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I can't remember seeing this before. If you look at HSReplay decks, it looks like theres tons of Tempo DH decks performing well  they're all basically the same deck with minor variations and the best ones have 60%-63% winrate.

Mixed in are the following decks:

Highlander Hunter, Face Hunter, and Dragon Hunter.

Murloc Paladin and Pure Paladin

Galakrond Rogue and Highlander Rogue

Highlander Mage

Totem Shaman

Token Druid

Galakrond Warlock

Ressurect Priest

Most of these decks have a couple versions at least with a 60-63% winrate. 

Spell Mage, Spell Druid, Galakrond Priest, Highlander Priest, Big Druid, Galakrond Shaman, Stealth Rogue, Egg Warrior and Bomb Warrior are showing 55-59%

All 10 classes have at least 2 decks performing at 55%+ winrate.

So, I suppose my question is... What exactly do people want?? 

You can pick ANY class, and have a choice of 2 top performing decks and if you're anywhere close to a decent player are STATISTICALLY SHOWN to have an average of 55%+ winrate!! What will it take to not have 18 threads created EVERY SINGLE DAY that are about nerfing a class?

I don't like being negative, but I honestly can't believe the constant salt, in a meta that has likely never been so balanced (literally inarguable. The stats show it)

Some of the decks are pure Tempo

Some are budget/FTP

Some are PACKED with interactive legendaries.

I'm really sorry to say, but this is a competitive game. Any game with "rewards" will be. People want to win, so people will play the top tier decks. That will NEVER change. The meta will ALWAYS be a majority of the most powerful deck, and then circle through counters. If that deck is nerfed to nothing, the next deck will take its place, and be just as "cancerous"... Your meme deck will NEVER be competitive. 

These percentages are statistic. If you play these decks, cycle them to fit the meta, change out tech cards to suit the meta, and still can't maintain 55% winrate overall, then unfortunately, your skill level is statistically below average, and your play is actually lowering the win% of these decks.

If a deck has a 55% winrate, then there are likely 2 people running it with a 65% winrate, 2 people running it with a 55% winrate, and 2 people running it with a 45% winrate. That is how statistics work. The reason for these variances are the skill involved. A good player runs 65, a medium player runs 55, a 'not so good' player runs 45

I'm bad at golf, but I still have fun playing with my friends... I don't blame my friends ball when he beats me... I don't blame the grass, I don't blame the wind. We are all playing on the same course, and they are doing fine. I take responsibility for my crappy playing.

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Rng is rigged as fuck Impossible rng is happening again and again and again. Druid plays Exotic Mountseller consecutively summons 4 King Mukla There is fkn 116 3 drops which means it already have chance to summon once is 1 in 116 and he summoned consecutively 4 King Mukla chances of it happening is 1 in 182 million lol. Totally rigged bro but that is not only it you know after he summons 4 mukla I played Apexis Blast and guess what I summoned a fkn Desert obelisk it has chance to happen 1 in 70 game doesn't just let me win screws me over and over with rng bullshit. 

I play 5 drop Bamboozle and Pack Tactics  my minion evolves to Octosari I get double octosari on board and lose the game it has %3,6 chance to happen.

One more game this time I have 6 mana with 4 hp drop on board and Bamboozle dude hits with weapon guess what worst 9 mana Mogu Fleshshaper it has %11 chance to get one of the bad ones I say okay he was lucky whatever and next turn I play another 6 mana and Bamboozle he go and hit with head weapon again this time it turns into Sathrovarr for fuck sake if he hits only one time to a guy that will stick on board or the one of huge ones I will win but no fuck me right. Probability of getting two time bad one is 1 in 36 which is %2.77 that guy won the game with that chance of winning 

This game is totally bullshit lol totally pseudo 

When you know how to calculate probability you know how fucked up rng in this game 

 Are you sure there are 116 3-Cost Beasts?

I mean, the chances are still very slim, but Exotic Mountseller clearly states it summons beasts.

