Hearthpwn

I switched to Runeterra as well, I still play HS somewhat but the amount of heavy and gamechanging RNG in HS is too much. I do not mind "light" RNG, but games completely turned around by a Yogg puzzlebox or Reno HP is bollocks.

Spell Druid gets crushed by early pressure, it is great when paired against slow, controllish decks but aggro wrecks it.

Quote from Macinstosh >>

What a ******** system. Matchmaking should only be based on rank. If you're in Gold, you only play against players in Gold and so on. That way, the good players will easily make it to higher divisions, and the bad players can work on their skills in the lower divisions. And for the Legend fellows, if they can't find a match, they can be paired with someone one division or two below them. Problem solved. 

 You are implying "gold" players are better than "silver" players. There are no "good" HS players; game is simple and not very deep ( not to mention the luck factor ) so there's not much skill involved. 

Legend players just had more time at their disposal for grinding.

getting to Legend is just a matter of time spent. It's a grind, now less "grindy".

Quote from Skelos_bg >>

Quote from TheImmondBeast >>

Heartstone is not a skill intensive game.

The main reason for this is the netdecking. The biggest skill in the game comes from reading the meta and countering it with a custom made deck. When the meta is stale, the top tier decks are known and people just netdeck. Very few players make their own tier 2 decks or F2P decks and play with them.

All of this can change and HS could become much more skilled game if they implement a mode which auto-bans the most played cards. Then netdecking would become useless since the moment more players netdeck would be the moment their cards get a ban. This means the creative players would prosper and their deck building skill would be properly rewarded. However, that means one more thing: There would be a lot of F2P decks in such mode and Blizzard does NOT want this since this would lower their income, which then leads to HS forever remaining a game designed without the deck building competition in mind.

 Well, I'm old enough to remember playing Magic the Gathering tournaments when Internet was not a thing ( yes, I'm THAT old ) and you speak the truth my friend. Your idea is very intriguing, and I for sure have nostalgia of the REAL times when ALL decks were homebrew decks!

Guys, there are no good/bad players, only players with A LOT of time at their disposal and can grind to legend and the people that do not have this luxury.

It's just a grind reaching Legend, Heartstone is not a skill intensive game.

Quote from SinAscendant >>

Quote from BA5 >>

Maiev is overrated. I regret crafting her, but she will fit in a few decks still.

Warlock Legendaries are ALL save crafts imo.

Although Shaman feels weak as a class, Lady Vashj seems good.

Same for Hunter and Beastmaster Leoroxx.

All the rest looks a bit meh to me.

 Maiev is a lethal enabler for all classes, that gets around Elusive. Go play against a Druid who drops Winged Guardian and then Dormant it to get 9 extra face damage and tell me she's bad again

 

Otherwise, Solarian is a 7 mana 7/7 with half of a Yogg box, Kargath is a 8 mana 10/10 rush and heal you for 10, Hanar is infinite value, Soul Mirror is a 7 mana board clear, and Evocation is a huge amount of free value with Kaelthas. 

 

Zixor, Reliquary, and Lurker Below are all also good in specific situations, Zixor in a handbuff deck, Reliquary in a general buff deck, and Lurker against aggro

 Yeah, cuz the Big Druid is totally not gonna play huge creatures with taunt or assault after the Winged Guardian and he is totally taking 9 damage in the face.

Maiev is good when you are already winning and in a good spot, but against the wall of creatures that the Druid spawns is very meh

Quote from RushingMonkey >>

Quote from TheImmondBeast >>

for Combo the hardest blow is the nerf on the weapon; Skull at 6 mana is still strong and anyway it was usually discounted to zero mana thanks to the Sunstrider. Another bad thing ( and weird ), when you draw the discounted ( thanks to Skull ) Eye beam lazor and it happens to be "outcasted", his mana cost is not zero anymore but 1 mana. Sucks hard.

 Didn't know about that Eye Beam interaction, hasn't happened to me yet. So basically, if drawn from Skull, it would cost 0 if played "normally" and 1 if it's in Outcast? Lol that makes no sense, hopefully they'll fix that.

And yeah the weapon nerf is probably harder I agree.

 Yes, that is how it works now. That's why OTK DH has a much much more harder time now.

