playing token druid on EU going for my 20-0 game ranked and fucking priest plays turn 1 watcher into a sunfury into wild pyro wipe into defender into another watcher into defender into nova into another wild pyro into another nova blah blah blah you think after clearing both nova's and 2 wild pyros that he dont have anymore aoe's only to have smack down an abomination with almost full board (wipe) only to finally at the end regain control of board with sea giant at 6health left to me only to get mced (predictable but no other options/cards/plays other then instant death)
Ive never seen extreme control druids with this much taunts aoes and control let alone some random scrub rank 13 priest. It was either an account that was ment to troll heavy aggro or he got just got rocked by a few aggro and decided to do this :(
I versed at least 3-4 Hunters and UTH was not as big of a problem as you might think as long we I kept my taunts up and lots of pressure and whenever I could I would generally lust on a Hunter when viable even if not lethal just for minion control. But yes technically Hunter UTH is this decks hard counter in a way.
One thing to remember is this decks whole synergy is mass minion and that includes both sides (sea giant) I remember at least 1 or 2 hunter games they UTH didnt wipe and I got a free Sea Giant which they couldnt deal with ontop of all the other pressure
All that to take in mind it was ranked on a fresh account 25 and I only got to rank 14 (the max I think with 16 games played with everyone a win) I expect the decks and player experience level to vastly change over the next 10 ranks. I expect my 99-100% win ratio to change to something like 70-80ish until around rank 5 (speculation) I will keep you'll in the loop tho Cheers
Made a fresh EU account like 2 days ago (was using friends who has every card) and don't have much card-wise.
This is just a Cheap Shaman deck that got some of its Inspiration from Gyll deck with a few modifications. Might make a few small changes in the future but account has no gold\cards\dust fresh account.
and first 16 games ranked today I truly believe I could probably go to rank 9 or 10 at least before incurring my first single lose ill update how this does as i progress just figured I might give peoples another idea at a " different meta "?
Basically the idea more or less is just get minions out there create pressure and lust even if you dont have lethal just to get damage on the board. I only used Sea Giant because has synergy with the mass minion type style and I he's my only epic :(
Do you have any tips what to do with Earth Elemental? Because now, everywhere I go, I see those Big Game Hunters and Black Knights, which kills my beautiful elemental in a second. What are your experiences with them and do you think of another card to replace him? If yes, what card?
Earth Ele is still fine just try to bait out silences then play an Earth Ele with an Ancestral Spirit.
With the Pagle nerf do you intend to keep it anyway or maybe include Gadgetzan Auctioneer for more card draw or doubling anything like faceless/mana tide/ancestral healing ?
Nah just running another mana tide youcan run Auctioneer just depends on your playstyle
thats prob why i do alot better on the EU realm there is aggro yes but its not like over here where everyone copys a few guys deck and everyones running rey rush warlock or whatever. Rank 10 over here rank 4 over there currently (have not barely played on NA tho since the nerfs and playing a " different deck ")
I feel that shaman must be quite weak in upper brackets as it is almost NEVER played on Twitch. I spend a reasonable amount of time watching Twitch while I'm working on something else and it is extremely rare to see a high (5+) ranked shaman which is unfortunate.
I haven't had much time playing this season so still on rank 12 myself
I am considering the second tide over pagle...I played a few games yesterday with an early pagle and it really didn't feel good...
ill second the pagle change it was always a coin toss on either having mana tide or pagle depending on your deck but now its almost always mana tide
Kudos to you for making good use of a terrible terrible class card, especially with Silence cards still seeing such low play, I think this is a pretty solid deck. That being said, once people come around to replacing Tinkmaster Overspark with Silence cards - not sure how viable this will be.
its holding up solid it does better on the EU realm maybe because the meta is alittle different idk, the trick is trying to trick your oppenent into Silencing certain cards or testing them if they have a silence then doing your gg wtf really just happened combo
Idk one thing i like about this deck is its completely different then most shaman decks so the opponent wont be able to react according.
Most importantly tho it can be tweaked so many different ways according to your playstyle land anything can happen with this deck and its Fun if you enjoyed it give it + rank up and help other people find something different :) cheers
He said, he still run Pagle, if you don't have him, Mana Tide Totem is almost as good as him, but another 3 drop. I could think of Sylvana because of her deathrattle effect, you could steal two minions. Great! For the Earth Elementals I would run Sunwalkers, but that's just my idea.
I have run 2 Sunwalkers they do work good and Sylvana is amazing the problem with this deck is you cant have it all :( if you run too much late game rush just eats you up the trick is finding a balance i am currently experimenting with 2 defending argus (counter rush) and 1 less unbound this deck works well in so many different ways
You run Pagle? Why not Mana Tide? It he still so strong after the nerf? And what about Ancestral healing? Do the Blademasters still make sense then, if the only good way to use them is with ancestral spirit, which is better used on Cairne or the Earth Elementals?
