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are you stupid? this is just plain dumb

 How constructive

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I've seen in response to nerf suggestions people say something like that card isn't even good. But people request nerfs because the card causes them to not have as much fun. Most of the time what causes people to not have fun is losing, because no one likes to lose, which is why powerful cards are often called on to be nerfed. But on the rarer occasions where people consistently request a nerf on relatively weak card, that tends to show that something is off with the design of the card, rather than the power level. While there will always be people complaining about some card being too good, what should be avoided if possible are cards that upset players even when they win.

 This is true, but you still have to be careful since just because some people make a lot of noise, that does not mean their views represent the majority of players. 

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 You all keep saying that "things lose value over time," but that's absolutely not true. SOME of the old cards are essentially valueless, but that's true of new cards as well. Every expansion has pack filler. But the good cards in Wild are still very valuable. Reno, Kazakus, Guldan, Anduin, Loatheb, and others still are tremendously valuable. So why should you get these valuable cards for free when others have paid good money or dust for them? 

As others have mentioned, the notion that Wild decks are very expensive is simply not true. There seems to be this vision that Wild decks consist of 27 legendaries and 3 spells. That's just not true. Building a Wild deck doesn't need to be expensive. Sure, there are wallet decks, but that's true of Standard right now as well. Rush Warrior isn't cheap: the version currently on Tempostorm costs over 16k. The most expensive Tier 1 deck in Wild right now is probably Reno Priest, which "only" costs 14k, but the other ones run between 4 and 7k dust and use a sizable number of Standard cards.

Sure, if you want to create some bizarre niche deck, it's going to cost you (whether in Standard or Wild). But quite frankly that's a luxury that you SHOULD have to pay for. Lots of f2p players can't afford every Standard card. Why should anyone be entitled to doing so in Wild is beyond me.

 Because it IS wild.. and MUCH less popular "red-headed stepchild"  of game modes. Standard being the main mode makes spending 16k of dust worth it because it is the current and most popular set of cards being used. Spending anywhere near that for wild decks is supremely wasteful to many players (and probably a huge majority of new players) that would just like to dabble in Wild now and again. This problem only gets worse the more expansions move to wild.  Thrift store modes should have thrift store prices. 

If you don't really want to pay money to go to a theatre you wait until the movie comes to Netflix right? Do you complain when movies hit Netflix and everyone can watch them because you went to the theatre and spent $20 on it? Obviously not a perfect analogy... but point being things that were worth money months/years ago shouldn't always hold that value/exclusiveness.

Speaking as someone who ladders on Wild and plays whatever deck I feel like and can afford in Standard, believe me when I say that the vast majority of dedicated Wild players could not care less whether the "cool kids" from Standard come over to play with us. So the idea that you're doing us a favor by hanging out at the "thrift shop" is a joke. As I've said before, the Wild meta is more diverse, more challenging and more interesting than the snooze-fest that is Standard right now. ("Oh good, another no-minion Mage." Yawn.) Put bluntly, Wild is better than Standard right now and has been for a long time. So you want to escape a crappy meta AND be rewarded with free cards for the privilege? Hell, no.

To use your movie analogy, I don't expect people to pay the same watching a movie on Netflix as I did in the theater. But they damn well SHOULD have to pay for it. 

 Who said that standard players are the "cool kids" that are doing you a favour by hanging out with you? Based on your argument it rather sounds like you believe that wild players are the "cool kids" who wants to be left alone.

And it does not sound like you understand the movie analogy. You do pay for Netflix, you just pay less.

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Well, I hope the game gets cheaper, but when I read this posts here and the greed of the people arguing against refunds just because they know those will make it less likely for their idea to become reality, not because they think it’s unfair (which they still pretend to do) I really don’t care if you are able to play wild.
also: why should the opinions of people not possessing wild cards even play a role in the discussion about refunds? And where is the discussion about making standard cheaper for wild players to get in? Because that’s expensive, lots of cards that will be useless in two years and that you don’t own because they are too bad to play in wild? 

And lastly: this discussion is completely senseless, even without refunds it will not happen, because why should anyone play standard (where blizz makes the most money) when it’s double the price?

here is just a group of people wanting free stuff because they made the mistake to play standard when the rotations started.

why don’t complain about the overall price of the game? Why is it that dusting a card only grants a quarter of the dust regardless of the format? 
and lastly: when they half the cost of wild cards, they will for sure also half the amount of dust you get from dusting them. Which will make it even more unfair.

nice whataboutism with the price increase idea, which is completely different and not possible, because people with 0 dust would be rewarded.

Yea nothing will most likely happen, but it can still be interesting to have the discussion and see if it exists interest.  If everyone had your attitude nothing would ever change in the world.

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Yes they do. If they crafted it today for 1600, they lost 800 dust 

 Okey, but what if, hypothetically, if the cards of "old players" still dust for 1600. So old players do not get dust, but their cards keep their dust value, would that feel better? 

One thing that confuses me is that I have seen some wild players in the chat that says that it is unfeasible to get all cards, it is too expensive and takes too much work. Does that not mean that a lowered cost would benefit a lot of wild players as well? Like most wild players still want to get more cards right? (not all of course)

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No this shouldn’t happen.  Y’all are so entitled it’s ridiculous.  Why should old players that kept the cards they invested in be fucked over because new players want to get everything immediately for free? Wild isn’t even that expensive anyway unless you literally want to play every deck in the format! Which is just absurd but i wouldn’t be surprised that’s what some of the people here think they deserve...

why don’t you idk work up your collection like everyone else had to?

 In what way would old players get fucked over? It is not affecting your cards. 