^ very good points.

OTK DH was sooooo good yesterday ( I climbed almost to legend with it without much trouble ), now it feels very cluncky and unreliable. Too bad because it was a blast to play, oh well.

for Combo the hardest blow is the nerf on the weapon; Skull at 6 mana is still strong and anyway it was usually discounted to zero mana thanks to the Sunstrider. Another bad thing ( and weird ), when you draw the discounted ( thanks to Skull ) Eye beam lazor and it happens to be "outcasted", his mana cost is not zero anymore but 1 mana. Sucks hard.

Hey. guys. o/

Even tho i really loved HS for a long time, it got very stale for me the last 1-2 years. The whole terrible in-game economy situation combined with the fact that i had to start a new account was the finishing move. 

The reason why i sticked to the game for all the years was, that i assumed that it is just the best of the field gameplay-wise and cause i was a Blizz fanboy for the last decade or so. But boy, was i wrong...

About 2 weeks ago i reluctantly installed LoR, cause i was frustrated with HS. I was already biased towards LoR being way worse, cause i just didn't like what i saw from LoL.

So, i got into LoR with a really bias towards wanting to dislike it. I was so darn surprised that it blows HS out of the water in pretty much every aspect. And that EASILY..

In LoR there is almost no powercreep or pack filler cards. Almost every single card has its eligibility and can be implemented into some kind of strategy. There is no narrow meta game. Due to the fact that so many different decks are viable its super fresh. There are OTK decks, heavy control decks, midrange, aggro, attrition, mill, bomb warrior (haha) exactly like in HS. LoR is easier to balance, cause it is interactive: To every action of the opponent, you are allowed a reaction and vice versa. There is almost no RNG fiesta in LoR. It has secondary game modes with actual rewards! It has something like HS arena, which gives the most rewards and also another mode where you can build a highlander deck from own collection. It looks a lot nicer than HS, it's not weeby at all (which was one of my concerns beforehand). There is so much more calculation needed to play LoR optimally = high skillcap, which i love. HS on the other hand i can play to Legend while tabbing out to watch Youtube or similar. LoR is a PARADISE for deckbuilders! So many viable combos that one can explore and memes actually work. It is basically completely for free. The game gives tons of rewards, you dont have to buy anything. From my calculations i think i will have a full collection in the next month or so. The time needed to invest to reach the reward milestones is very little compared to HS. LoR resets the main reward once a week and i'm maxed out in terms of rewards already after 3 days of yes, intense, but compared to the time i spent in HS, moderate amount time. 

There is really only one area, where HS has an edge in my oppinion: The social system. In LoR so far you couldn't add opponents, but they will implement it within the next weeks i heard. Also i didn't find active communities for it like this here on hearthpwn so far. But that is really the only drawback for me. On anything else i'm not missing HS at all. 

So, my offer here is, if i sparked your interest i can answer your questions from the perspective of someone who is talented for card games but is still at the beginning/intermediate phase of learning LoR.

My request is, if anyone knows community sites like hearthpwn, but for LoR. Also, if you already play LoR, slide me your Riot tag and i will gladly add you. 

Cheers mates, looking forward to your answers. 

What you categorize as "fun decks" is subjective. Agro decks transcend the game of hearthstone and their affect are so substantial that the anger appears in forums all over the internet. That's a lot of fun.

Secondly, if agro was gone you'd be making posts like " imagine hearthstone without RNG decks"

Just go play magic

Aggro is not a problem, you can make a deck to win most of the matches, never all. Draw sometimes can be extremely bad and lose because you didn't draw any of your 12 removals in first 4 turns, its ok sheet happens.

I imagine HS without those bad beats by random spells and minions by casino freaking priest and mage.

I prefer 1000 games against face hunter than one game against

or against priest playing 15 spells and minions that didn't start in his deck/or keep returning turn after turn . 

Thats my real problem as a control player.

I have been marked as spam once previously for a post similar to this, I hope this one stays up. 

Recently an article was released by seeking alpha which documents how that even through hearthstone is losing popularity they continue to increase profits every year. I will attach a link to the article at the bottom of the form. If you control f "hearthstone" ( or about a third of the way down for mobile users ) you can find a chart showing decreased usage of hearthstone over time.  

