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Illucia will be broken but there is a difference between a hard counter and auto-win.

Hard counter means you can try to play the game actually because you can win maybe a 1/3 of matches depending on your approach/threat assessment/resource management/etc. auto-win means if you queue up against it press concede is faster than wasting 20 min to discover you lost from the beginning...

I'm not against hard counters if something hard counter other deck so beat it, but Quest Mage is the actual problem in wild go watch Zeddy and he has videos telling the data from High tier wild/low tier wild / mid-tier wild and everything is either Quest Mage beater or Quest mage so I'm happy for Illucia coming around cuz if that means both mages get to play they crazy stuff a little more and I can beat that shit sometimes I'll very happy about it.

The priest still doesn't have a good draw engine compared to others so a combo deck can still win against. ( and that will be a hard counter btw )

"WILD CASUAL" I can't believe you talk about meta and put a casual wild as an example, play ladder for a month and tell me what you encounter, spoiler alert Quest mage and Hyper-aggro. Non-mill rogues will play that against an aggro deck or Quest mage because they will lose 100% of times so they go to Casual as Res priest does because their decks are not competitive enough to handle the meta.

oParis is indeed perfectly right about his statement, a priest can handle most things but "handle" doesn't mean he wins, means he has a 50%-60% chance to win, in the other hand Quest Mage is a 100% lose and that's the purpose of Mindrender Illucia.

Quote from Getridofpriest >>

Imagine not thinking this card is beyond broken. Say goodbye to every good card you want to play when you need it. Priest just gets the most busted cards every expansion. Priest is just an auto win against every deck now. Now they add this card? Against a control deck, you just play a win condition and out tempo them. Against aggro it doesn’t matter because priest has an answer to everything aggro decks does and heals the damage away in one turn. Finally against a combo deck, they just auto concede once they see they’re against a priest player. Great job Blizzard. Great job Team 5. 

 Temporus hard disagree 

Quote from sadonj >>

It is  combo disruption, and by far the best..,but the part i see CRAZY is changing the deck too....

In some cases it is a downside, you are giving your opponent a card of your deck you do know about it.... but the issue comes with Brann.

You play that in Bran in turn 5 and you just togwagled your opponent for the rest of the game AND stole their hand! Even the old MUCH slower toggwagle combo was a Tier 2 deck.

And with your deck only having removal spells and draw he can not do anything at all, you just won in turn 5....

With my OTK murloc paladin sometimes i  can OTK turn 4-6, but i need to get quite lucky for that to happen and there is a LOT of disruption possible (taunts , armor etc..)

This is a reliable turn 5 win,,,, For hyper agro decks, control priest is THE WORST match up. You will never kill him by 5...

Also i like priest my raza deck is 80% golden and have around 10 golden legendaries of it.... but this is insane...

I will have prefered something more simple against combo, like battlecry your oponenent can not play more than 2 cards next turn....

But in standard the card is good, but not meta defining so i do not see them hammering the nerf hard enough, unless the Chinese Wild comunity demands it. (larger server and with more wild servers that the other 3 combined)

 

 

 Bro read the last part of the card if you use brann its swaps twice so you pay 5 mana for a 1/3 and 2/4 , thats it.

Quote from tiburon5 >>

As an MTG player, I know how good scrying can be. However, in MTG you also have lands which are essentially useless cards if the game goes long enough, so putting those on the bottom of your deck is the main use of scrying. In Hearthstone, generally every card in your deck is going to be at least somewhat useful at all stages. It's rare to have a totally dead draw, and this would suck to top deck when you're out of cards and need something with an immediate effect. If this was 1 mana to look at the top four cards of your deck and you could pick to put any of them on the bottom, it would be pretty good, but this takes a lot of time to get the value of being put into the deck.

 As MTG player on my own I disagree with you for a couple of reasons, first, mtg runs 60 card decks Hs 30 card decks so Scry 1 on 30 is not the same as Scry 1 on 60 + quality of the draw on hs is much better than MTG ( for lands basically) is this card too slow for getting the value? No...

Is this card auto-include in all decks? Also no but in slower strategies which have less consistency this card help towards to achieve either the power spike of the deck without losing too many resources or find a specific card you need for your "combo" or swing to victory. 

Dh already has a card to scry 3 put at the top in a 3/2 creature but this is neutral so is in a different level of good.

Quote from Freyda >>

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 Finally, the priest can win against Quest mage somehow, maybe not often but still isn't concede and queue for next. And nice options against Mecha'thun and Togg waggle.

What are you talking about? Priest is one of the most frustrating matchup for Quest mage: Convincing infiltrator and/or Obsidian statue + resses and you'll never gonna pull off the combo unless you get very lucky with polymorphs early on. Real cancer is secret mage.

 I'm not talking about res priest xD 

Quote from DMaster2 >>

Jesus i just got an hard on. Gonna craft this day 1 and put it in all of my wild priest decks, fucking finally i can screw mechathun, togwaggle and all that combo shit

 Finally, the priest can win against Quest mage somehow, maybe not often but still isn't concede and queue for next. And nice options against Mecha'thun and Togg waggle.

Quote from Jacob94PL >>

And one last thing - control decks won't come up if Razakus priest will be the most dominant slow deck. Because Razakus Priest will kill control decks with Raza + Anduin. Controls decks are posssible to play if you play rats in them. That's perfect balanced situation. If you destroy combo decks, Razakus priest will grow in popularity -> control decks will be out of meta because priest is great with control the board and have elementals of combo which can't be really disrupted. They play Raza as soon as drawned and that's it, you know who these games go. They play Raza as soon as they have it in hand, so the only time possible to actually Rat is by turn 5.

The reasons why control deck is even possible to play is because Razakus priest is countered by combo decks. You take combo decks, Razakus priest is top tier, control decks are out. Simple. So that leaves aggro, Razakus and this stupid Quest Mage (because they will just wait with completing the quest until they have lethal in hand with giants). Oh yeah, it's gonna be fun in a month, you'll see... 

 Nothing new in the horizon , there are already or Secret Mage and Discardlock dominant on the ladder so will see but don't think that will leave to a meta on Raza Priest and Aggro, I did think this card is amazing and maybe a bit too pushed but at least there is a chance to beat quest mage, maybe is too much cannot tell you yet.

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