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You don't need to tech anything. You need a deck with a higher win/rate than 60% and it would be an easy climb.

 I know there are netdecks listed on here which hit those win percentages, but my goal is to hit legend with my own list without resorting to playing aggro. In the middle of last month I peaked at diamond one but it seems like deck lists have become much more refined since 

 You can make your own list and have 60% more win rate. You don't need tech cards, if you need tech cards your list is bad, change it. Diamond 5 is not high. From diamond 5 to legend is harder Quite every deck is able to reach diamond 5. 

 I agree that one can have a 60%+ win rate with their own list, that is what i’m trying to get to right now. I also said i was at diamond 1, not diamond 5. The reason i made this thread was because i am exploring strategies for that final stretch to legend. I understand the point people are making that tech cards wouldn’t bring my winrate up though

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You don't need to tech anything. You need a deck with a higher win/rate than 60% and it would be an easy climb.

 I know there are netdecks listed on here which hit those win percentages, but my goal is to hit legend with my own list without resorting to playing aggro. In the middle of last month I peaked at diamond one but it seems like deck lists have become much more refined since 

Those are great points. My deck was not supposed to be full-on control but after subbing out cards to counter aggro it ended up being basically that. And although i can farm those sorts of decks, once the win streaks go away on ladder i reach a situation where i have a near 0% win rate against combo/OTK but i need an almost 100% win rate against aggro to come out net positive. And that’s if the distribution of decks and classes is even or favorable, which a lot of days it just wasn’t.  

After reading the replies here and reconsidering my deck, i realized that some of the tech options i was considering, like Neophyte, simply delay the inevitable when it comes to decks who OTK you and even a card like Robes of Protection is subject to a spell damage boosted Fire Sale or Soul Rend, so it’s not exactly game winning. So i’ve decided instead to run additional threats to try and outpace those decks while still having some AOE to beat aggro reliably. I have not tested this build enough but my win rate against Garrote decks was almost 0% until now so, nowhere to go but up

I am currently climbing to legend in standard and have been trying to gain a better understanding of teching and how to counter other decks. So my current build includes a lot of AOE to stop aggressive decks like Taunt Druid and Face Hunter, which it has no trouble beating. However, when i face a Quest Mage or Warlock i end up with multiple dead cards in hand, which makes me lean toward adding anti-spell techs like Cult Neophyte and Robes of Protection. But once I commit to that, then i will leave myself open to board based decks once again, and that’s not even counting other archetypes like Garrote Rogue, which i’m assuming would require me to run something like Far Watch Post to counter. Basically, once I end up at diamond 5, i find myself unable to reliably climb as I can’t keep myself from running into decks which i’m not appropriately teching against. Is the answer running one of each tech card and just hoping everything lines up? Is that just going to be significantly worse and unreliable? 

Have you played against Garrote Rogue or Quest Mage  lately? Getting OTK’d by an empty board on turn 8 is normal now. Either play aggro or join them 

Youre in standard or wild? Im in about the same ranks but I havent seen a Quest Druid in weeks

It’s literally just face hunter. It doesn’t even have the buffed Selective Breeder in it which shows how strong the deck already is..and always has been

Sorry but endless scaling damage isnt exactly “pointless”. And mage is already drawing 4 cards for ZERO with cram session+ incanter’s flow + their quest reward so they already cheat out enough mana as it is. There has to be some sort of drawback for the infinite fireballs which currently does not exist

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Ignite note should be 5 mana deal 5 damage or 4 mana deal 4. We have enough OP cards in the "less than 3 mana" realm...

I’m not sure if this is what you’re referring to exactly but if Ignite changed from a 2 mana deal 2 damage, then a 3 mana deal 3, 4 mana deal 4 and so on it would be a much more acceptable card. The damage needs to scale with the cost, especially when it has +3 spell damage applied damn near every time anyhow

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now he acts like nothing happened :D

 Lol @ him going over “predictions” when he was told what the changes would be beforehand. More like multiple dead-on “guesses”, another three or four damn near identical to the actual patch, and one or two that are purposely way off base to please his source

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How does he know what's in the next balance patch ?

 Content Creators for Hearthstone get the info early. That's how some of them have videos that go up immediately when the Patch or details are announced. Even Regis has said in some of his patch notes videos that they get it early.

I know, If Regis or Kibler had said that I would believe them.

Zeddy is probably the guy Blizzard hates the most, there is absolutely no way a blizzard employee leaked ANYTHING to him

Zeddy is blacklisted by Blizzard so whatever info he allegedly has is from an indirect source. If the rumor is legit then he must have been in contact with some GM or another streamer that the devs actually speak to. i agree that Regis and Kibler are more reliable sources than him but they are also too loyal and/or classy to go around spreading any exclusive leaks.  This is not to say anything Zeddy is saying is true, but it’s also not impossible that it could be.

I have been thinking a lot about that exact point made above since the expac released. I mean what could be the next logical step after crossing such a huge power level threshold in the current meta state? Not only would the next set’s cards need to be unbelievably strong, but they would need to be even faster than the current turbo win condition decks to make any impact. It’s inevitably going to lead to a clown fiesta scenario like Yu-Gi-Oh where an unbreakable board comes out on turn one unless your opponent draws badly.  The only thing I’m holding out for is the power level reset idea that Iksar hinted at for the next set rotation. If they don’t go for that approach then the game as we knew it is a thing of the past.

This topic needs to be locked lol