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    posted a message on Ragnaros' Fire Festival - Tavern Brawl #162

    In order to get to 60 mini Rag kills, do we have to do this in one match? Or do they accumulate, so that we can get the reward after playing multiple matches?

     

     

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    posted a message on (2019 updated) ULTIMATE dust guide for Hall of Fame cards

     

     

    Quote from Arachnidius >>

    Fuck me, I'm glad if my replying to people's questions is genuinely helpful to them, but you do start to wonder if some people just don't know how to go to the start of the thread or something lol.

    I thought it might be useful to demonstrate how and why the counter-intuitive logic regarding crafting and reimbursement actually works. Let's take a look:


    Bob has 2 regular copies of ice block. He has no copies of molten giant, regular or golden. He has no copies of coldlight oracle, regular or golden. Bob doesn't care about upgrading to golden versions. Bob wants maximum dust value and wants to disenchant everything after the Hall of Fame rotation. Bob currently has 3,200 dust.

    Bob knows that the rotation will only reimburse him for the total number of any card which he can put in a deck (i.e. maximum 2 for a non-legendary, maximum 1 for a legendary). Bob knows, in other words, that he won't be reimbursed for more than 2 ice blocks. Bob knows that reimbursement prioritises golden cards over non-golden, and so if he had 1 golden ice block as well as his 2 regular, one of those regular ice blocks would receive no reimbursement.

     

    Scenario 1: Bob doesn't craft anything.

    • Bob has 3,200 dust going into the HoF rotation.
    • Bob gets reimbursed for the full craft value of his 2 regular ice blocks, which is (2*400) = 800 dust.
    • Bob then disenchants his 2 regular ice blocks for their regular disenchant value, which is (2*100) = 200 dust.
    • Bob therefore makes a total profit of (800 + 200) = 1,000 dust.
    • Bob's final, net total dust after HoF rotation is (3,200 + 1,000) = 4,200 dust.

     

    Scenario 2: Bob crafts 2 golden ice blocks to "improve his profits"

    • Bob spends 3,200 dust to craft 2 golden ice blocks, and so he has 0 dust going into the HoF rotation.
    • Bob gets reimbursed for the full craft value of his 2 golden ice blocks, which is (2*1,600) = 3,200 dust.
    • Bob then disenchants his 2 golden and 2 regular ice blocks for their regular disenchant value. For his goldens, this is (400*2) = 800 dust. For his regulars, this is (100*2) = 200 dust. Therefore, in total, from disenchanting all his ice blocks Bob gets (800+200) = 1,000 dust.
    • Bob's final, net total dust after HoF rotation is (3,200 + 1,000) = 4,200 dust.

    With a cry of great anguish, Bob realises that he in fact made a total of 0 dust from crafting the golden ice blocks. Bob then feels a humble gratitude to the cosmos for the fact that his hubris went unpunished, for Bob did not actually lose any dust.


    I hope that makes it clear.

    Edit:

    Even though the craft/dust ratios of rares are different from those of epics, the above calculations work out exactly the same for coldlight oracle. Trust me, I've done those calculations too.

     
    "Fuck me, I'm glad if my replying to people's questions is genuinely helpful to them, but you do start to wonder if some people just don't know how to go to the start of the thread or something lol."
    Uhhh ... yeah, I know exactly how to go to the start of the thread, which I have done.  My reading comprehension is fine; I hope you read my theories on how this could have happened.  Last year we didn't have a reverse nerf (have we ever had a reverse nerf? I don't think so) right before a new expansion and cards rotating into HoF, which hasn't gone live yet. 
    My scenario, which nets a dust profit of 0, is not on your "scenario" list, but I know the outcome, or what the outcome is supposed to be.  I crafted goldens because I wanted goldens, not to "improve my profits." The net result should be -- by the time (a) the Molten Giant reverse nerf goes live and (b) the new expansion goes live and (c) cards rotate into HoF -- that my dust profit should be 0 -- I started with 7000 dust and I should end with 7000 dust. 
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    posted a message on (2019 updated) ULTIMATE dust guide for Hall of Fame cards

     

    Quote from GMAlon >>

     

    Quote from coffeefreak >>

    Today when I logged into Hearthstone, (HoF not live, but Molten Giant reverse nerf is live) I received 3200 dust for two golden Molten Giants. But I also received an additional 1675 dust for a total of 4875 dust. I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens in anticipation of HoF (two golden Molten Giants, two golden Ice Block, and one golden Coldlight Oracle). 

