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I have never seen this played unless it was arena, the card is pretty terrible. they should just get rid of it or change its ability. I am not saying it has to be powerful but it needs to have some kind of utility, 

Reason why MTT is better than nat is because its  guarente draw and on top of that if they dont have a minion out to attack it, they have to use removal or they lose the game if MTT draws more than 1 normallly. If they do use removal MTT technically nets you 2 cards because you draw 1 and they lose 1.

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so many hunter haters... its understandable because thats all you run into on ladder and it gets annoying but every single class has some kind of cheap mechanic that you can complain about. and in a few weeks you will be complaining just as hard about the next thing until the FoTM is a deck you play and then you defend it.

so much of the hearthstone community dosent understand empathy and logic -.-.  this nerf is obviously an overnerf no matter how you try to pitch it. i play every class and every deck evenly and i realize that hunter is overpowered but this is going to almost kill the entire class, making other things unbalanced with the absence of hunter in the meta. 

i was looking more for a 1 mana increase on buzzard flare and hunters mark so you wouldnt be able to wipe the board easily and draw at the same time until later turns. which would make the deck still playable but not 7/10 matches on ladder until legend. 

the hunter hate is about equal to amount of hunter apologist.

its not going to kill the class. there are plenty of hunter decks that run neither buzzard combo or leeroy and do just fine. all this means is that hunters are going to have to innovate and stop relying on a busted card. Blizzard decided to take off your training wheels.

You can still play the combo and drawing 3-5 cards will still be as good as it was before but now you're not able to rely on your combo and you'll have to time it instead of slamming it turn 5.

Quit over reacting and saying this is going to kill the class, when all it going to do is destroy the deck you're all use to playing. A deck that was suffocating the meta and choking out creativity. 

so much this, everything you said is exactly correct.

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Lol, the nerf to starving buzzard is absolutely absurd.  Five mana???? What is the point? The Starving Buzzard + Unleash the Hounds is incredibly situational and RNG based draw mechanic that is typically the only mechanic Hunters would use for card draw.  And at 3/2??? Make it AT LEAST 4/4 for the 5 drop... this wasn't a nerf this was a slap in the face to the Hunter class.

To all my Hunters out there ravaging the ladder, cheers to you! You've kicked so much ass the overlords have decided to slap chains on you and throw you in the dungeons.  But a beast can only be caged for so long! We will rise again! The scent of fear is palpable in those that look upon Rexxar... even in chains we will feast upon the stars of those that try and ladder against us.

I will hunt you down!

You understand how biased you sound right now right? Seriously I wont lie I played hunter to get legend cus of how overpowered and how silly straight forward it was to even play the deck, took very little thought when making plays. I will say this maybe 5 is too much but who knows, im sure they tested it and found 4 was still too strong. Anyway get your head out of your butt and realize just because you love playing a class doesnt mean it isnt too overpowered.

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http://www.shacknews.com/article/82696/blizzard-hopes-to-balance-hearthstone-with-counters-not-nerfs

 I realize this isn't the quote from the other day but its basically saying the same thing, that they really would rather not nerf a card.

"Dodds explains the six main reasons Blizzard may change a card: because it causes "non-interactive games"; is frustrating to play against; causes confusion or isn't intuitive enough; is too strong compared to other cards of that cost; is too weak; or goes with a build or playstyle that's "too strong." He goes into plenty of detail on each point, if you're curious."

This is after stating he wants hearthstone to get to the point where card nerfs wont be needed and instead counter the cards with other cards. So nerfing isn't out of the question but if a deck/combo/card has several of these things wrong with it, they will nerf  what they have to.Here is another quote from the link:

"We want the game to be about playing minions and fighting for board control rather than just waiting until you can play your big combo and win in one turn with no interaction from your opponent," 

Hunter is hitting quite a few of these marks, so I have no doubt we will be seeing a nerf.

Hunter has to essentially give up board-control for the SB + UTH combo to be effective.  And then a handful of 1/1's isn't going to win the game on their own, or even the cards that Starving Buzzard draws.  Flare and Tracking are flavor cards that a Hunter doesn't even need to win (i'm only using them in my own version of a Mad Scientist deck to see what exactly all the fuss is about), and Hunters secrets are not even imbalanced as they are cost balanced and effective.  The zero cost Hunters Mark is a key component to the miracle combo, but if the Hunter simply does not draw it than what does it matter? Also, the combo than requires the Hunter to regain board control  VIA trading minions on the board, which is right in line with Blizzards intentions for the game.