After all, I still love this deck though.
after the patch the updated deck runs 2 mana tide. this was before the Nerf sorry for the confusion just haven't updated I have been MIA for a few days. Got to rank 4 with this deck on EU tonight currently stuck around rank 10 on NA ( but havent played much since post tink/pagle nerf on NA)
yea, i agree the earth elementals are not the anti-aggro measurement of choice since they cripple your manabase for the following turn and on top shamans best midgame play is the fire elemental on turn 6, therefore i would add another one of those. the lavaburst malygos combo as a wincondition is really good, but it comes online too late for the agressive meta we are in at the moment. i would rather rely on a more midgame orientated build, with 2x Argent Commander in place of malygos and a lavaburst. the remaining open slot should be another unbound elemental to really push the midgame, while also allowing to kind of alpha strike after boardwiping with lightning storm.
agree fire ele is prob one of the best minions no reason to never have 2
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playing token druid on EU going for my 20-0 game ranked and fucking priest plays turn 1 watcher into a sunfury into wild pyro wipe into defender into another watcher into defender into nova into another wild pyro into another nova blah blah blah you think after clearing both nova's and 2 wild pyros that he dont have anymore aoe's only to have smack down an abomination with almost full board (wipe) only to finally at the end regain control of board with sea giant at 6health left to me only to get mced (predictable but no other options/cards/plays other then instant death)
Ive never seen extreme control druids with this much taunts aoes and control let alone some random scrub rank 13 priest. It was either an account that was ment to troll heavy aggro or he got just got rocked by a few aggro and decided to do this :(
/end of rage rant
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I versed at least 3-4 Hunters and UTH was not as big of a problem as you might think as long we I kept my taunts up and lots of pressure and whenever I could I would generally lust on a Hunter when viable even if not lethal just for minion control. But yes technically Hunter UTH is this decks hard counter in a way.
One thing to remember is this decks whole synergy is mass minion and that includes both sides (sea giant) I remember at least 1 or 2 hunter games they UTH didnt wipe and I got a free Sea Giant which they couldnt deal with ontop of all the other pressure
All that to take in mind it was ranked on a fresh account 25 and I only got to rank 14 (the max I think with 16 games played with everyone a win) I expect the decks and player experience level to vastly change over the next 10 ranks. I expect my 99-100% win ratio to change to something like 70-80ish until around rank 5 (speculation) I will keep you'll in the loop tho Cheers
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If anyone has tried to give me your Feedback be curious to know how other people fair.
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Made a fresh EU account like 2 days ago (was using friends who has every card) and don't have much card-wise.
This is just a Cheap Shaman deck that got some of its Inspiration from Gyll deck with a few modifications. Might make a few small changes in the future but account has no gold\cards\dust fresh account.
Here is an Image of the deck
http://i.imgur.com/pBwCwZG.png
and first 16 games ranked today I truly believe I could probably go to rank 9 or 10 at least before incurring my first single lose ill update how this does as i progress just figured I might give peoples another idea at a " different meta "?
http://i.imgur.com/3xXrf6e.png
Basically the idea more or less is just get minions out there create pressure and lust even if you dont have lethal just to get damage on the board. I only used Sea Giant because has synergy with the mass minion type style and I he's my only epic :(
My main constructed Deck on NA is " Ancestral Might " (slightly expensive)
http://www.hearthpwn.com/decks/34996-shaman-ancestral-might-deck
Cheers and good luck yall
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Earth Ele is still fine just try to bait out silences then play an Earth Ele with an Ancestral Spirit.
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Nah just running another mana tide youcan run Auctioneer just depends on your playstyle
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thats prob why i do alot better on the EU realm there is aggro yes but its not like over here where everyone copys a few guys deck and everyones running rey rush warlock or whatever. Rank 10 over here rank 4 over there currently (have not barely played on NA tho since the nerfs and playing a " different deck ")
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ill second the pagle change it was always a coin toss on either having mana tide or pagle depending on your deck but now its almost always mana tide
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its holding up solid it does better on the EU realm maybe because the meta is alittle different idk, the trick is trying to trick your oppenent into Silencing certain cards or testing them if they have a silence then doing your gg wtf really just happened combo
Idk one thing i like about this deck is its completely different then most shaman decks so the opponent wont be able to react according.
Most importantly tho it can be tweaked so many different ways according to your playstyle land anything can happen with this deck and its Fun if you enjoyed it give it + rank up and help other people find something different :) cheers
I have run 2 Sunwalkers they do work good and Sylvana is amazing the problem with this deck is you cant have it all :( if you run too much late game rush just eats you up the trick is finding a balance i am currently experimenting with 2 defending argus (counter rush) and 1 less unbound this deck works well in so many different ways
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after the patch the updated deck runs 2 mana tide. this was before the Nerf sorry for the confusion just haven't updated I have been MIA for a few days. Got to rank 4 with this deck on EU tonight currently stuck around rank 10 on NA ( but havent played much since post tink/pagle nerf on NA)
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they are both good im sticking with unbound tho
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im going double mana but its hard to say i might drop one for Gradgetzan, def not keeping pagle
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agree fire ele is prob one of the best minions no reason to never have 2
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Updated March 10 2014 any feedback would be great cheers ::P
HUGE Tinkmaster nerf giving this deck a massive buff next patch.
http://hearthstone.blizzpro.com/2014/03/10/nerfs-coming-for-tinkmaster-overspark-nat-pagle/
No longer will we have to worry about our Earth Elementals getting polyed nearly as much after buffing it with Ancestral Spirit !!!!!