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Remember when old gods came out and everyone was freaking out about cthun druid and how OP it was? Please wait until the meta settles.

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Is this deck limited at all by your card collection? I'm just wondering if there are rarer cards like Alexstrasza that might make the deck even stronger, or if this is as optimized as it gets, in your opinion...

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Ugh... I tried to stop myself from replying to threads like this, but I'm just gonna take this opportunity to say some things I've had on my chest for a while now because I always see people complain about the same thing on this forum.

"Furthermore, control has never dominated the meta since the release of Naxxramas."

*cough* *cough* Freeze Mage *cough* *cough* Handlock *cough* *cough* Warrior *choke*

No, but in all seriousness, who wants one archetype to dominate the meta anyway? What I've seen so far from this expansion is a clear cut rock-paper-scissor system, and that's the way any card game meta should be. If there's one dominant deck, a counter will appear and become the new popular deck until another counter emerges. Such is the healthy progression of a competitive card game. Jade Golems get overrun by aggressive decks, aggressive decks are kept in check by efficient control tools, and control is being outvalued by, well, Jade Golems. Duh.

So of course Jade Golem decks will be popular straight away. The decks are easy to build, the concept is easy to understand, but you know what the biggest reason is? The fact that the majority of players are greedy control players that constantly complain about aggro spoiling their fun, and it is that greed that the Jade Golems are made to punish. I'm looking forward to that, especially because I'm ready to mess those Golem summoners up real bad.

Because the Jade Golem mechanic is overrated and slow. There, I said it. Can we stop fearmongering and doomsaying and just enjoy this expansion's theme now and maybe, just maybe wait until we see the rest of the cards?

With best regards, a Grimy Goon. (I think I just stepped on a Jade Golem... Ew.)

 First off, Freeze Mage is combo. They just happen to control until they can combo. 

Second, yes, the Jade Golems will keep greedy control decks in check. Yes, they will also keep non-greedy control decks in check. I don't complain about aggro ruining my fun, I tech against it. But how on earth, in the heavens, or in hell do you expect me to tech against an endless stream of growing minions without completely screwing up my game against aggro?

Third, yes I do have a plan against those Jade Golems, but it means I can't play Warrior anymore. 

With regards, a fellow Grimy Goon. (I think I stepped in a Kaza-Kola spill... Ew.)

 Fine, so it's combo-control if you really want to be that specific. To me, control is control. You point at things until they die, and repeat that until you either outvalue your opponent or they die of old age. The only difference is that combo-control is useless against 60 armor.

The tech question, I can honestly not answer that one yet. We'll have to see how strong the Jade Golems are by actually going up against them first and seeing their remaining cards, but right now, their biggest weakness is that they have to sacrifice precious card slots for overpriced cards that maybe snowball out of control every tenth game, and all the other games we'll hear complaints from the Lotus about "curvestone" and how they don't have enough time to make their Golems big enough. Calling it now. The only scary thing is maybe Jade Idol, but even that thing is only as good as the other synergy cards that have yet to be revealed. I ain't even scared.

And third, well... There's always the chance to make Aggro-Midrange Warrior work while Grim Patron is still in Standard.

Remember the chess brawl? And how everyone kept saying it was bad and boring? The truth is, without some RNG, games are really boring. Every game plays out exactly the same. RNG is fine to a certain extent.

You spell it "Synergy" not "Sinergy"

No. Shield slam is not as good as you think. People always overrate this card calling it "1 mana deal 30 damage" which is totally not true. When you are behind on low armor, shield slam struggles to find a use. There are quite often situations where shield slam doesn't do what execute could do at 1 mana. It also only works in controlling warrior decks, and is a flavorful card. Should not be nerfed.

People say this every expansion, and it never happens, so logically I think it won't happen.

I love how people complain about blizzard adding more content.

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Actually, secret eater is teched in most decks in wild.

I think Naxxramas is the most powerful expansion, because honestly a lot of staple cards came from there. Belcher, Loatheb, Deathlord, Voidcaller, Nerubian Egg, Haunted Creeper, Death's Bite, Undertaker (Original), Mad Scientist, Zombie Chow, Dark Cultist, even Shade of Naxxramas was played in combo druid. Naxx also was the smallest set ever, as the adventures after it introduced more and more cards.

Well this expansion is showing us (as with most expansions) that drama queens really like to open threads in Hearthpwn, typically with an edgy title to bait the biggest amount of people possible.

Oops looks like I got baited, but I just had to add my 2 cents. These threads are pointless, especially with the meta not having settled, so please stop opening them. The Recent Threads section contains 3 whine threads on average (from a total of 4), which is getting pretty annoying when you are trying to find something constructive to contribute to.

Omg guys..

Control beats Aggro

Aggro beats Midrange

Midrange beats Control

I'm seeing a lot of people complaining about how Pirate Warrior is going to be the next big meta deck that rekts everything else just like Midrange Shaman. The truth is though, it won't be, not even close.

To better understand this we will need to look further into Midrange Shaman and why it really is as good as it is. Midrange Shaman was a midrange deck that just like other midrange decks easily beat Control, but it was fast enough and had enough burst to rival Aggro decks as well. It was basically the deck that could not just beat the archetype it was favored against, but also the one it was unfavored against. And this of course was due to it being really fast while also being able to defeat Control. The main cards that caused this were Thing from Below and Tunnel Trogg in my opinion.

Now comparing that with the current Pirate Warrior lists, it becomes quite clear that Pirate Warrior is not a Midrange deck, it's an Aggro deck --- and a very fast one at that. Pirate Warrior doesn't have the reliable draw, or comeback mechanics of Midrange Shaman, instead it has burst  and strong weapon damage. It tries to start a strong wave of damage and Pirate synergy right from Turn 1 and hopes that by Turn 5-6 that kills you. If it doesn't, then they concede and move onto the next match. This sort of deck type is HARD-COUNTERED by Control decks. Any deck that can clear their board once, and regain some Health while doing that will be able to shut them off for the entire match. So, once people start playing optimized Control deck lists, Pirate Warrior will dwindle in population. 

That being said, I'm not saying there won't be a Tier 0 deck in this meta, there probably will, but it won't be a deck like Pirate Warrior that is hard countered by the archetype many people will be trying. To all the people complaining about the meta, calm the fock down. 

Stop complaining about the people complaining about the new meta!!

They do.

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Too early to discuss what's broken, bro. 

Freeze Mage isn't nearly as easy to play as you think it is.  

You just lost a couple times to it, so obviously it's OP, braindead, easy OTK, etc.  This is just a salt thread.  

I've never read any aggro whine thread on these forums, +1 for creativity and originality.

Salt thread quality post

Had to stop reading. You don't seem to know what power creep is and your comparisons are false.

This is power creep

Magma Rager

Ice Rager

Your examples are not. Spells and minions are different. You're reading things as 1 to 1s when they aren't really.

If you want to compare power levels look at the average 4 drop compared to piloted shredder. Then you can see REAL power creep.

On top of that, we might need different tools to keep other decks in check. Maybe one of these cards is meant to counter jade golems, etc.