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I don't think (and hope with all my heart) priest will be tier1 king of all the decks. It just doesn't have enough draw to reliably beat strong decks like highlander hunter.

Also, Scavenger's Ingenuity was pretty busted as a 2 mana card. Just compare it with Call to Adventure. You pay 1 less mana and get +1+1? That difference is just completely bonkers. I never understood how they printed the card with +3+3 in the first place.

And while the card itself is already alot better, the synergies are also alot better. Getting charge minions, rush minions, deathrattle (porcupine) minions,... when you think about it, it shouldn't be a problem to see the card was busted with +3+3.

2nd buff incoming!

Aldor Attendant to 1 mana, 1-3 in stats will be a bigger buff to libram paladin than the 1 mana off of Libram of Justice we saw last balance changes.

Getting a solid one-drop will make any deck a lot more consistent. Especially a class that can buff on turn 2! Will it be enough? We don't know yet. But I really look forward to the changes!!

This is fucking awesome.

Not the mention turn 1 new Aldor Attendant into turn 2 Hand of A'dal. Paladin getting a solid one-drop is huge if you ask me.

She is too situational and slow vs DH. That is about the only reason she is not played.

Almost every card will still be useless for one more turn after awakening from dormant state. Priestess of fury, kayn sunfury, the 3 mana that summons 2-2, altruis, ... give instant value and pressure. This makes her a dead card a lot of the times because there are only a few good targets

Why would you compare it to minions from the same set? Compare it to minions from the same rotations, or game....

And when we compare pure value (like i did in my comment), the dragon is still the strongest. I think you underestimate the value of adding a random dragon to your hand, maybe even two. And value is what a priest is usually looking for.

I never said the card is OP. I never said priest can't have good cards. The only mistake I might have made is use the words "way overtuned", i'll correct it to "overtuned". 

Skeletal Dragon is actually way overtuned. It should cost one more mana, or not have taunt. Compare this card's value to cards available to other classes, and you see it's just not fair. The only reason it's not played that much right now because the meta is too aggro. If the meta were to slow down (it won't because T5 has their ass way up DH and Rogue's ass), the card would be completely bonkers.

For me personally, the game is shit right now. None of the decks I like to play are viable. My opinion is heavily biased, but that's just my opinion man.

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Primordial Explorer Hunter

Emerald Explorer Druid

Bronze Explorer Paladin

Azure Explorer Mage

These are the dragons who can discover other dragons for the 4 classes that represent the league of explorers.

Now, league of evil classes don't have access to them so they were granted Draconic Lackey which fits really well in the expansion. Remember that it's one of the 7 lackeys and it's a discover mechanic so you won't get the dragon you need everytime. The card is fair, it doesn't need a nerf nor any lackey does.

 

 Why are you even comparing these cards? These 4 dragons need to be put in your deck before the game starts. Lackeys are generated cards, that generate more cards, that maybe generate even more cards. See the difference?

Also, they are 3 to 4 times more expensive and they are heavily understatted for the marginal utility they provide (except for the druid one). Apples and oranges my friend..

Yeah bamboozle is fine.. Blackjack stunner is stupid and should be nerfed pretty hard. It is just waaaay too much upside for the little downside. Especially with the rest of rogue's arsenal already being unfair.

It's not fun to play against. And frankly, it also feels stupid to play myself. I could never get a satisfied feeling for "playing good" when i use this card. 

Hi guys,

I opened one of my decks to change out some cards. While I was browsing the cards I decided to go get something to eat. I went away for about 30 minutes. When I came back, the deck was still open, and I could still see all the cards that were in the deck (at the right side), but it said 0/30 cards.

When I cancelled back to my collection, it also said 0/30 and the deck was completely empty.

The deck was finished and saved before I tried to edit it. I had played multiple games with it. When I opened the deck to swap out some cards, I didn't actually swap any of them out, nothing was changed. So basicly I just opened one of my existing decks, went away for 30 minutes, and when I came back, my deck was just gone...

Any of you had the same problem? And a fair warning to all: If you don't have something like hsreplay on your pc, and you don't want to lose your deck (if you don't know all the cards by heart). Don't go into the deck editor and leave it open for a while..

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I find it very annoying that card draw is not completely RNG based. Obviously, cards needed for lethal are computed after each move and it's okay, but when it affects the top-deck or discover results I think that's not good. I think there's even a punish/reward algorithm that triggers this effect. You will start feeling it after a couple thousand games.

