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Is this supposed to be a GoT reference? The ship ballista that Euron used?

IMO Barnes should have just been something like "Summon a 1/1 copy of a minion in your deck. Give it Deathrattle: return this card to your deck". Then it's a minor buff for some decks but completely destroys its use in Big Priest, literally the only deck where it's an issue.

Why is fucking Big Priest not nerfed yet? Honestly. It ruins everyone's fun every single expansion. Barely anything changes in the decklist either. Just nerf it. I don't care that the win rate might not be overly strong, it's inherently frustrating to play against just like quest rogue was and that got nerfed too for the exact same reason.

I haven't seen Geist run in probably the last 100 wild games. Yes. Geist counters this but the chances of running into it are fairly slim IMO.

1-cost pogo is a huge deal. Now bouncing them with Daring Escape or Vanish isn't a huge tempo loss. I still don't think the deck is that good as it's hard to put a lot of copy/bounce cards and then still have some defensive options but it is definitely great against control.

But my achievements... =(

To those upset about the site closing, shift over to Out of Cards. It's the same thing run by the same people. It just sucks that our decks can't transfer directly over to it as I've been deckbuilding on this site for years but that always gives us the option to get a fresh start.

Hench-Clan Thug isn't in this deck? Also only one Southsea Captain?

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Nozdormu? 

 I'd love to know where you're getting a T5 Nozdormu from.

I really appreciate the thought put into this deck as it absolutely annihilates other decks. That being said, there's no reason you should be running double Doomsayer, Alarm-o-bot and Faceless Manipulator. You're already drawing these on the turn you want them so accidentally getting another copied pulled with your bot is very harmful to your gameplay.

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Just because a combo will technically exist doesn't mean it will actually be used by most players. I still remember all of the "Nerf Mechwarper" or "Nerf Ziliax" posts before Ziliax released because of the technical 'infinite'-esque value combos or OTK combos. Ziliax came out and only a very small amount of meme decks ever did any of that in either format.

 There's a difference between a 9 mana combo that requires three separate cards, two of which are legendaries, and is only accessible in wild and a 5 mana combo that requires two cards, only one of which is a legendary, and is in standard. I get that only a small number of decks actually used the Zilliax combo but this is FAR more accessible. Plus priest has a deathrattle tutor in the two drop mech Dead Ringer which allows you to get Sn1p-Sn4p while the Glinda combo just relied on sheer luck in draw. The card is just flat out good as is and priest has enough cards that could allow it to mess around with a mech deck using this as a finisher.

The problem with Demon Hunter is that every deck on the ladder is Demon Hunter, or a deck made to counter Demon Hunter. All the decks you list is not that broken because they live(d) in a meta with counters to everything, and not one class obliterating everything else. Look up HSreplay and see Demon Hunter is the only class with over 50% win avarage.  That is a problem for the game. Not every deck should be equal. That is not what Im saying, but you need 2-3 tier 1 decks, 2-5 tier 2, and so on. This has meta has one tier 1 deck, with small variations and the rest is in what you normally would call tier 3 or 4, including the decks you named. 

 Also everyone has most of the cards, unlike a lot of other decks, and because of that you see a lot of them right now

Skull isn’t a problem?  Skull is the most broken card ever printed in the games history. There is no way they play-tested this class sufficiently. What a disaster. 

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In my opinion, (and I am a rogue player), there is no need for DH nerfs. Win rate is high yes, but:

1) It is a new class, everybody are playing this class (so, data are strange)

2) It is not overpowered, it is good, if you use it in wild you will see that this class is not remotely broken as Mage, Warlock or Priest

In conclusion, it is fine in this way. After 2/3 weeks the win rate will be much lower due to class diversification.

For these reasons, your nerfs sucks.  

 

 In conclusion, you make no sense.

If the class was so balanced, people would counter it with much more ease, hence lower winrate. If almost everyone played it, the winrate would be lower because there would be more mirrors. Wild is not relevant due to standard being the official game mode.

Go to bed.

You cant just say that the data is skewed because its new and everyone is playing it because if anything the fact that everyone is playing a deck with a 75% wr is even more evidence that it needs to be nerfed.

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 Of course it will have better winrates, if everyone is playing it lol.

 Thats not how the math works, if I understand how they calculate it correctly, unless more people playing demon hunters uses the deck tracker than others.

Every time a deck wins another must loose, so the average win rate of all decks should be 50% per matches played.

Please explain how hsreplay calculated it, if I am wrong, if so t0nlpilS might have a point ;-)

The only people who try and defend this degenerate nonsense are of course, DH players who dont want their degenerate deck nerfed. They might actually have to think! We understand that it's a new class but DH as a class hasn't earned any of this! DH shouldn't be op right out of the gate, DH  should be rewarded by sticking to the class. This is exactly why the old team was against new classes 

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In my opinion, (and I am a rogue player), there is no need for DH nerfs. Win rate is high yes, but:

1) It is a new class, everybody are playing this class (so, data are strange)

2) It is not overpowered, it is good, if you use it in wild you will see that this class is not remotely broken as Mage, Warlock or Priest

In conclusion, it is fine in this way. After 2/3 weeks the win rate will be much lower due to class diversification.

For these reasons, your nerfs sucks.  

 

 You have literally no clue what you're talking about.

yea try playing something else than Dh then come back ... 

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I suspect this card is indeed underrated. It is situationally better than a 3 mana 3/2 so it may be a meta call. It also bypasses taunt.

Why is it be situationally better than a 3 mana 3/2 weapon? It deals less or an equal amount of damage over two turns - and while you get more of the damage up front, it means you can't kill a 3-health minion on the following turn. And 3 health is a pretty vital break point in the early game. I think you need Livewire Lance-like effects for a two attack weapon to be viable. Still, I can't say for sure unless it sees enough play for the data to be apparent.

And if you care about bypassing taunt, wouldn't you just rather have a weapon that deals more damage? It's not like that one or two extra hit points is going be the difference in races very often.

 Situationally better means better in certain situations.