 Lmao, right?? What are there actually? Like 12?

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Telling people to adapt is the same as telling someone who is experiencing life troubles "Life is unfair, get over it." Offer something meaningful. Anyone can say that. I don't personally have a problem with Demon Hunter because I hardly see it in Wild, but I will say one thing. These observations are both valid and relevant. Priestess of Fury is more strong than Rag. That Glaivebound Adept nerf did tackle the wrong problem. I would like to compare Glaivebound Adept to two Basic cards. Fire Elemental and Stormpike Commando. As for Stormpike Commando, 1 mana, or 0 with Twin Slice or a weapon already equipped, should not be able to justify +2/+2 and +2 damage in a Basic card. Fire Elemental is 1 mana more, one less damage, and one more health. 

To this day, I think they waited way too long to add a new Class to the game. I think it was a fun idea, but maybe not a good one. There is definitely a power level difference with Demon Hunter on a basic level than any other class in my opinion. 

 It's not like that at all... It's a constant barrage of the same salt over, and over, and over and people are tired of posting the same counters over and over just so the poster can call you names. These people just want everyone to assure them that it's the game, not their playing, and the moment you suggest otherwise by offering advice, they take it as an insult. "How dare you tell me these OP decks are beatable!!! I should be able to beat them with my meme deck!!! NERF DH UNTIL MY FIST OF RA'DEN SHAMAN CAN BEAT IT!!!"... It's exhausting... HS is a competitive game... Sometimes you have to play decks that aren't your favorite if you want to win... Sorry... Play your meme deck, and try to enjoy it even though you may not win much, play a competitive deck, or move on to another game... Those are the options... Blizzard knows the issues... Crying on this message board will do absolutely nothing... They will fix it according to statistics, or they won't. End of story.

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I have zero problems consistently defeating Demon Hunter with my Pure Paladin deck and I’m currently at Rank 1 Platinum and rising. You just have to adapt, man.

 Could you post a decklist? I like Paladin but haven't seen many Paladins lately (in fact I've just seen murloc paladins, duh). I just want an effective deck against DHs as resu priest doesn't seem effective enough, it's too slow :/

 I've probably gone about 10-2 vs DH D8-D5 with this build: 

### Pure Paladin
# Class: Paladin
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Phoenix
#
# 2x (1) Imprisoned Sungill
# 1x (1) Blessing of Wisdom
# 2x (2) Shotbot
# 1x (2) Murgur Murgurgle
# 2x (2) Libram of Wisdom
# 2x (2) Hand of A'dal
# 2x (2) Aldor Attendant
# 1x (3) Dragonrider Talritha
# 2x (3) Bronze Explorer
# 2x (4) Lightforged Zealot
# 2x (4) Consecration
# 2x (5) Libram of Justice
# 2x (5) Amber Watcher
# 2x (5) Aldor Truthseeker
# 1x (6) Pharaoh's Blessing
# 1x (7) Lightforged Crusader
# 1x (7) Lady Liadrin
# 2x (9) Libram of Hope
#
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
# Find this deck on https://hsreplay.net/decks/IfLOsHqDPoiZK0VMXkOFmh/

Or, you could go play Gwent... I don't understand why people think a game should adapt to them, rather than them changing games... The Hearthstone playerbase is consistently growing after all these years. That means, people enjoy it the way it is... If you don't enjoy combo decks, you can go play gwent... I also enjoy Gwent when I'm in the mood, but what I wouldn't do is suggest Heathstone change into Gwent to suit my mood... That would be ludicrous.

If there were no combo decks, there would also be no aggro decks, because control decks would run rampant... Every game would be mirror Priest matches. Wouldn't that be fun.

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Not toxic. Not negative. Just entertaining.

We need more of these.

I would contend that it was not informative.  Not helpful.  Not entertaining.

We need less of these.

 Why? There's no toxic opinion.. At a bare minimum, it reminds players to be weary of what's on board when they play Splitting Axe, therefore informative. It wasn't information you needed... Great... Move on... Should we have more "nerf this" "this is op", "I hate hearthstone" "I quit" "boo hoo" threads??

