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50 hp? Welp, don't need to include any cards before turn 4.
Everyone play priest all other classes suck.
Games should start turn 1.
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Lift the Curse- Is both a better flash heal and a silence effect for only 1 mana, also the effects don't feel connected. A 2 mana "If a minion has deathrattle silence it, then deal 3 damage to it." would be much more fitting as an anti-death rattle card.
Lightweaver- Before the game effects should pretty much be cordoned off to legendaries, furthermore this is an inherently unhealthy before the game effect. A free flash heal against aggro every game with no card or mana cost, with a decent body to boot.
Desperate Cleric- I like this but i'd expect something like it for the next hero power focused expansion.
Light Slammer- Probably should be more mana with a larger body to compensate, since the effect single targeted is worth about a 3-4 drop anyways. (Functionally a hard kill effect.), on a 6 drop 4/6 or so though seems fine.
Blinding Light- Again with the random side healing.....
Maiden of Symmetry- Priest just doesn't have the tools to support this card.
Dark Prayer- There are only 3 shadow words in standard not enough targets for a discover effect.
Soldier of Rakwhatever- Priest doesn't have the tools to support this card....so a good choice to get it a one drop with that effect in a more buff heavy class could easily be degenerate.
Khundi- The wording makes me cry, but the effect is fine.
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And I said "More intresting removal is what should be played" but Slam+Execute or Weapon+Execute is now more comparable to 4 mana than than 3 mana which 4 mana is a good place for kill to be at. (Polymorph/Fireball are at 4.), 3 mana remove anything is just too cheap. (Now if you want to say warrior has too few early game removals outside whirlwind effects we can talk, i'll call shenigans and point to firey win axe, but we can talk.)
The Price of removal is the most important thing to consider since anything that costs more than "Destroy target creature" has to basically give value even if removed. Do we want a game where say 4 mana azure drake is what it takes to be playable as a minion?
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Call of the Wild is hard countered by flame strike.
Anything hard countered by a LOWER COST answer, is not overpowered.
Call of the Wild instantly builds a board from nothing which is what you would expect from an 8 mana card just as an enemy mana spell card can wipe nearly any board your opponent has created.
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Hearthstone removed every way the game can soft screw you in the core rules RNG besides just bad Draws, then gave an incredibly generous mulligan rule and super thin decks. So.....what's left?
Cards that can sometimes pull out some crazy RNG stuff.
Are you going to cut the portals? Flame&Knife Juggler? Faceless Summoner? Forbidden Shaping? Ragnaros? Cabalists Tome? Barnes? The list goes on. Why introduce a Scrub Mode when we can accept blizzard is working out the kinks of the right amount of RNG on Cards, No one is complaining about the portals(Except firelands in arena.), or the new 1/1s for 1 that give you a random card. Yogg was even mentioned better than they thought which they thought it was just gonna be a cool for fun card not a central card to tournament decks.(P.Sure they thought c'thun and n'zoth would be the tourney gods.)
But guess what, you have standard now, In 2 years Yogg will be relegated wild.
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You have EXTREMELY slim decks, to the point where decking is a real issue and people at times avoid draw affects for fear of over drawing. You also have guaranteed resources each turn on a predictable schedule without paying any kind of cost. You will always be able to make a 2 drop on turn 2, a 3 drop on turn 3, etc.
"Competitive" mode would basically boil down to if people were honest the only real form of RNG left, the least interactive form there is. What deck is your opponent playing? It would be a mode where conceding turn 1-2 if you have a bad match up to get to the next game would actually be the best play.
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A full aggro deck focuses on 1-4/5 drops, These are the "fair" cards but can use them in combination or by having more on curve options can play around their opponent. (Something you don't notice is this, Aggro has a lot more choices of what to do with it's "On curve plays", Aggro is much more likely to have multiple 2 or 3 drops.)
A midgame deck focuses on the 6-8 drops, "unfair" cards that trivially trade 2 or 3 and dominate boards just by being played, Flamestrike, Savannah Lion, Dr.Boom, a completely unnerfed ancient of lore all great examples. It uses 1-5 drops to fight but focuses on the value cards.
A lategame/control deck is about using 1-5 drops to make losing trades to stem the bleeding, it uses 6-8 drops to recoup it's loses, then it uses it's 9-10 drops to just invalidate the previous game state and take the win.