 It’s a major “fuck you” to the time and investment i made in the game. I just don’t see why new players can’t work to get a wild collection.  I started playing during the witchwood so I didn’t have all the old cards before then either.  I decided that i wanted to play wild so that’s what i started working towards. It was actually very rewarding slowly getting cards like loatheb, thaurrisan, malganis etc.    what I’m saying is if new people all of the sudden get those cards much easier than i had to simply cause they want it now: then it was all just a big fucking waste of time.  

 I really do not understand your argument. Why would it be a waste of time? Because people got it easier? how does that affect your cards or your experiences throughout the game. 

 Well i guess we gotta agree to disagree then lol

i could settle for a compromise though. If new players get free shit than i want free shit too. Half dust compensation for my wild collection! >:)  that way it’ll be easier for ME to get into standard.  Fair? 

 Yea sure why would i not want you to get dust. I doubt Blizzard will want to but why would I not. Most people would probably see it as a positive thing that players get it easier, instead of being frustrated that other people get stuff.

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No this shouldn’t happen.  Y’all are so entitled it’s ridiculous.  Why should old players that kept the cards they invested in be fucked over because new players want to get everything immediately for free? Wild isn’t even that expensive anyway unless you literally want to play every deck in the format! Which is just absurd but i wouldn’t be surprised that’s what some of the people here think they deserve...

why don’t you idk work up your collection like everyone else had to?

 In what way would old players get fucked over? It is not affecting your cards. 

 It’s a major “fuck you” to the time and investment i made in the game. I just don’t see why new players can’t work to get a wild collection.  I started playing during the witchwood so I didn’t have all the old cards before then either.  I decided that i wanted to play wild so that’s what i started working towards. It was actually very rewarding slowly getting cards like loatheb, thaurrisan, malganis etc.    what I’m saying is if new people all of the sudden get those cards much easier than i had to simply cause they want it now: then it was all just a big fucking waste of time.  

 I really do not understand your argument. Why would it be a waste of time? Because people got it easier? how does that affect your cards or your experiences throughout the game. 

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No this shouldn’t happen.  Y’all are so entitled it’s ridiculous.  Why should old players that kept the cards they invested in be fucked over because new players want to get everything immediately for free? Wild isn’t even that expensive anyway unless you literally want to play every deck in the format! Which is just absurd but i wouldn’t be surprised that’s what some of the people here think they deserve...

why don’t you idk work up your collection like everyone else had to?

 In what way would old players get fucked over? It is not affecting your cards. 

This comment gives me hope!
Thanks

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No way.  That is so unfair to old players. I had to pay full price for my old cards and I didn’t dust them because i wanted to play wild. New players or players that CHOSE to disenchant their old cards for standard shouldn’t immediately be able to get the old cards easier just cause they want to. That’s so entitled. 
Work up your collection like everyone else had to!

 Man you are going to hate the real life.
stuff lose value, just because you payed full price when it was more valuable does not mean that you are entitled to be guaranteed compensation if the price drops. It is another story if they actually change the card, because then your product is changed by them.

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5. why should you get the cards for free / cheaper for which other people (like myself) spent time and money because they decided to play wild long time ago? Then you need to refund Every Single wild card someone owns before changing the cost (at least the difference) 

 

 While you are correct, it is nothing new with stuff losing value over time. 
I used to play mtg, and old cards lost value, and some gained value (physical cards so a different I know). I personally do not understand why the fact that someone spent resources to get something a long time ago means that they are guaranteed the same value a few years later. It's not like the cards are disappearing from the players that already has them or that the stats are changed. So why should they even refund? They will do it because the player base would get mad otherwise, but there is no logic behind it.

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Why should wild cards be cheaper? They aren’t less powerful than new cards, furthermore wild isn’t expensive (secret mage is about 4.3 k dust and one of the best decks in the format). Standard cards are also wild cards per Definition, and many of them see play there. Switching to wild (which I recommend from personal experience) is not expensive, it’s most of the time even cheaper then building a new standard deck.  Also, only the best new cards see play, there is no need to craft cards that will be bad as soon as the next set drops

 Well you can say this but not every player is like you. It’s easy to get into Wild if your intention is purely to craft a strong deck and try to hit Legend but what about if players want to get into Wild in order to experiment with old cards and test out cool decks?

You cannot do that with a bare collection. And building a Wild collection from scratch costs an unreasonable amount of money.

 Agreed, its not about winning its more about the options.
If I only want one deck that wins, then I might just as well play standard. But at the same time, thats just my personal inclination.

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making wild cheaper is not going to get me to play wild nor will it make it less boring. This poll is garbage the people who voted yes. Probably love mill rez priest and secret mage lmao.

 I hope your life gets better. No one that makes a post like this can have a healthy lifestyle. Kinda feel sad for you.

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Well, the point of Wild is to play OLD cards and decks. So, "Wild" and "new player" are pretty much an oxymoron IMO.

 But still is it not weird to have a game mode kinda exclusively for "old players". I'm not saying that new players should get all cards for free, absolutely not. Just that it could be worth it to make it easier to get them. Would it not also be good for the format, revitalize it by introducing more players. Additionally, even if I play for 2 more years, then I'm kinda an old player since its a game, I will still not have the cards for wild since I only will have the expansions during these 2 years.

I'm a quite new player, I enjoy Hearthstone but i often get tired of playing standard (and classic). Wild seems fun but so out of reach if you have not played for years. Hoping that Blizzard maybe can come up with some way to ease the transition into wild I have created this poll to see if there is any interest for this.
Feel free to leave suggestions and thoughts, who knows maybe blizzard will at least start thinking about it if they see a chance to make money.