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I have had luck with plant miracle rouge against every deck especially quest rouge.

3 cards per turn wouldnt totally kill the auctioneer i dont think.  no other class uses it to draw more than about 2-3 cards per turn unless you are seeing these gimick decks like miracle druid or miracle warrior.   those decks aren't really that good anyway and probably will never be able to shift the whole meta.  if the rouge's spells costed a little more mana then they wouldnt be able to abuse the auctioneer so bad.  it really doesnt matter if you nerf rouge or auctioneer because all that will happen is everyone will shift to the warlock handlock to use leeroy/power overwhelming/faceless manipulator or play shaman and do otk's with windfury.  mages can otk as well.  One turn kills are always gonna be a part of this game.  people are going to uncover them and there is nothing we can do to stop that.  the only thing you can do is learn to counter it.  i agree that we shouldnt even cry nerf for any card till after naxx hits too.  there may be totally OP cards in that set.  wait and see

i always run owl in my zoo deck.  i run owl and black knight and black knight is a dead card in hand more than he is used.  if you face alot of druids and handlock then run TBK. if you are not facing those then take him out.  i always run 1 argent commander too.  its charge and he trades 2 for 1 always.  i also dont run the mortal coils.  i run abusive seargents instead.  if you play zoo you should b able to use abusive seargent and dark iron to trade up on a big taunt like a ancient of war and use the owl for the second.  there will b games when you face 2 druid of the claw and 2 ancient of war on what seems like consecutive turns.  you will probably lose that match just chalk it up to the druid having a god hand and lick your wounds and continue on grinding. in my opinion, zoo isnt a viable option in the lower ranks anyway.  i got to rank 9 with the zoo easily and then s.  witched to shaman burst.  it all depends really.  not many people take just one deck all the way to legend anyways.  use a few decks.

speed ur your deck up and use minions with 4 attack.  do not buff your minions above 4 attack.  kno that holy nova costs 5 mana and can be played on turn 4 with the coin.  play around it.  kill the northshire priestess immediately.  personally i hate playing priests.  i play zoo and i kill them quickly but with other decks i despise playing a priest because who wants to play a match that lasts 30 minutes or more and you lose because the priest is playing with your cards.  that pisses me off more than anything.  i think that thoughtsteal and mind vision should b banned from hearthstone.  when i am grinding gold in casual i concede to priests just for the simple fact that i think anduin and all his cards are gay as hell and i refuse to waste my time with match that goes to turn 20+

way i see it is the game is free.  ive logged hundreds of hours on this game.  i spent about 80$ in 20$ increments since beta.  i think it was worth it.  i got 3 legendaries like that and a ton of cards i needed.  the last 15 packs i bought just got me about 800 dust from all the golden cards i got.  i think its totally worth buying about 40-80$ in cards.  if you were to buy a game to play for ps3 or ps4 it would cost you 60$ and you probably wouldnt even play it as long as this.  totally worth gettin a few cards for real money.  i wouldnt advise spending much more than that because you end up getting doubles alot and the rate that legendaries drop for me is about every 20-30 packs so it is a good possibility you will get nothing you want.  it is a great way to build up dust tho when you get a large collection going.  it took me a month to craft the black knight by grinding quests and gold and playing arena.  if i could make more than 100 gold per day from grinding out wins i wouldnt have spent as much money on it.  blizz only lets you get 100 gold a day and then wutever your quest is.  if you dont have alot of time to grind and want to play competitively then i advise spending a few bucks.  i dont care wut anyone says about you dont need epics or legendaries to win.  yes you do need some top tier cards to win.  the people who say you dont are the ones that have all the cards they need.  the only people that take basic decks to legend are pros and most of them dont even do it.  they at least start a new account and open a few packs, get lucky with a couple rares/epics, and then grind the ladder.  if your opponent has access to all the cards and you do not then that puts you at a disadvantage no matter how you slice it

