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It only became popular after Dr. Boom.   Look at the stats and tournaments pre Boom and post Boom.  If BGH was so ridiculously dominant it wouldn't be dependent on the most included legendary in the game.  Also people would run 2 rather than 1.  However his 2 health sucks, so really he is only for removing a 7+ attack creature, and if there is none he is just about worthless.  Which is why people run one.

The big minions who often have ridiculously powerful abilities in addition to dealing damage that can end the opponent quickly have been balanced around BGH.  He is necessary for the game, or else they would have to change a lot of the big minions.  

Also most of the removal options listed are pretty bad, Emperor Cobra and Maexxna have to stay alive a turn and not be silenced or killed to do anything.  You've also listed a bunch of class specific removal and minions.  BGH is neutral which is a big deal, it gives Druid legitimate removal that doesn't have a massive drawback even if it is situational.  It can be used by any class...it allows Blizzard to go crazy with minions with 7+ attack, they can have insane abilities/value cause there is a threat of removal that is neutral.

Removing BGH would break the game, literally.  It is one of the lynchpins in how Blizzard balances 7+ attack minions.  

 

I want a minion that kills a low power minion when it enters into play. For example:

Card: Small Game Hunter

Stats: 2/2 for 3 mana.

Effect: Destroy minion with 3 power or less. Or maybe Destroy minion with 2 power or less.

Enter battlefield taunt: " I have got the cancer in my sights".

Would be terrible vs control decks but good vs aggro decks, right?

This made me laugh XD

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8 mana, 6/6. the total stats balance in the mana. the effect (unchanged) and board presence make it a still playable and high impact card in the -right- situation. just not EVERY situation like he is now.

6/6 body could be considered as a buff, as he now no longer could be BGH'd, thoughts?

fair enough, 7/6 could be admissable. i was mostly just thinking 8/8 when counting the 1/1 bombs. i momentarily overlooked bgh, going to a 7/5 would make him a bit too squishy and easily dispatched by most 4/5 drops and that would kill his value as a legendary

8-mana 7-6, same boom bots sounds pretty good to me!

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8 mana, 6/6. the total stats balance in the mana. the effect (unchanged) and board presence make it a still playable and high impact card in the -right- situation. just not EVERY situation like he is now.

6/6 body could be considered as a buff, as he now no longer could be BGH'd, thoughts?

Were their accounts banned?

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PJSalt

Indeed

I made an account specifically to say how fucking garbage this deck is.

will reno jackson work in this deck there seems to be not many duplicates in this deck

BGH is not good for HS but it's needed, that's the best way I can put it. I think the answer isn't to necessarily nerf the card, but rather to make it different. IMO, Hemit should be BGH and BGH should Hemit, exchanging mana cost and stats.

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Nothing wrong with the card.

Let's move on.

I didn't say anything was wrong with the card, I just asked if you could nerf/buff the card what would you do?

When you are dominating the game a Boom by you opponent is not gonna change things. If you are being dominated Boom is to slow. Where Boom does make a big difference is in close games where you are even, slightly behind or slightly in front. I like having a card that can suddenly change close games. Now as to nerf the card I think they should just make the card cost one more manna. They should not change the effects and stats  at all.

There should always be a couple of cards that can suddenly bring a huge swing in the late game, there just should not be too many and they should not be cheap. If you are playing longer control vs control games there should always be hope that there is a chance for a turnaround if things are starting to go bad. At eight manna he will thus be delayed a turn and the aggro and mid range decks can almost play if such a card does not exist and the late game control decks can still have a turnaround card to make the prolonged games more fun and the outcome less certain.

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7/7 to 7/5

Adding the two Boom Bots that'll count for 9/7 stats (like Malorne... i would say).

 

7-mana 7/5 sounds ok, maybe a little too squishy? Thoughts?

6/6 maybe

Once again, making him a 6/6 I believe would be a buff, as you wouldn't be able to BGH him :/

Dodging BGH could be considered as a buff rathen then a nerf. 7/5 is the amount of stats Baron Geddon has. Both have some kind of ''board impact. 7/5 spawning two boom bots would make the body of Dr. Boom not that much strong if the opponent doesn't have Dr. Boom. The boom bots doesn't need to get nerfed, they are what makes the card so good and unique.

8 mana, 6/6. the total stats balance in the mana. the effect (unchanged) and board presence make it a still playable and high impact card in the -right- situation. just not EVERY situation like he is now.

if they did go with the 0/1 suggestion they better get taunt. or else who the hell is going to charge into a 0/1 to give the opponent free damage. the 0/1 can't attack so it would have to have taunt or it's a waste.

oh wait now it sounds like Cenarius doesn't it? meh. poor choice of card modification when you just force it to be a lesser version of another card. without taunt, trash, with taunt, cenarius with RNG instead of guaranteed stats.

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Boom Bots are 0/1. Done.

Interesting, I think that's actually a very good idea Blizzard should consider, if they look to change this guy.

this would make him unplayable :/

no one will waste cards to activate the bots for just 1-4 random damage

Make him cost 1 mana more. He blows all other 7 drops away and should be in league with the 8 drops where he would actually have competition. Literally the only neutral GvG card I feel like I HAVE to own and I'm constantly saving dust to craft.

There should be no card that is a requirement to have in your collection first and foremost. That's a sign of imbalance. Let alone a legendary.

Furthermore adding to the "red flag" aspect of this card is how frequently it appears in legend-rank decks. On Hearthpwn alone it appears in 37% of all decks, and is chosen 100% of the time in arena (you'd be stupid not to).

Another approach would be towards his Boom Bots having less of an impact. Being a 1/1 is fine, but they potentially do too much on top of that 7/7 body. Turning down their potential damage could be the other option. Or you could even make it so that you only get 1 Boom Bot, instead of 2.

But those fixes would have to be chosen as one or the other, not both.

Edit: If what happened with Leeroy Jenkins is any sign; 1 mana is a BIG difference.

2nd Edit: Something else I forgot to mention is that it strictly outclasses War Golem. You should never have a card that makes another one obsolete. That's bad design.

The other obvious way to 'fix' him is to make the bots blow up any random character instead of only enemies. GvG was the RNG set, so might as well put more RNG into it.

Boom Bots are 0/1. Done.