    So why the odd amount of dust?

    Theory #1:

    The Molten Giant reverse nerf is live today, but HoF isn't yet.  Maybe I received dust for both my two regular and two golden Molten Giants: 3200 + 1600. But that still leaves 875 dust unaccounted for.

    Theory #2: 

    Weird glitch as Hearthstone transitions between Molten Giant reverse nerf and HoF announcement.

    Theory #3: 

    The remaining 875 dust could be:

    400 x 2 = 800 for two regular Ice Block

    75 dust = ?? No idea, since it doesn't correspond with my Coldlight Oracles.

    Theory #4: 

    ???!?!?!

     

    Anyone want to take a stab at it? 

    TL;DR:

    I received 4875 dust when I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens for HoF. I hope I am getting the rest of the dust when HoF goes live.

     

    Cards I own:

    Two regular Ice Block and two golden Ice Block -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

    Two regular Coldlight Oracle and two golden Coldlight Oracle -- I crafted one golden in preparation for HoF (already owned one golden)

    Two regular Molten Giant and two golden Molten Giant -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

     

     Theory 5:
    You were drunk last night and disenchanted few cards and forgot about that.
    But seriously, you are the only one who got dust, so it's probably has nothing to do with HOF dust.
     
    Theory blown since I don't get drunk, :-) and since the last time I used any dust was to craft my goldens, leaving me with zero dust -- 
    Nothing disenchanted, since I wanted to ensure I got all of my dust back and it was easiest to keep track of that if my dust count was exactly 0. 
    "But seriously, you are the only one who got dust, so it's probably has nothing to do with HOF dust."
    We don't know yet that I was the only one. This could be one of those weird glitches that only affects a few people. 
    I'll wait until the expansion goes live and see if it rights itself.
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    posted a message on (2019 updated) ULTIMATE dust guide for Hall of Fame cards

     

    Quote from Arachnidius >>

     

    Quote from coffeefreak >>

    Today when I logged into Hearthstone, (HoF not live, but Molten Giant reverse nerf is live) I received 3200 dust for two golden Molten Giants. But I also received an additional 1675 dust for a total of 4875 dust. I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens in anticipation of HoF (two golden Molten Giants, two golden Ice Block, and one golden Coldlight Oracle). 

    So why the odd amount of dust?

    Theory #1:

    The Molten Giant reverse nerf is live today, but HoF isn't yet.  Maybe I received dust for both my two regular and two golden Molten Giants: 3200 + 1600. But that still leaves 875 dust unaccounted for.

    Theory #2: 

    Weird glitch as Hearthstone transitions between Molten Giant reverse nerf and HoF announcement.

    Theory #3: 

    The remaining 875 dust could be:

    400 x 2 = 800 for two regular Ice Block

    75 dust = ?? No idea, since it doesn't correspond with my Coldlight Oracles.

    Theory #4: 

    ???!?!?!

     

    Anyone want to take a stab at it? 

    TL;DR:

    I received 4875 dust when I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens for HoF. I hope I am getting the rest of the dust when HoF goes live.

     

    Cards I own:

    Two regular Ice Block and two golden Ice Block -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

    Two regular Coldlight Oracle and two golden Coldlight Oracle -- I crafted one golden in preparation for HoF (already owned one golden)

    Two regular Molten Giant and two golden Molten Giant -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

     
     You only get reimbursement for the max number of cards that you can put in a deck, i.e. for non-legendaries you only get reimbursed for a maximum of 2 of any card in your collection. Reimbursement will prioritise goldens over non-goldens, so if you have 2 goldens your regulars won't be reimbursed. If you already had 2 regular copies of any of the rotating cards before you crafted the goldens, then crafting the goldens was pointless. You won't receive any extra dust for having done this. Don't worry though, you won't have lost any dust. If you get reimbursed for your goldens and then disenchant everything, You will receive exactly the same amount of dust as if you had only been reimbursed for your 2 regular copies and then disenchanted those.
    Now as to you getting any dust back today at all, that's very weird. I have got nothing back so far and I had always thought it was obvious that we'd only get any reimbursement after the HoF rotation, i.e. tomorrow. Sounds very irregular. I'll log in and check again myself now.
     1. Yes, I understand how the dust is supposed to work; and i double-checked it prior to crafting.  Last year I got golden lovelies for basically 0 dust and expected to do the same this year.
    2. ..."crafting the goldens was pointless" -- except I wanted goldens, so it wasn't pointless for *me*.   :-)  As you pointed out, "Don't worry though, you won't have lost any dust." Although I lost dust today -- so I am hoping it will right itself when the expansion goes live. 
    3. "Now as to you getting any dust back today at all, that's very weird. I have got nothing back so far and I had always thought it was obvious that we'd only get any reimbursement after the HoF rotation, i.e. tomorrow. Sounds very irregular. "
    I agree. My theory is it has something to do with Molten Giant reverse nerf went into effect today, whereas HoF doesn't go into effect until the expansion is live.
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    posted a message on (2019 updated) ULTIMATE dust guide for Hall of Fame cards

