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Yeah, but in TESL your health can go above 30.  Health gain is far less useful in HS.  Armor is much more valuable since it stacks.

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There's a reason you can't have more 1 legendary in a deck while building it I don't understand why you can discover a Tirion and have 2 now.

They will never nerf Patches - they are so proud of themselves for coming up with the card.  Plus, there are a few archetypes in other classes that run a small Pirate package and I think Blizzard likes that.  The only real oppressive Pirate deck remaining is Pirate Warrior (obviously).  What makes that deck click are the 2 Warrior-specific Pirate cards:  N'Zoth's First Mate and Bloodsail Cultist.

I don't know how you would even go about nerfing NFM - reducing the weapon to just 2 charges won't do much because they rarely use all 3 charges before equipping a better weapon.  You would have to increase the cost to 2 mana and make it a 2/2 or something.  That would eliminate the insane T1 play of weapon + 2 minions on board (or 3 minions w/coin).

They probably wouldn't touch Bloodsail Cultist, but making her a 3/3 would make a difference.

With those changes, Pirate Warrior would still be a good deck, but it would just slow it down a notch.

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People are predisposed to see patterns in things even when they're not there. I know I've fallen for traps like that many times. That said, my experience has been somewhat in line with what you're saying here.

The test, I suppose, is if the pattern is exploitable: can you choose decks to counter the ones that you're likely to see during that time of day?

I couldn't find a thread about this so will ask everyone:

Do you notice a shift in the meta depending on the time of day?  I've always wondered but haven't been able to figure it out.  Lately I have been playing more in the morning US Pacific Time, and the meta seems slower than in the late evening.  Lots more aggro at night.

Is that your experience?  Has everyone else already figured this out?

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 Do you prefer to see a card become playable and competitive one day on ladder or do you prefer to see the card unplayble and stuck in your collection with dust?

First, everyone is entitled to their opinion, but at least try to be rational and objective when expressing yours.  Being polite would be nice too.

Second, my opinion is based on experience trying out every significant archetype for all 9 classes, plus some fringe decks for fun.  I have actually played all these cards - not just played against them.  Pirate Warrior is my least favorite deck to play - it's just too boring.

Third, I didn't start this thread out of Priest hate.  I actually like playing Priest quite a bit, and I want Priest to have fun cards and to be successful (but do it fairly).

Fourth, I never said that the cards in the original post are broken every time you play them.  It's ridiculous to insinuate that.  I said that they had the POTENTIAL to be broken.  Compare all 5 cards I mentioned to Power Word: Shield (which I love).  On average, PW:S is a much better card because it is consistently good.  But PW:S is never broken.

The cards in the original post all have pre-requisites and a wide range of actual impact on the game.  Sometimes they are absolutely worthless.  That doesn't mean they are balanced, because the upside is so entirely insane for just 1 mana.  Of course you don't always get a 40/40 minion or 10 free armor.  Just like Ice Lance doesn't always hit face for 9 damage.  But when there is a legitimate possibility of it happening then the card is unbalanced and broken.  (Even the relatively likely scenario of getting a 12/12 minion from Inner Fire or 5 damage from Ice Lance outweighs the downside.)

Inner Fire didn't use to be broken, because the probability of actually generating a huge minion was low.  It was just too hard to pull off, or everyone would have run that deck for the past 3 years.  But with the combination of targets and heals/health buffs now available to Priests, it is far more likely to achieve than before - especially with Radiant Elemental.  That's why so many people are including Inner Fire in their decks now - even some Miracle Priest builds.

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Potion of madness is priests only good form of early removal. Definitely not broken in priest

Shadow Word: Pain?  Or maybe that's not good enough because it only removes 1 small minion for 2 mana.  Priest somehow needs a spell that removes 2 small minions for 1 mana?

 then dont play 2 minions that can kill eachother if you suspect priest has it. not that fucking hard. youre upset because you flood board with your pirate minions then get punished and call it op i assume.

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Potion of madness is priests only good form of early removal. Definitely not broken in priest

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tl;dr nerf Inner Fire?

You know what, stop going face and hit the damn minions to reduce HP if you don't want to get punished. (YES even if the minion dont die)

So many time I would lost the game if the enemy attacked my minions instead of face.

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Inner fire is generally a 2 turn set up, (occasional potion of madness aside). If you keep their minions health low they can't pull it off, it requires you to not respect the risk of inner fire which is your problem.

Sensible post OP - I am literally flabbergasted! GJ sir

All the class cards are pretty much a staple for each hero. Obviously dependent on deck type - no point putting Ice Block into an aggro mage. The neutral options are also an interesting idea but without those cards there would be so many deck archetypes that fall over across multiple heroes without them. I say leave 'em as is. 

The one card I completely disagree with is Innervate. Druid is defined by their rapid tempo acceleration and without this card - well you end up with a Beast Druid that doesn't work or an aggro Druid that is more aggravating than aggressive. 

I assume that others have made this point - apologies for not having read every post on the thread.

Faeria, Shadowverse, Duelyst, Gwent, and other games aren't more generous than HS because they respect their player base more than Blizzard. Faeria, Shadowverse, Duelyst, Gwent, and all the rest are more generous because they have to be. If they didn't give away most of their content for free, no one would play them. All of the companies, including Blizzard, are following the same business model - each are simply doing what currently makes the most sense. If Faeria, or Gwent, or any of the other games, manages to survive and become successful, their business models will adapt to their success - and their player base will bitch and moan about it. Most CCGs fail within a few years of launch - it's a niche market dominated by a huge brand which limits the amount of space in which competitors can thrive. Some do - but for every Pokemon, there are dozens of Spellfires, Mythos, and Chaotics. It seems likely that a very large majority of mobile- and PC-based CCGs will belong to the latter group, rather than the former - hence the need to give away most of their content for free at launch.