Hearthpwn

Quote from Liam3Bucks >>

This seriously scares me in Pirate Warrior. 

 ....it shouldn't

Based on the comments I'm seeing, this will be the single most underrated card of the set by far.  None of the forms are great by themselves, but they are all situationally strong and cover a lot of different situations.  This never sits in your hand. 

Quote from 4Mansion >>

All of the options are pretty bad except the rush I guess. People overrate flexibility as always. 

 You mean people underrate flexibility as always.

Counter to your opinion.  If you have to announce to people on Hearthpwn that you are leaving, you probably aren't leaving.  If you don't like a game, don't play that game.  If you like a game, but it is starting to wear a little thin, take a break.  Just do it.  Don't act like you are some hero for quitting. 

Without commenting too much on the power of the card, I will say that a good player makes the RNG of this card tilt in their favor based on the situation.  If you can't make the discover skew in your favor, that would be your own fault.  This card is the right kind of RNG. 

Also, to those comparing this card to Harbinger Celestia, learn the game. This card isn't going to make its way to the meta unless you do get 2 cards, but it is by no means trash.  This would have been played in a number of metas.  

Quote from jaxson_bateman >>

Legitimately worse than Boogeymonster.

 Not even remotely close.  This card is a yeti with a small upside.  Yeti's just aren't relevant anymore.  Boogeymonster was a big stats win condition that cost 8 mana, was way too difficult to setup properly, and would have been better as an 8/9 with no ability (which still would have been  worse than this card by a mile).

It's interesting, but probably not good enough. 

I understand the concern, but mage and paladin are very different classes and ice block and this card a very functionally different.  I'm willing to give it a shot. 

He just failed a difficult combo.  Chill your tits.

This card doubles the effects of your spells in mage.  I made it 7 mana which is possibly a bit heavy, but adding this to mage can be dangerous so it makes sense.  This card alone helps underpowered cards like Greater Arcane Missiles and Unexpected Results become a lot stronger, but doesn't encourage traditional burn or combos so as to keep things from getting out of hand.  Card draw is amplified quite a bit as well and AOE gets a nice boost as well.  This card could also help enable a mill mage with Research Project .

Those complaining don't know what they're talking about.  Refer yourself to some actual statistics at hsreplay.net

META

Tier 1 - Win Rate

Even Paladin - 59.44%

Spiteful Druid - 58.40%

Odd Paladin - 58.35%

Tier 2 - Win Rate

Cube Warlock - 56.18%

Secret Paladin - 55.33%

Spiteful Priest - 53.88%

Zoo Warlock - 53.63%

Quest Rogue - 53.46%

Quest Warrior - 52.83%

Odd Rogue - 52.82%

Control Priest - 52.62%

Tempo Mage - 52.29%

Miracle Rogue - 51.69%

Big Spell Mage - 51.48%

Tempo Rogue - 50.63%

Spell Hunter - 50.16%

That's a shit ton of tier 2 decks.  Wait until some lists are fine-tuned until you declare this expansion figured out.  Maybe you're just stuck in the wrong place on the ladder where you're only seeing paladin and spiteful decks, but I've seen plenty of these others lately.

There's also five Tier 3 decks with win percentages about 48%+ ... Taunt Druid, Midrange Hunter, Control Warlock, Rush Warrior, Odd Hunter.

Yeah, this is a soft counter to the Mecha'thun decks.  If you load the opponents deck with a bunch of bombs and they are drawing like mad, then they could potentially kill themselves and never get to their combo.

And if you offer threats on the board too, they have to both remove your recurring damage in the form of minions AND keep themselves healed enough not to die from the bombs.

It's not a true counter though but this is good that the Bomb deck exists to offer some chance against OTK decks.

To all the people expressing fear over this, I don't see why an aggro deck would use this weapon. It's good for midrange and control builds, especially since it can replace Blood Razor at the 4-slot, though we'll have to see if it's good enough to replace Sul'thraze or Supercollider.

That said, I'm excited to use this in a Control Warrior deck. Those bomb damages could be huge in helping you grind your opponent down. 

Wow, what a wall of text. Diamond, you don't seem to grasp that having a minion with vanilla stats in your deck is a downside. When you put in a tech card, you're replacing something that would further your own game plan with something that will sometimes counter some of your opponents' game plans instead. Again, your idea of tech cards absolutely having to destroy your neutral match-up when drawn is very poorly suited for Hearthstone's ladder format.

Big Game Hunter can not be considered a tech card, just like shadow word: death isn't a tech. Their conditions are so broad, they are large removal, not tech. But yeah, the original BGH was too strong... What's your point?

You... Hope I start getting the point? Dude. I get your point 100%, even though your ridiculous BGH strawman isn't helping it. You're absolutely right in many cases, just not in the case of Hearthstone's ranked ladder format, because it's a best-of-one random matchup.

In a best-of-three format, perhaps even with sideboards? Sign me up for Eater of Secrets, for sure!

Tech cards of the design you're suggesting makes the best-of-one ladder format more about reading the meta, predicting what you're likely to meet and playing a statistically significant amount of games, and less about playing your individual matches well. A card like Eater of Secrets is super polarizing because both it's upside and downside are too much. Having the right tech card should give you the upper hand, not hand you the victory. Having the wrong tech card should put you at a disadvantage, but not give you a dead draw.

Might just be me, but I like it better when games are decided by skillful play in each match than by whether or not you draw the right fringe card for the random matchup.

I've not once said that I wanted a tech card with no downside, that's just you and your strawman. I've repeatedly said the opposite, you just keep misrepresenting my argument. But since you refuse to acknowledge more dimensions to card design beyond a balanced meta game, I don't see the point of continuing this discussion.

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Got it, so you're a casual player, which means your input has no value in card balance discussions.

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Quote from cluelesspug >>

If Rebuke sees regular play, I'll eat my shoe. It's a bad card.

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 Prepare to eat it then. Rebuke it is not good. It is op. It is a win condition at two mana. 

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Quote from cluelesspug >>

If Rebuke sees regular play, I'll eat my shoe. It's a bad card.

 

 Be prepared then. Against warlock this is amazing. Turn 6 the warlock already cleared the board once and only a couple of dudes are on the board and by sheer luck theres no voidlord summoned, ur enemy is at around 10 health ready to heal. U have some kind of dudes summoning like lost in the jungle u play rebuke and use divine favour which draws u tarim or level up. Next turn for ur opponent is at 6 mana with or without coin. If he has coin and defile then gg but if not then he cant do shit not even dark pact.  U play lvl up or tarim next and its 12 damage to face. Get it now?

Edit: Lol i forgot that coin would cost more too which goes into my thought process even better 

This is why people need to be more patient before automatically writing off an expansion as garbage after seeing 7 cards out of 135.