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The problem with buzzard UTH isnt just the draw, it isnt just the fact it gets you a bunch of 1/1s with charge, its a combination of how hunter deck works, normally what will happen is they will draw into 1 or 2 hunters mark which is all that they need to board wipe a person. So what you have is it wipes the board of your opponent, refill the hand up and at most will cost you 4 cards to board wipe the player. This is part of the guide lines for a nerf to the combo and I quote again : "goes with a build or playstyle that's "too strong.". Now I know the argument can be made to say not all hunter decks run UTH/SB and those decks dont to have a better warrior/priest matchup but if they were to play against zoo or shaman they woudl have a lot more trouble. Everyone who says there is a counter to hunter right now I can guarantee the deck they are using to counter hunter has horrible matchups against other classes because lets face it abomination is a awful card against several classes. I am not saying abomination is the only counter its just a great example of a great counter to hunter but a terrible card against several other classes. And if you dont draw hunters mark you normally dont care because you use all your 1/1s anyway to kill the same thing you were gonna kill in the first place just not as efficient. No other class other then miracle rogue can do what hunter does. 

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I really enjoy playing Trap Hunter and I would be really pissed if they will nerf it. They didn't nerfed Miracle so would be unfair if they'll nerf Hunter.

You're right, miracle has to go down too it's just this thread is about op hunter not rogue ;)

Oh and by the way - enjoy your hunt[er]... while it lasts

I really enjoy it, it feels so good drinking  haters' tears. :)

 Hunter is flavor of the month. It will pass and a new deck will take it's place. This is literally the definition of gaming meta. Please don't resort to foul language and implications when someone says they enjoy playing the current popular deck.

I don't see hunter being nerfed. There was another thread about Flare being nerfed and I believe most people reached the same conclusion. Blizzard has stated they will not be making changes to cards unless they absolutely have to. These Hunter decks are an appropriate reaction to the Naxx meta where people were either going heavy zoo, or experimenting with the new mid-to-late game Legendaries.

As I stated, once the cogs start moving and people begin adapting to Hunter a new deck/class will take it's place. This is how the meta works.

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You do realize that hunter is most likely here to stay right? Its cheap to build, it has a better win rate than zoo, and good luck adapting to this deck, there are several classes that cant even get a 40% win rate against hunter right now no matter what you change in the deck. Try and play shaman right now, you cant. I know a lot about how meta works, i played MTG for 20 years and even when there is 1 really good deck there are 3-4 others that are just as good and can beat it. This isnt the case here, its play priest or warrior or good luck.

I find it hilarious that this guy claims he got top 10 legend with this deck when I watch his stream and he changes decks all the time, yes this deck is good but dont be fooled, it wont get you legend without playing 2 other decks with it.

Can you give us an idea of what match ups are like for this deck? also would like to know how to mulligan against certain decks.

I know people are saying its just 1 card and it wont kill miracle rogue, but heres the thing most decks dont have more than 2 maybe 3 cards that can deal with miracle, this just adds to the list. This will change the meta just by itself.

Do you think this deck is playable without preparation? if so, what might be put in it's place?

so... full Golden heros + tons of golds + every card + lot of dust = only 3 mounths ban ?

time to start botting...

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1) He didn't play only that deck his entire way to rank 1 Legend.

2) Cool? The name doesn't mean anything lol.

I'm not saying he'd a bad player ( he's amazing A++ ) or that the decks bad ( it's a great deck ) just that it's funny to call it a "hogger deck".

It's a gimmick deck IMO. Any deck that requires a specific draw or relies on a specific set of combos in order to be competitive (not just win), is a gimmick deck. What makes a deck competitive is the amount of synergy it has. And this just doesn't much synergy at all it seems. There are not enough cards that work well with one another to address situations that players are faced w/ in the current meta.

While it may be fun to play when things go right, I don't see how this can be considered a competitive deck. There is no way that this has an 80% win rate in the current meta. I think significant changes need to be done in order to make it a worthy deck.

80% winrate is a bold statement for this deck, as others already said you would just sit there waiting for your combo cards to come up because the windfury mechanic unlike divine shields or other buffs is just bad when it comes down to trading with other minions, in other words, when you use windfury to hit the face of your oponent you just used a card and 2 mana without really affecting the state of the board, thats why its only good as a finisher and more so with thrall who i think has the worst card draw mechanic in the game (looking at you mana tide).