    Today when I logged into Hearthstone, (HoF not live, but Molten Giant reverse nerf is live) I received 3200 dust for two golden Molten Giants. But I also received an additional 1675 dust for a total of 4875 dust. I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens in anticipation of HoF (two golden Molten Giants, two golden Ice Block, and one golden Coldlight Oracle). 

    So why the odd amount of dust?

    Theory #1:

    The Molten Giant reverse nerf is live today, but HoF isn't yet.  Maybe I received dust for both my two regular and two golden Molten Giants: 3200 + 1600. But that still leaves 875 dust unaccounted for.

    Theory #2: 

    Weird glitch as Hearthstone transitions between Molten Giant reverse nerf and HoF announcement.

    Theory #3: 

    The remaining 875 dust could be:

    400 x 2 = 800 for two regular Ice Block

    75 dust = ?? No idea, since it doesn't correspond with my Coldlight Oracles.

    Theory #4: 

    ???!?!?!

     

    Anyone want to take a stab at it? 

    TL;DR:

    I received 4875 dust when I spent 7000 dust to craft goldens for HoF. I hope I am getting the rest of the dust when HoF goes live.

     

    Cards I own:

    Two regular Ice Block and two golden Ice Block -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

    Two regular Coldlight Oracle and two golden Coldlight Oracle -- I crafted one golden in preparation for HoF (already owned one golden)

    Two regular Molten Giant and two golden Molten Giant -- both goldens crafted in preparation for HoF

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    posted a message on (2019 updated) ULTIMATE dust guide for Hall of Fame cards

    Crafting the goldens is "free" in that I will have the same amount of dust once I am reimbursed that I had prior to crafting them.

    I am not concerned with the regular cards. 

     

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    posted a message on (2019 updated) ULTIMATE dust guide for Hall of Fame cards

     

     

    Quote from iDarken2012 >>

     

    Quote from coffeefreak >>

    I wasn't confused about this last year. It was very clear. I had regular copies of the cards rotating to Hall of Fame, crafted goldens, and it didn't cost anything to craft the goldens.

    But after reading the first post and the first 5 pages of the thread, I am thoroughly confused.

    It sounds like it will actually COST dust now to craft goldens if we don't have them. 

    I don't mind spending dust on goldens if I get compensated. Last year I crafted golden Ragnaros, Azure Drakes and whatever the other one was and it cost me 0 dust once the new expansion hit.

     

    I have:

    Two regular Ice Block

    Two regular Molten Giant

    One golden and two regular Coldlight Oracle

    I want to craft goldens of all the ones I don't have goldens of and it end up being a net cost of 0. Is that possible or not? 

     

    Thank you.

     

     
    If you want all the golden copies just for collection and not for profit, so yea, you can craft everything "for free"
     
    Yes, this is exactly what I want. I want all of the golden cards "for free." (Net 0 dust; not costing me any extra dust)
    I don't care about making more dust for other cards later. I do want to craft golden copies of the cards rotating into the Hall of Fame for free. So I believe you answered my question:
    For those of us that WANT copies of the golden cards, for the sake of having goldens, it will cost 0 dust to craft them. 
    Thank you!
     
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    posted a message on (2019 updated) ULTIMATE dust guide for Hall of Fame cards

    I wasn't confused about this last year. It was very clear. I had regular copies of the cards rotating to Hall of Fame, crafted goldens, and it didn't cost anything to craft the goldens.

    But after reading the first post and the first 5 pages of the thread, I am thoroughly confused.

    It sounds like it will actually COST dust now to craft goldens if we don't have them. 

    I don't mind spending dust on goldens if I get compensated. Last year I crafted golden Ragnaros, Azure Drakes and whatever the other one was and it cost me 0 dust once the new expansion hit.