Do you want a 4 mana starfall and a 4 mana swipe in the same standard for all time? Does this remove design space for any other strong druid board clear's?
Now personally i'd bump swipe to 5 make it do 6 targeted damage and make starfall 4 as that preserves design space and keeps swipe and Starfall in their mind space while making both playable. (Swipe is mainly a ST removal with splash, Starfall is a consecrate or weaker fireball.)
Excavated Evil is in the problem of doing 3 damage, which leaves it at 6 mana(too late), or being two sided(non-standard to the game and i absolutely think it's better design most removal is one sided compared to MTG since most removal might as well be one sided in that anyways it just gets played in decks without creatures.).
Elemental destruction definitely has crazy overload but we established Blizzard had no idea how to price overload, then it finally does it on some vanilla bodies that are decent and does so alongside tunnel trogg.
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What's a "Good" reactive card? One that trades up? Then reactive cards are just plain better. One that trades equally? Then Late game decks are better, Aggro plays a 2 drop, Control pays 2 mana to remove it so control wins out both delaying it's opponent's game plan while moving it's own(Delaying the game.) forward.
A lot of Hearthstone player's are just going through the exact same things I've seen before, So I'm trying to tell you not to repeat the mistakes of the past.
And absolutely skill is NOT based on seeing as many cards as possible, if we wanted games of perfect information we would play chess, and chess is solved a game of pure memorization. Skill in competitive gaming is based on two things, Adaption and Yomi. Adaption is reacting to unknown possibilities, it's maximizing your ability to get to that next land when land screwed in MtG and playing around the RNG cards in hearthstone, and Yomi is knowing the mind of the opponent since there are better and worse moves one can make the best play and lose by your opponent playing for that, but one can make worse moves and win by disrupting the opponents plans. These are skill. An endless array of if->Then statements is not.
Finally if shaman is so good, why don't the pros play nothing but? But they do, so shaman must not be problamatic. As for blizzard's tuning of shaman, they got an overload versions spider mech, boulderfist ogre and tunnel trogg. Maybe these shouldn't have been in the same standard, but let's be honest most previous overload cards and support outside feral spirit and lightning bolt was shit is it that surprising when Blizzard decided to make overload work they might overtune it?
Tbh. I think the per crystal thing is the right support and the real problem is tunnel trogg being a one drop, unleashed elemental getting his bonus per crystal would go a long way towards making overload work through formats as a 3 drop is much easier to deal with than a 1 drop.
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I mean let me reduce control as much as you reduce aggro, clear the board, kill everything they play after that and drop my win condition.
But devil's in the detail's, that's why i suggested sitting down and doing the math, seeing how often the better player wins in mirror matches.
As for play mistakes well? To be blunt. Most control decks I see don't have turn 1 or 2 and sometimes even turn 3 plays they are intending to rely on, Hearthstone has a pretty consistent boundary of 15 or less being the unsafe space for your health, and aggro can get you there turn 4 reliably. Is it really so surprising they can lethal you down in the next 2-4 turns when control decks basically let them get into burst range for free?
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Run the numbers of control mirrors vs. aggro mirrors, and see how often the better player wins.
Magic found Aggro takes 3x as much skill as control, and really when you sit down and look instead of wanting to be smart it makes sense, aggro let's your opponent interact with it, control not so much.
Board Presence is the soul of interaction.
You control your opponent's next turn.
Let's have some fun, first i swing with your creatures into mine and make the best blocks possible and play any combat tricks to further buff my guys.
That rampant growth you were holding? I'm gonna cast it, since i get access to previously unknown information by doing so i get to write down every card in your deck(this is not a slow play violation.), and then "fail to find" giving you no land.
I see you have a draw four spell, i'm going to cast it on myself.
I wiped your board, drew four cards(discarding your draw), and have your deck list in front of me(discarding your ramp).
And this isn't a last ditch bail thing, this was my plan.
Oh and I have a body you can't kill with instants or chump block.
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But it's an important milestone because it tells them where "We can do whatever the fuck" lives. So In magic um well yeah, there are cards, tournament played cards in that 7+ region that just de facto read "You win, your opponent can do jack all." They just read it in far more interesting ways than "You win the game."
On a 13/13 body you can't target with kill spells or chump block.
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