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Stop telling us how to percept and feel about this bullshit game. You sound like one of those early counter strike aimbotters who claimed there are no cheats and you just need to get better. I even wasted precious dust and crafted expensive druid cards to counter that shit. ANd i really hate playing druid. And guess what. TWO questmages so far, the rest where HARDCOUNTERS for my druid. Yeah yeah, just random, i dont have enough samples, do you even know how statistic works, get gud, blah blah. Tada, and then i switch back to my own selfmade deck,.. .quest mage and warlocks are back. Yeah yeah.

 Funny how that works, right?  I've tried quest druid for roughly 10 matches and all but 2 have been against decks which played taunt minions in some way shape or form. 

Nearly every other game with any other deck has been against a mage or quest warlock

8 out of my 10 games were against Quest Mage, so my Quest Warlock never stood a chance. I switched to Quest Zoo Lock (who is slightly favored against Mage) and guess what, 9 Handbuff Paladins in a row... Not saying it's rigged or anything, but this is exactly what happens, when your game is not balanced around strategy, where any deck can compete with any deck on equal terms, but rather around matchups, where you are favored or unfavored by coin flip...

 The last sentence is the exact problem we have. In the old days you could win, even when you were unfavoured and you could tech some cards to even improve your chances. Today the matchups are mostly decided if you see, what you're opponent is playing

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Stop telling us how to percept and feel about this bullshit game. You sound like one of those early counter strike aimbotters who claimed there are no cheats and you just need to get better. I even wasted precious dust and crafted expensive druid cards to counter that shit. ANd i really hate playing druid. And guess what. TWO questmages so far, the rest where HARDCOUNTERS for my druid. Yeah yeah, just random, i dont have enough samples, do you even know how statistic works, get gud, blah blah. Tada, and then i switch back to my own selfmade deck,.. .quest mage and warlocks are back. Yeah yeah.

 Funny how that works, right?  I've tried quest druid for roughly 10 matches and all but 2 have been against decks which played taunt minions in some way shape or form. 

Nearly every other game with any other deck has been against a mage or quest warlock

 Be careful what you imply about matchmaking being anything but 100% random on these forums, they'll be after you with their pitchforks...

 That has always been this way. Jade Druid Meta was a shitshow, complains about the deck like now about the meta. Solution for everyone: Just add Skulking Geist. Useless and terrible card in any other matchup. Guess what happened...

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Do your own research. It’s all over HSreplay, VS and numerous pro Twitter accounts. Warlock and mage both get destroyed by face hunter. Tech against them, any deck running cult neophyte, far watchpost, ogremancer and robes will do much better than a counterpart not running them. If you are going against the more aggro or combo version of warlock, shadow priest destroys them. I’m not posting deck lists because deck lists are far from being settled, but for these decks are only oppressive against bad decks and decks that let them play solitaire until the quest is done.

Yeah, that's exactly how HS works. Just play a deck or a style you absolutely don't like, just to beat certain decks. In the old days you could tech against combo decks and still play what you wanted, because you had a chance to win. That wouldn't work today, because how fast combo decks draw their cards. A DH can draw his entire deck by turn 7-8 and kill you next turn. Mage can kill you easily at turn 8. It's not just me, when you read the forum, many other people think exactly the same way. You either play fast in order to win, or you just lose. Horrible meta imo and something needs to be done

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I think that if they just increased the quest reward cost, at least for the more problematic and "win the game"-rewards such as Warlock and Mage, that would be enough.

If increased to 7, or even 8, it doesn't allow the player to do his shennanigans, finish the quest AND play the reward, which in turn allows for a counter to their reward, in the form of Mutanus.

I play Mutanus in my quest control warrior deck, and I save him just for the moment when they have the quest reward in hand. Against warlock it's quite hard to get off, because of the nature of Stealer of Souls, or whatever the card is named, but other classes? Mutanus actually gives me a chance to counter it, at least as long as they don't finish the quest and play the reward until turn 7, which some classes can.

 Only unexperienced players complete the Quest without playing the reward instantly. 

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There's a lot of people going crazy saying this expansion just killed HS and that it's all solitaire and OTKs now but seriously just chill, the expansion hasn't been out for even a week, people are trying new stuff, a lot of bad stuff. Once people realize that a lot of old decks are  still good and that those decks do pretty well against this new "monsters" then they'll stop complaining.

Face Hunter is still good, Rush Warrior is still good, Deathrattle DH is still good, Elemental Shaman is still good and all those decks are great against all the OTK decks that you keep complaining about. The only reason the OTK decks are running rampant is because everyone is either playing bad decks or playing those same decks and at the end of the day most mirrors are decided on draws. 

If you're going to worry about something then it should be the fact that getting to turn 7-8 is very hard now with all the OTKs and aggro, that's a more realistic issue and honestly not even really. Once people realize aggro decks shit all this combo decks running around then combo decks will lose winrate and aggro will rise and then tempo/mid-range decks will farm those and there will also be control with healing and/or lots of board clears and then combo decks will farm those slower strategies. 