go to youtube and twitch tv website and watch trumpsc and some of the pros play.  i had the same problem when i first started back in beta.    google arena card rankings as well.  icyveins.com has good rankings.  also liquidhearth.com has great arena card rankings.  all classes have commons, rares, epics, and legendaries ranked for the specific classes.  the rankings go from like poor all the way to excellent.  draft a few decks using that site and you will get the feel for what cards are great in arena.  lots of cards that are terrible in constructed are badass in arena.  venture co. mercenary for ex.   also do the vanillia test on a minion.  if its a 1 mana minion then it should be 2/1.  if its a 2 mana minion it should be 3/2 and if its a 3 mana minion it should be at least 3/3.  for 4 drops and higher the minions combined stats should be double tha mana cost. for example a 5 mana minion should b at least a 5/5 having 10 points in total stats therefore passing the vanillia test.  Play lots of control in arena.  CLEAR THE BOARD!!!!  i cannot stress this enough.  keep the board clean at all costs and go for face only when you have complete board control.   practice that and you will learn when to make the decision to rush the opponent down vs. playing total control.  Just because a minion doesnt see any action in constructed doesnt mean it sux in arena.  mind control tech for ex is a great great arena minion.  it passes the vanillia test and its battlecry can swing a lost game back into your favor.  i personally think the best classes to play in arena are mage first because of the hero power and the hard removal it has.  then the druid shaman and the paladin.  some people rate tha pally as high as mage because he is able to pump minions onto the board at will.  those are my favorite classes to use in arena.  i havnt played rouge, warlock, priest that much in arena.  i have gotten 7 wins with warrior and hunter before but i do the best with the mage, shaman, druid, and the pally.    just watch youtube videos and live twitchtv streams of arena play and i promise you will get better instantly by watching the pros and how they play.  also i try to get a few games in constructed before i jump into arena.  just to get warmed up.  misplays in arena cost you bigtime since there can only be 3 losses and the prizes are so great.  if you can get 7 wins you will get 4 prizes and most of the time you get enough gold to pay for another arena play.  i hope this helps.  it helped me greatly when i was new to hearthstone.

WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Anything that brings up doubts between it and a fire elemental can be considered absoulutely broken in my book"  hahahah WELL SAID!!!!  I totally agree

leeroy doesnt make or break a rush deck.  no rush deck is build around leeroy jenkins.  all rush decks are built around small creatures that trade efficiently and have very good battle cries and/or abilities.  the best aggro rush deck out there, "the zoo"  doesnt even run leeroy.  aggro decks are all that people really play now anyway especially in the beginning ranks.  its sad really.  its like playing solitare because all you do is go face face face.  want to make hearthstone better???  blizz needs to make an aoe for every class that is cheap and insanely efficiant.  swipe doesnt do it for druid.  flamestrike is too costly.  lightning storm cripples your next turn.  arcane explosion isnt strong enough.   brawl is a good one for warrior.  hellfire is good for warlock somewhat.  avenging wrath for pally is too slow and relies too much on rng.  holy nova is too slow.  hunter doesnt even have an aoe unless you count unleash the hounds and that only works well if you have hunter marks.  leeroy is fine.  its nothing wrong with leeroy. i have gotten beaten with leeroy before like everyone else.  i dont lose to leeroy all that much.  all this fuss about him is not warrented.  i play hearthstone about 5 hours per day.  i play more on the weekends and have been playing since beta. i get beaten by way more things that leeroy jenkins.  everyone needs to wait till the expansion hits.  things will shake up then.  the hearthstone card pool is so small right now you cannot help but use the same cards as the opponent.  i think everyone is getting tired of seeing the same old decks and this is where all this fuss is stemming from.  its not gonna chang even if leeroy gets nerfed.  all that will happen is another card will take his place and will piss you off everytime you lose to it.  this will happen over and over and over again until blizzard gets a large enough card pool to where not many people will be playing with the same deck archtype.  lets stop asking for nerfs and start playing to win people.  we cant nerf every good card.  wut wud be the point in playing the game if everytime there is a great deck all you have to do is fuss and cry to blizz to nerf it?? why not try to find a way to beat it instead??