     

    I have:

    Two regular Ice Block

    Two regular Molten Giant

    One golden and two regular Coldlight Oracle

    I want to craft goldens of all the ones I don't have goldens of and it end up being a net cost of 0. Is that possible or not? 

     

    Thank you.

     

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    posted a message on What to do?!?
    Quote from Nagabeast >>

    Fairly new player & just looking for some advice on what to do moving forward. I want dust to make a few decks but I'm not sure if I should finish trying to get classic cards first or if I should concentrate on getting more cards from the most recent expansion? Or get cards from an older expansion because they will cycle out soon? Any advice would be appreciated! 

     
    In this game, the meta is constantly shifting. A deck that is good today may not be so good a month from now; something else may emerge to take its place. This especially holds true after a new expansions is released (or nerfs, or Hall of Fame).  
     
    I would focus on Classic card sets.  Or you could open one of the newer expansions for every four or five Classic packs you open.  But until you have most of your commons, rares, and epics and a few legendaries from Classic, I would focus mostly or entirely on Classic.  You could also set aside 100 gold for every few packs you open to be used toward the next expansion. 
     
    As for which decks and legendaries to craft, that will change over time.  As you play, you may develop a preference for certain classes or certain decks.  Focus on Standard for now. Trying to tackle every set of cards (including Wild) as a new player would be overwhelming.  
     
    At first, the game can seem daunting  You don't have to make any decisions now.  Start with the Classics; that will take you awhile to collect, and they will serve you well in both Standard and Wild while you play.  Sometimes in the weekly Tavern Brawl, they will throw in Wild cards and you'll get to play with cards that are not in your usual decks. Just have fun with it and see what you enjoy playing.  I play all of the classes myself.  And I play both Standard and Wild (but that takes awhile, to collect all of those cards).
     
    Good luck, take your time, and have fun. 
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    posted a message on Having trouble with log-in. I normally log in with Hearthpwn not Twitch. I had already merged my two accounts

    Weird. I just went to Chrome (where I was not logged in) to post a screenshot of what I saw; meanwhile, I had briefly gone into my settings on this browser where I am logged in, and fiddled with something under My Account, "Manage Twitch Account." I didn't do anything but click on it; it redirected me to Twitch, as I was already logged in on Twitch.

    I then went back to Chrome, clicked on the "Log in with your Twitch account" and even though I entered no password, username or login information, it magically logged me in.

    Is it necessary to be logged in to one's Twitch account before logging on to Hearthpwn? 

    Here is the screenshot of what I saw:

     

     

     

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    posted a message on Having trouble with log-in. I normally log in with Hearthpwn not Twitch. I had already merged my two accounts

    I am using a web browser where I am still logged in to Hearthpwn to post this. 

    I merged my Hearthpwn and Twitch accounts a couple of months ago.

    Today, I am trying to log in from another browser (no trouble in the past).  The Hearthpwn log-in page presents the two options, log in with Hearthpwn or log in with Twitch.  I want to use my Hearthpwn username, so I choose log in with Hearthpwn. 

    I tried entering my Hearthpwn forum name, then I tried entering my Twitch name, which is different.  I did all of this under the "log in via Hearthpwn" portion. I *think* I tried once to log in via the Twitch one, but am not certain.  I don't want to get locked out of my account. 

    How do I log in using my Hearthpwn credentials? Which box do I use, the Hearthpwn box or the Twitch box? Thanks.

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    posted a message on History is repeating itself (K&C Nefs)

    I don't think they NEEDED to nerf anything. The game has a way of balancing itself out over time when new sets rotate in, others rotate to Wild, or people get tired of playing the same decks.

     

     

     

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    posted a message on is blizzard bad at card balancing? ( upcoming nerfs 10.2)

    To answer your question: Fuck yes, Blizzard is bad at card balancing.

    None of these cards should have been changed, IMO.

    Ben Brode needs to stop fucking things up.

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    posted a message on Hadronox Infinite Druid [80% Win Rate]

    Practically speaking, N'Zoth, the Corruptor death rattle is not reliable for end-game clutch scenarios. My N'Zoth brought back a lot of Astral Tigers and only one Grizzled Guardian. I discovered Grizzled Guardian + N'Zoth, the Corruptor is a great way to mill myself at the end of a game.  And this was with the "dream scenario" of using Carnivorous Cube on Hadronox

     

     

     

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    posted a message on Molten Giant

    Nerfed to oblivion, in true Blizzard fashion. 

    Utterly useless card.

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