Hearthpwn

Wild streamer Dane has been playing Standard for a week.

So Wild is now permanently a Secret Mage Super-Toilet?

Secret Mage with the new 1 drop that draws at end of every turn is your new Tier 0 deck.

Great job making Wild a 1 viable deck format!

Hearthstone is now a Battlegrounds client to me.

Wait and see mode for me.

Quote from Sableflame >>

But you still have morons like the one I responded to who feel they desperately need to flex over a fucking imaginary card game.

 Your affinity for insults indicates they are your peer group.

I got my first Spicy Pretzel Mustard in a while, they used to happen on a regular basis but Battlegrounds has done a good job of balancing so steamrolling through a whole game is much less common because early units are no longer OP.

When I won the last battle, I remembered a tie occurred several rounds earlier so I wasn't sure I would get it.

But I got the achievement.

it is fixed.  The 15 damage cap until someone dies is the damage cap Battlegrounds needed.

There is no problem.

Quote from Xssx >>
There are too many meme decks. Legendary was once meant to be a unique card. Nowadays you can play the very speacial game changing card over and over again.
Imagine playing chess vs. an opponent who cheats a 2nd, 3rd king on the board or who is allowed to make 3-4-5 turns in a row.

I am playing since beta, but the game has never been worse than these days. And I don't believe that it will get better with the new expansion. I fear it will get worse.

 

 Wow, apparently you have playing Hearthstone in an alternate universe.

Rogue has had Shadowstep play the game minion over and over again since forever.

Youthful Brewmaster and even Ancient Brewmaster have been cards since forever.

Annoying forms of Resurrect Priest for ages, minions like N'Zoth and stuff like Bloodreaver Guildan.

Why is that "I've been playing since beta" is always followed by something stupid that means you really have not consistently played this game in ages?

Why not be honest and say you play off and on and sort of pay attention but mostly don't?

Instead of being surprised by cards like Shadowstep exist?  It is just annoying.

Quote from Hearthsam >>

Eh I dunno, all it did was make tech cards even more powerful, and if you're not playing an aggro deck you're spamming every disruption card that you can put in your deck anyway because they're rather broken in wild. There aren't any control decks that exist that don't have 2x rat, mutanus, theotar or loatheb in them. ETC on top allows you to play situational tech cards that outright make some decks irrelevant, condensed into one card so your deck isn't as shit.

An example is skulking geist - mediocre for a deck slot, but now you automatically win against all jade druids while having access to a swiss army knife of other hyper specific disruption cards that automatically win the game against other archetypes. Printing more and more cards like these that don't let your opponent play the game is going to become more and more toxic as expansions go by because we're just gonna end up with half the deck being "fuck with your opponent", and it's really not fun on the receiving end.

There is a lot of merit in what you say about samey tech cards in all control decks.

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but mage Skip a turn Quest makes etc dumb... Just my opinion... 

you can play the New mage legendary That plays All cards That wasnt originally in your Deck. 

nów Imagine playing the 4 mana Portion That plays your minion back and cost 1 mana. etc also allows brocken Stuff like That. 

 When I queue into a quest mage, I almost pee my pants with glee.

A single Dirty Rat, Mutanus or a well timed Loetheb ends the game.

Yes, they occasionally win, but if I make them play the combo as punishment, while they spend those 10 minutes doing te combo, I watch a YouTube video and laugh. 

Like Dr. Strange vs. Nostrilsdormu, I forced the Quest Mage as my prisoner to waste 10 minutes while I watch some funny videos.

ETC made Wild far better.

I'm sure the nerfs helped, but not enough it was going to be stale.

But the introduction of ETC really mixed things up and wild is packed with variety and there does not seem to be a Tier 0 deck.

I see a wide mix of classes, most of them have a few viable archetypes.  And somehow Pirate Rogue and Secret Mage are not oppressive.

I've been playing Shudderwock Shaman with Togwaggle in ETC in some previously unwinnable matchups, I can sometimes Togwaggle into Sir Finley and get a ton of Quest Mage cards or 1 cost Druid cards or Control Priest cards and it ruins the few combo decks out there.

ETC is best thing since Renethal to me.

Quote from freakin3 >>

There's something bad about a meta that if you get even a little bit unlucky it's over.  I understand a bit why they feel the need to make every hero and class more and more powerful, but they are skating a bad line.   

It kind of reminds me of arena, it was great before when you could draft badly but still make the most out of a bad situation, that is long past as the bucket system ensures everyone has a constructed level deck.

Not quite the same situation, but I doubt we'll see battlegrounds go the opposite way, it will probably get progressively worse.   There's a lot of lines that are pointless to go down because they get out scaled early.

 

True, it often feels like the game is decided very early, purely by RNG. If you don't have any power house by turn 7, while other players do, you're done, because they will grow from now on (every single turn), and you will fall behind more and more.

The game is absolute trash in its current state, we know.

And i'm not being sarcastic. It's absolutely terrible, unfun, uninteractive and booooooooring.

One of us. 

Yep, this is the problem with quest warlock and quest mage - they create an inevitable game trajectory. You can pilot like a complete jackass, actively misplaying once the quests are complete and find it hard to or even impossible lose. I hate decks that do this - it is exactly how jade druid used to function, I can not believe they brought it back, after the players base made it quite fucking clear to Blizzard this kind of gameplay was not cool, not cool at all.

I realise that Blizzard probably likes the deck design precisely because it allows jackasses to play like jackasses and still win some games, while feeling  super powerful and doing cool shit. Also the meta is so much easier for them to 'balance' when you have decks in the game playing this way - Rock meet scissors... Both these reasons are why Blizzard actively doesn't really like complex counterplay, or at times, any at all..

Winrates have nothing to do with how the fun the game is for the vocal and currently pissed off hearthstone communities of reddit and hearthpwn.

It feels played out to me.  I've stopped playing it mostly and didn't get the pass this time. 

The whole game feels played out actually. Passing the time with an aggro Mage deck out of spite.

Very true, now game plan in most of my BG matches looks like this:

• Turn 0 = be lucky and get good hero.
• Turns 1 to 4 = be lucky and get best stuff from tavern that works well with your hero.
• Turns 5 to 10 = try to gather as much power as you can (with hero power, triples and easy synergies like taunts, elementals or deathrattles).
• Turn 8-10 = half of the lobby is dead
• Turn 11-14 = game ends

There's indeed very little decision making, because midrange builds crush everything and game ends too fast.

Actually a very simple rule can be implemented:  count the number of times a player has gone first over the course of the match.

When 2 players fight, compare this variable and give the first attack to the one with the lower value. If they are equal, coin flip. 

It'll definitely skew the impression of having bad luck and make things seem more fair.

At least 'Last Warbands' section, now you can see every buff on every minon, I guess. (before: only golden / non-golden)

I didn't notice that anywhere, so maybe it's new to you too.