I encourage everyone to scrutinize my claims and analyze this data for themselves. Please draw your own conclusions. However, from my perspective it appears although blizzard is sucking us that play consistently, dry, which makes me sad :( If this is the case, I encourage you to spread awareness to this issue wherever you can. If my interpretation is wrong, please let me know why below. 

If you have any questions, please ask. 

I love hearthpwn, thank you for everyone helping. 

https://seekingalpha.com/article/4393331-activision-blizzard-is-undervalued-unloved 

Quote from Pherosizm >>

Quote from Shadowrisen >>

I read every word of it, I DO have a background and master level degree in finance

 

 Thank you for analysis, Dr. Professor Lawyer of Finance.

Once again, bringing the facts to us normal folks.

 No problem, man.  Anytime.

Unfortunately I can't claim the title "professor", but the rest is accurate.

I read every word of it, I DO have a background and master level degree in finance, and I compliment you.  Basically everything you gleaned from the article is 100% correct, with one important caveat.

This article never gets down to a game by game basis, so the talk of MAU is a little clumsy.  The article tries to generalize monetization across all of Blizzard's titles, and that is the sort of thing that a financial publication will do without any real understanding of whether or not those numbers really mean anything.

For example, monetizing World of Warcraft is quite a bit easier than monetizing a game like Diablo or Starcraft.  Because, WoW has always had a subscription cost built into its model, whereas Diablo and Starcraft are single purchases with no ongoing monetary commitment necessary.  Yes, of course, they can try (with varying levels of success) to introduce cosmetics and such to sell to Diablo/SC fans, but they can do the same with WoW.  WoW still has that stream of income built in.

Hearthstone likewise, is one of their easier monetization models.  While there isn't a literal subscription, there is a constructive subscription for anyone who wants to play the Standard game mode, in that as new cards come out, one way or the other a player needs to stay up to date, at least enough to make one or two decks that contain modern cards.

Now, as to the subject of losing players, nothing in the data there specifically shows that Hearthstone has a declining player base, and here we get into the problems with generalizing MAUs across multiple games.  Obviously, Activision has the data on a per-game basis, but we don't have it presented there.  Even if you delve into Activision's financial disclosures, the best you can come up with is an educated estimate of the number of paying players.  There is no data on the number of players in total, except for third party aggregation sites like HSReplay, which have their own limitations in data gathering.

Anyway, on a company-wide basis you are correct.  Less people are playing Blizzard games, BUT more money is being spent per player.  Unfortunately, we have no way of knowing whether that statement applies to Hearthstone in particular.  From reading Activision's financials, I can tell you that Hearthstone hit a peak of revenue when Knights of the Frozen Throne came out, and that is likely for the same reason that WoW hit a subscriber peak during the Wrath of the Lich King expansion; namely, that people are particularly nostalgic for the Warcraft 3 Lich King storyline.

Given how ridiculously high the revenue spiked during KotFT, it is unlikely Hearthstone will ever get back to that level of profitability.  That's just a consequence of them using the most popular aspect of the Warcraft IP at that time.  However, Hearthstone is not on a multi-year downward trend.  The numbers fell heavily after KotFT, and then leveled off and began a slow climb again in the subsequent year.  Whether this is due to growing player base, more money per player, or both, is impossible to say from the data presented.

Quote from SirFabioRosado >>

Wasnt canada that in 2 world war run away and gone to play hide and seek?

 no? I served the Black watch royal highlanders regiment of Canada and This regiment got honors from the Queen in world war 1 , just google vimy ridge. 
Also some countries in europe still pays homage to canada every year for what we've done. 

If you'd stop thinking only americans gave their life to this war maybe you would open your eyes more.

The overlord operation (d-day) the americans took the easiest beach and gave the hardest to breach to the UK and Canada.

it's always been a guessing game.  a lot of people pick their home country.  Hearthstone randomness is enough that any one of these people could win it.  Even a guy off the street could come in and win it with the right RNG.  

its hearthstone, man. theyre all really good players. just pick the one you think is the luckiest 

Game's unplayable, but watch our crappy tournament!  Maybe it'll get decided by Yogg and the disgrace of Hearthstone Esports will be complete!