (what about the innocents?!)
• Dany burns the Tarlys for not bending the knee

Yes. Dany is was a totally kind a delightful ruler up until season 8 episode 5. If anything is clear, its that the only thing holding her back the entire time from not doing this earlier were here trusted advisers, who are now all dead or untrusted

I stopped reading after the first two bullets. Viserys was basically Ramsay with platinum blond hair. If you take Dany threatening him or not being sad when he dies as forshadowing that she would commit mass murder, you are deranged. 

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ONrUvj0-bjI

Great video laying waste to defenders of the episode/ the writing in general. Perhaps skip past the intro.

You can hate Dany, you can think the Mad Queen was absolutely the right choice(I don't, but w/e), and still think this episode and last season or two has been garbage. 

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 What you said about Dany is true at the same time it isn't. The rule in the show is that Targaryans are nutcases. Dany lost her mind because she has the Targaryan gen. She was a time bomb, wich exploded this episode.

 Except it isn't. In the show there are more perfectly sane Targaryens, than insane ones.

 wasn't the Mad KIng the only insane one...like...ever.

Viserys wasn't insane, he was just kind of a dick with delusions of grandeur. Rhaegar was perfectly normal.

Yeah there's really mostly sane targaryens and the entire point of Dany was to overcome the stigma of her heritage, but ofc she doesn't because "muh symbolism and reincorporation"

I remember when Luke Skywalker turned evil at the end of Return of the Jedi because it was kind of implied.

But hey, anything to get the plot going, even if it means having a character commit unnecessary war crimes that would make even Adolf HItler denounce you.

 In the show - yes, and I completely agree with you about Viserys. Let us also not forget Aemon.

In the lore though: "some members are known to be perfectly normal psychologically-speaking, other Targaryens throughout history have displayed bizarre, erratic and sometimes violent behavior, succumbing to the so-called 'Targaryen madness'."

Note though, that bizarre and erratic doesn't equal genocidal maniacs.

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What about Varys? He spent all this time carefully maneuvering in service of the realm, just to launch a clumsy coup attempt while Cersei is still on the throne, sending out letters stating "Jon is a real boy" from underneath Dany's nose?

 I literally laughed out loud

Who in the show, with one episode left has arc that makes any sense?

Lets leave aside Dany because a lot of people have hated her for a long time, and are bending over backwards to defend this trainwreck of a mad queen plot. 

What was the point of Tyrion? to escape his cruel and evil family to serve another cruel and even queen, being a terrible judge of character and falling for every trap laid out?

What about Varys? He spent all this time carefully maneuvering in service of the realm, just to launch a clumsy coup attempt while Cersei is still on the throne, sending out letters stating "Jon is a real boy" from underneath Dany's nose?

Sansa learned how to navigate the subtleties of politics king King's landing and from Littlefinger in order to hide in a crypt, and then sneer about the final battle from 1000 miles away?

Jorah sacrificed everything for Dany, only for her to go crazy the next episode and spit on everything he thought of her? Greyworm become a homicidal maniac after being level headed and just all this time?

Jon just limps from scene to scene, whining like a bitch and hoping for another deus ex machina to save him.

Thematic garbage. 

Can we all agree that the writing over the last 3 and half seasons, especially the last 3 episodes, was insultingly bad? Both in terms of logical transitions between scenes, overall narrative, and character development? 

He is the classic class legendary, he should be always be relevant, or at least in some metas. The other class legendaries pop up again in decks, seemingly by design(see king crush with Katarina)

Every meta Cenarius just never seems to make the cut. I often try to jam in to decks where I think he should work, and sometimes he does. But mostly it's because my opponent wasn't expecting Cenarius because no one plays him, or it seems like some other card would work just as well for a fraction of the mana. 

Should Cenarius be buffed?  Maybe one mana reduction? Should better synergy cards be released for it? I actually forgot Keeper Stalladris only worked with spells, so when I realized that, my hopes for Cenarius were once again dashed. 

With Druid's ramp ability nerfed into oblivion, Cenarius seems that much further away from playable. 

Just one season I'd like to see Cenarius core to a top tier deck- do you agree?

the good think about gloop was that you could cheat out high cost spells, but here the best one rotated- UI

 5 wins in a row :) then 3 losses, :(