I'm not saying there aren't some cards that need some tuning in the form of nerfs (and hopely buffs as well) but please calm down, the meta is not ruined, the game is fine, it'll stabilize in a couple more days, people are just trying the new stuff and you are also just probably playing a bad deck or you have a bunch of bad cards in a good archetype. Also people are sleeping on Aggro Shadow Priest, that deck is good, is pretty much Face Hunter levels of fast, that deck is no meme.

 yeah, it's absolutely a great sign, that even streamers don't play after the launch. even thijs, who is always positive said it's not so good and why even put a 6 mana card in your deck, if you can never play it

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I’ve yet to have a game end before turn 8 so I don’t know what turn 4-5 nonsense you’re complaining about.

not to admit, that there is so much broken shit in this game, is just denial. maybe turn 4-5 is over the top, but turn 6 you're in danger and by turn 8 you're dead most of the time. you'll defend this, because you love this shitshow. all your posts show this, so why arguing with you anymore?

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I suppose you never played WoW, have you? This is how Fire Mage’s Ignite worked before it got reworked in patch 8.3.5. I love it for the simple fact that I can destroy any opponent in a 1-2 turn or get destroyed before turn 7 by other Mage players. Imho this is the avg amount of turns (minutes if you wanna) hearthstone games should take. Wanna spend 15-20 mins playing a game? There’s always Wild where ResidentSleeperWarrior and 9999hp Priest reside. 
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 That's your opinion and there are others who think differently. If Team 5 wants HS to go in that direction, why even bother and print cards >6 mana? Everybody pays for the new expansion and we can't even play half the cards, because they're bad or they cost more than 5-6 mana.

really fun meta, turn 8 a DH had drawn all of his cards and the next turn he did 96 damage. Fun and interactive

just lost to a spell mage with quest druid. i think i gained 40 armor, still not enough. 

yeah, expansion is really great so far. i mean i did drew 6 cards and cleared the board on turn 4 with mage and did 29 damage from hand on turn 8. what else do you want?

I think it's pretty boring, everything is just face-face-face. A whole archetype is unplayable now but I guess people who are happy never played Control.

I'm pretty sure that at the time of Un'Goro and Frozen Throne everyone said it was good.

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And hand all the last remaining power to Aggro decks ? LuL, Quest decks are already unfavoured against Face Hunter, Aggro Priest and Token Druids ....I guess Quests need a BUFF, instead ? :P

This has nothing to do with aggro. If you nerf quest decks, aggro automaticly gets weaker because ppl. can finaly play control again. Thats a basic thing in HS

Control - beats > Aggro

Aggro - beats > Combo

Combo -beats> Control

I like aggro the most but in the current state Control is realy !!unplayable!! (I tested control warri) witch is very bad for the game. It should be kinda balanced between these 3 Archtypes. BC i also dont want a control meta happening again where i have to sit 20 minutes in every single game. Its still a fast pace game but the current meta is boring even for me and i love playing aggro decks (main hunter since blackrock <3).

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Stop telling us how to percept and feel about this bullshit game. You sound like one of those early counter strike aimbotters who claimed there are no cheats and you just need to get better. I even wasted precious dust and crafted expensive druid cards to counter that shit. ANd i really hate playing druid. And guess what. TWO questmages so far, the rest where HARDCOUNTERS for my druid. Yeah yeah, just random, i dont have enough samples, do you even know how statistic works, get gud, blah blah. Tada, and then i switch back to my own selfmade deck,.. .quest mage and warlocks are back. Yeah yeah.

 Funny how that works, right?  I've tried quest druid for roughly 10 matches and all but 2 have been against decks which played taunt minions in some way shape or form. 

Nearly every other game with any other deck has been against a mage or quest warlock

 Be careful what you imply about matchmaking being anything but 100% random on these forums, they'll be after you with their pitchforks...

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Some of these nerf suggestions are making me smh. Why all the desire to nuke cards out of existence? Incanter's Flow to 4? Give me a break.  

 No intelligence here. If you are gonna defend a 2 cost card that theoretically in the opening hand with mana coin is capable of reducing a deck by 25 mana (depending on build) you are high as a kite. The fact it’s gone this long without being nerfed is simply stunning. 

Casually draws 9 cards, clears 2x7 health taunt, plays 5 mana quest reward... at turn 7.  It's like they let first-graders design the game ^^

Stop telling us how to percept and feel about this bullshit game. You sound like one of those early counter strike aimbotters who claimed there are no cheats and you just need to get better. I even wasted precious dust and crafted expensive druid cards to counter that shit. ANd i really hate playing druid. And guess what. TWO questmages so far, the rest where HARDCOUNTERS for my druid. Yeah yeah, just random, i dont have enough samples, do you even know how statistic works, get gud, blah blah. Tada, and then i switch back to my own selfmade deck,.. .quest mage and warlocks are back. Yeah yeah.

I have said this before: I think the outrage about over powered design is BY DESIGN

they used to never nerf anything, and now every expansion gets nerfed two to three times? This is t some accident, they play tested this stuff and knew it would be OP. Then streamers, youtubers, Reddit and all begin to talk about it again and again. This is intentional, it’s happened too many times for it not to be. Outrage drives interest in your 7 year old card game and then you can “fix it” which generates more interest. You repeat this a few times per expansion and the next thing you know, nobody got bored of your game and they are ready to buy the next expansion 4 months later.

Far watch post is barely a speed bump at this point. Also investing in more passive recovery tools against quest mage is a bad idea. They have inevitability on their side.