What threads are you looking for? This reminds me more of the fun stuff you find on Reddit, and I welcome it.

What kind of toxic mindset do you live in when you need to ambush a person for posting a quirky, slightly informative, fun post?

I'm also assuming you didn't get the Tropic Thunder reference, because if you did... Well then, you probably are just a miserable, miserable person, and I sincerely hope you find happiness one day.

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Why the fuck are people allowed to complain about some bullshit in hearthstone without getting locked by the moderators and to shut the fuck up and post in the salt thread? But when it's about priest everyone turns a blind eye. Its bullshit. 

 It's all about context... This is a discussion about a class.

The ones that get locked are usually people crying, and then when someone offers criticism, they reply "no you're stupid!! Nothing will change my mind" and proceed to plug their ears, and scream/cry in a 4 year old tantrum fashion.

If the purpose of your post is to generate discussion, where both sides offer input, listen, and debate opposing ideas, then it's valuable to the community. 

If someone creates a thread to whine about a post, and only wants replies from people that echo their own opinion, it should be locked.

No, because they are shadow spells, not minions.

I'm 99% sure, but if someone knows for certain otherwise, let us know. 

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If you play res priest or DH right now, you´re true scum

 You sound like Hillary Clinton.

 Trump is the one that spews insults 24/7...

 Oh please both of you, fuck off with politics......

 

 I wasn't really... I'm not a Trump supporter... I'm not even American... I was talking about her "People didn't vote for me because they're sexist" rant... That's always what I think of when someone makes a grand strawman announcement like that... "If you do (or don't do) 'apples', then you are without a doubt 'oranges'!!!"

Generally its, "if you dont agree with my unrelated statement, you are racist/sexist/homophobic" but it's made it's way to Hearthstone... "if you play (deck I don't like) you are a (terrible flaw of character)

Off topic, I appologize. Just explaining myself.

Again... if you're going to count the cost of the secret, you have to count the effect of the secret...  A targetable Freezing Trap + Draw 2 cards, summon a 2/3 poison, or evolve by 3 on a 1/2 body.

Freezing Trap can be avoided. 

The card is like 7 mana worth of spells on a 1 cost body... Stop trying to justify it like this.

It's okay on it's own, only because Rogue has crappy secrets... But, when you combine it with Shadowjewler/Shadowstep on turn 10, it can get pretty bonkers... It takes setup, and that's the purpose of a combo deck... It's supposed to beat Druid and Priest.

There's so much silly in this it's hard to imagine it not being written by a troll, but I'll bite...

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 There is no agro decks to counter them .

 No reasonable person has ever used an aggro deck to counter a control deck. The purpose of Control decks is to... Control aggro decks. If you haven't figured that out after 2 weeks of playing TCGs, I would suggest checkers.

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 I don't see poeple asking for priest nerfs. Do people really like playing +20 minutes games that much? It's ridiculous how broken those priests decks are with all the board clears and ressurect cards. I swear that minimum 80% of my games now are against priests.

Priest is currently the 9th place class according to HSReplay...

There is at least 2-8 posts every single day on this site asking for Priest nerfs... It's not going to happen. Priest will always be the go-to deck in an aggressive meta, like the one being pushed by Demon Hunter. 

Which brings me to....

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Now when DH got nerfed so hard that I barley see anyone playing it. 

Demon Hunter is STILL the number 1 ranked deck on HSReplay, with a 57.3% overall winrate, with the top Tempo build at 68.1% win rate.

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Blackjack Stunner isn't a 1 mana Sap, its a 3 mana sap since you have to play a secret to begin with to use it, so if you dont play cards to generate random spells from other classes(other then Shadowjeweler Hanar since if you playing stunner, you're probably playing this card) its a 3 mana max, but if you are playing those cards, its a at lowest a 2 mana Sap

card is fine where it is, and doesn't need a nerf

 I agree the card is fine... But, if you're going to count the secret cost, then it's a 3 mana Sap+Freezing Trap+Transform the next attacked friendly minion into one that costs 3 more on a 1/2 body... People have been saying Sap is broken for years, so... 