you can do the faright with auctioneer now and 0 mana lava burst.  that doesnt mean we need to nerf leeroy.  leeroy needs to be buffed to kill ancients of war or things like that.  is this what everyone is gonna do when a card becomes a staple in decks??  cry to nerf it?  seems like it because pagle and tinkmaster met the same demise.  y not just use the cards the way they are and try to counter them.   if you cant apply enough pressure by turn 10 to make the opponent use parts of his otk then you need to adjust your deck to fit this current meta we are in.  this game will be ruined if we keep trying to have cards nerfed.  just remember that once you overthrow leeroy's throne it will be another wwaiting in line to take his place.  play to win and stop being scrubs whining about cards being op.  you have the same access to the same cards as everyone else.  use them to your advantage instead of crying nerf. PLEASE people dont ruin this amazing game.

Finally someone with some sense on these forums.  thank you for agreeing with me.  i feel like the lone ranger in here.  What is the difference in doin 20+ damage on turn 10 and doing 20+ damage over the course of 10 turns??  NONE!!!  i dont cry when i take 25 damage over 10 turns.  its the same thing.  if you take it on turn 10 or you take it over the course of 10 turns. speed your deck up. i welcome all of you who are crying for nerf to play my miracle rouge with the zoo and see how many times i lose.  i played miracle rouge over 2 months ago. way before it became popular and i dont like the deck.  i think my shaman deck and my handlock or zoo decks are way more consistaant.

also,  have you seen the crys about the new cards rebirth and duplicate being OP???  the dam cards havent came out yet and people are crying about them.  its the same people saying leeroy and auctioneer need nerfs.  leeroy doesnt need a nerf.  he would be a useless card.  i did 28 damage with my warrior the other day.  i had an upgraded gorehowl and a warsong commander and 2 bloodsail raiders.  that is 28 to the face for7 mana that turn.  i dont hear cries about that.  all this is is a bunch of haters and sore losers complaining cuz they are losing.  instead of trying to use counter measures people cry for blizz to nerf something.  and if blizzard nerfed pagle and tink because everyone was using them then blizz is pretty stupid.  tink was hard removal for everyone and pagle was just op and the hearthstone match became a sub-game "kill the pagle" .  normally whoever killed the pagle first or got the better draws off it won the mirror matches especially with druid.  anyway that is off topic.  point is we dont need to nerf anything except maybe preperation.

LOL!!! ive seen it too.  its sooo funny when they just shuffle their cards and sit there looking baffled   baaaahahahahhahahahahah

there is nothing wrong with leeroy.  he is legendary.  he is supposed to be a great card.  a 5 mana leeroy would make arcane golem a better choice.  he cannot be nerfed without rendering him totally useless.  the only way to nerf leeroy would be to this minion dies after he attacks or this minion can only be summoned once.  even that is really killing him.  there are alwways going to be ways to deal out massive damage in one turn.  wut is the difference in doing 20+ damage on turn 10 or doing 20+ damage over 10 turns.  i stand by this statement to the bitter end.  if you cannot apply enough pressure on your opponent by turn 10 to make him use a few of the cards that are part of his combo then its your fault you lose.  you misplayed or got a bad draw.  something went wrong.  hearthstone is fine.  i wish everyone would stop crying for nerf at least until after Naxx hits.  there are already people crying about the new naxx cards being OP and they have yet to even be played in one hearthstone match.  these are the same people crying to nerf leeroy and auctioneer.  miracle rouge isnt as op as everyone makes it out to be.  im telling you.  play miracle rouge with a mage with ice block and watch and laugh at the rouge that tries to OTK you with leeroy and shadowstep.  use a flamestrike on the auctioneer.  play with an aggro hunter and run 2 snipes.  that will put a damper on a miracle rouge in a heartbeat.  they will have to play around those cards and that will make the the miracle rouge live up to its name.  it will b a miracle when it wins!!!!  lets try to find counter measures instead of asking for nerfs.  i hear no one saying preperation needs to be nerfed.  that is one of the most OP cards in this game.  its a spell that costs 0 mana.  it makes the next spell you cast cost 3 LESS.  that is the sole reason the auctioneer is able to be abused.  that and backstab. 

i hate to hear people talk about nerfing the auctioneer or leeroy.  both cards would be rendered literally useless.  if the auctioneer only nets one card wut is the use of it for a 5 drop.  id rather cycle a loot hoarder than waste my turn 5 on an auctioneer that can only net me one card.  its the rouge's low casting cost spells like prep that make the auctioneer a card that is on the borderline of being OP.  that said the cards that need to be in the nerf conversation are the rouge spells not the auctioneer. maybe prep needs to cost 1 mana.  how many times to do you see an auctioneer being abused without prep??  hardly ever.  and if you can abuse an auctioneer without prep then any other class can do it as well.  that means the playing field is equal.  i dont lose to miracle rouge anymore than i lose to the zoo or control warrior or any of the top tier hearthstone decks.  its the player that is playing the cards not the cards themselves.  Oh and read a post on this thread that was calling for nerf for the new NaXX card rebirth.  i mean come on man.  the card hasnt come out yet and already people are crying about it.  like i said earlier stop being scrubs and play to win.  the scrub is the person who says this is cheap or that is cheap.  the scrub has already lost the game before it ever began because he is confined to his own closed mind about wut should be played and what he deems unworthy of being played.  just because you dont play with a certian type of deck and that deck whips up on you doesnt mean we need to get the almighty nerf hammer and start beating cards with it.  come on people.  if you hate it that bad go buy you a deck of 52 and go play solitare and cheat to win.  seriously.  ima stop reading these rediculous threads crying for nerf and i hope blizzard is looking at this garbage and shaking their head.  find another way to win at the game.  PLAY TO WIN.  if not play something else. either way like i said before stop trying to ruin a great game

there is no need to nerf anything because everyone uses the card.  wwe have to keep in mind that this game is brand new.  the card pool is so small we all HAVE to generally use the same cards

OMG    first its auctioneer now its leeroy.  do you people ever quit crying about nerfing cards.  leeroy jenkins is totally fine the way he is right now.  a 6/2 charge for 4 and he is legendary.  there is no way to nerf leeroy without rendering him useless.  im so sick of hearing about OTK's too.  how many times do you get 27+ damage done to you in one turn??  it takes 10 mana to do that kind of damage and a collection of cards to go along with the ten mana.  Speed up your decks for this OTK meta we have going on right now.  i run my shaman deck and i demolish miracle rouges with windfury.  i run my zoo deck and i demolish miracle rouges with aggro.  hunter aggro and pally aggro will do the same.  i just wish everyone would stop crying for the nerf hammer to brought down on cards instead of trying to counter the combo that is killing you.  every 5-6 weeks the meta shifts. just wait it out and there will be a new type of deck.  everyone wants to cry nerf instead of trying to find an in-game solution tho.  that is easier.  stop being scrubs and play the game to win.  dont let blizzard win the game for you by crying to them to nerf cards.  my favorite class is hunter and UTH is about the only card i agree that was way too strong.  even the nerf to nat pagle was rediculous in my eyes.  you all have the same option to play these so called BROKEN cards.  y not use the great cards yourself instead of begging blizz to nerf them.  ill be willing to bet that the main people crying about nerfing cards are the ones who do not have them.  get on the damn game and grind gold to get packs to disenchant cards to dust like i do every single day.  if you dont have time to do that then spend real money.  if you dont have the time or the money then find another game.  either way STOP WHINING AND COMPLAINING BECAUSE YOU ARE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE RUINING THE GAME I LOVE