It's a card that's been called "broken" for years costing 1 more, and having 4 more mana worth of other spell effects (Freezing Trap + Explosive Evolution) on a body... So, seperately, it would cost 5 mana, plus the 2 mana advantage of Sap being able to target a minion.

Not a good argument for the card being "fine"

I agree DH should have been 2 mana +2 attack... Standard hero powers aren't supposed to have value.

Yeah... Brawl is far from OP.

This type of list is impossible, because cards are rarely EVER OP without synergy with other cards...

The true test would be to take the "classic" build of any class, and add the card... Would that deck suddenly have a 50%+ winrate? 

I don't really think any of those cards would individually do anything... Heistbaron Togwaggle would be 'meh' without Rogues crazy Lackey generation...

Stormhammer is only powerful because of Hunter's awesome dragon package... The card would be useless if they had to play vanilla dragons every turn

Hand of A'dal is a great example... Paladin is struggling to get up to a 50% winrate, because it has no buff synergy like Immortal Prelate... That would be AMAZING this expansion.

Your Warrior thoughts are off in my opinion... Risky Skipper is based on certain circumstance.. I dont know why you stopped at 3... You could heal/buff and do 6-7 damage to all minions... Circumstances... It only works with damage/enrage...

Brawl is really circumstantial... if your opponent is playing big minions, you could bone yourself. It has no immediate hard removal.

Right or wrong, thanks for posting an interactive thread! More of this, less posts whining and crying!

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Everyone loses by bad RNG you are not alone in that but yes you are making a lot of mistakes elsewhere which is why you are stuck at Diamond 3. Instead of focusing on the play where you lost through bad RNG focus on the mistakes you made up to that point and that is where you will increase your winrate

 I disagree. It's all luck. There are games where you make 0 mistakes and it doesn't matter....you still lose to RNG.

Then you answered your own question... if it's 100% luck, then there's nothing you can do. Change decks... There's a reason HS replay has a scrolling update of what deck is performing best in every region at every level. 

If you are convinced that winning players are just luckier than you then you've decided to close your mind to facts and there's nothing anyone can say to help you. Go buy a horseshoe or a rabbit's foot...

I learn new stuff every day. I adapt my decks every day, and I switch decks if a certain deck is appearing very frequently... That deck obviously won't be the first deck I play, so I play a few... If that deck isn't appearing anymore, I switch again.

Players are constantly changing decks to adapt, so don't be surprised if you switch to a counter and don't see the deck you're trying to counter, because your opponents are changing too.

If you're playing a deck with a 52% winrate, and you're not winning 52% of the time, obviously you're not playing perfectly. 

I make mistakes all the time... ALL the time... If you didn't, then you would be in the Grandmasters tournament right now and winning, because even those guys make mistakes. Unless those guys are just luckier than everyone else, every single day, month after month?

I'm actually not sure if this was just a salt post, or if you're actually looking for criticism. You started off asking for advice, yet you've shut down any offers, assuring repliers that your playing is perfect... Hopefully you're looking for assistance. I love reading people's constructive input, but 90% of postings on this site, are mindless whining, and refusal to accept any play critique. If you reject advice, then your only replies will be whiners, in which case, this echo chamber belongs in the Salt Thread

If people think there's no skill, that they lose constantly because of RnG alone, keep losing, and don't have fun playing... The best advice is to quit... There seems to be some serious mental illness in this community if people get such anxiety from playing the game, but can't stop even though they say they can't improve... if the game is bad... Stop... "I hate this, and it's all the game's fault!!! I play 4 hours a day, and I hate it... it won't change, but I'm going to keep putting myself through this, because.  !!!"... Sounds more like an opiate addiction than a video game... Next will be stealing from your parents/roomates/friends to buy another pack... I need it!