Opinion: If there's RNG, let it be pure RNG.

Before my kids were born i used to play physical MTG. I played competively, even made to 100 in the world at one point. Thousands of games over years. So I had a pretty good sense of what random felt like. 

When I first found hearthstone, I was overjoyed. Sure the game was simpler, but it was fun, it was deep enough and I decided to take it up. First I was limited by my collection, so I would not get past rank 8-10 in a given season. But then I crafted Dr. Boom and soon was knocking on the door of legend. 

But around that time I started really noticing funky things going on. The game giving me the worst possible hands and topdecks it could find time after time if I played too long. I would have a rush deck and get my 3 high casting cost cards in my opening hand, mulligan them away and then have them come back like boomerangs. 

I actually came on here years ago and asked the same question you were asking and I was met with a storm of insults, tinfoil hat memes, recommendations to git gud etc. At that point I did a lot of research into game design, reading about frustration plateaus and how they increase spending (candy crush is famous for this). I was also playing a phone game called clash Royale that had a card collecting mechanic. I could see how gaining cards in that game was not random, which made me question whether it was random here. 

What I came to realize is that hearthstone is engineered like all the other micro transaction games. Activision has patented methods that have proven successful to inspire spending. Blizzard gives symposiums on how to tinker the matchmaker to maximize 'player engagement'. What that really means is that they want to keep as many players playing and spending as possible. All parts of their game are built around this.

With the discover mechanic in general, and zephry's in particular. You can see they are perfectly capable of manipulating the results in a myriad of ways. And if you wanted to take a fair look at it, as a corporation with a responsibilty to their stockholders, they would be fired if they were not doing these things. So to me, it is simply common sense to assume that they do. And it is their right. 

The only part of it that bothers me, are the people here and on reddit etc. who will just act insanely aggressive if you talk about this stuff. They will try to get mods to ban it, they will try to engage you in a flame war simply for asking a legitimate question.

Now i am sure you will see a bunch of answers in this thread about perception bias, you will see some answers saying that you cannot assume that hearthsone isn't random because you have not spent thousands of hours running tests, you will see all kinds of attempts to shut down the discussion. Which is really troubling because kids play this game, and they should know the reason that they are having such insanely bad luck is that the game is trying to make them buy cards. 

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I had a control priest curve out imprisoned humunculous into Apotheosis on turn 3 so he had a 4/8 taunt with lifesteal on turn 3.  He also managed to draw breath of the infinite and holy nova.

I still beat him.

Right now my record against DH with non DH classes is 0-7.  My record against non DH classes with the generic DH deck that Blizz put together is 5-2.  My record against non DH classes with my own custom DH deck is 8-1.

Blizzard intentionally powercreeps with every expansion to make sure that people dump money on card packs.  They want to make sure that your old cards and old collection are worthless when an expansion drops.  Then, once as many people as possible have reached into their wallets, Blizzard will finally nerf the overpowered shit they just released.

It's honestly disgusting.

 Agreed, that's fucking disgusting, and it's beyond obvious that they've done this on purpose. I understand that it's worse from their perspective to make DHs too weak, but they went way overboard

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Quote from Beebs >>

I had a control priest curve out imprisoned humunculous into Apotheosis on turn 3 so he had a 4/8 taunt with lifesteal on turn 3.  He also managed to draw breath of the infinite and holy nova.

I still beat him.

Right now my record against DH with non DH classes is 0-7.  My record against non DH classes with the generic DH deck that Blizz put together is 5-2.  My record against non DH classes with my own custom DH deck is 8-1.

Blizzard intentionally powercreeps with every expansion to make sure that people dump money on card packs.  They want to make sure that your old cards and old collection are worthless when an expansion drops.  Then, once as many people as possible have reached into their wallets, Blizzard will finally nerf the overpowered shit they just released.

It's honestly disgusting.

 I would not call it disgusting, it's something that every gaming company do, it's not Blizz related only, the way i see it its a win win situation, the dust i will get after the nerfs will help us improve our collection, I already smell 10k or so free dust after the nerfs, tho no gonna lie, the game play is very very fun and fluid, the problem i see it everything click so good together it will be almost impossible for blizz to nerf dh without shitting on the class, while im annoy how strong they are i find the expansion fun so far, i seen 5/6 different type of decks so far, can't say the same about past expansions

 

 You're a cuck. Plain and simple. It's pathetic how you bend over backwards to defend Blizzard when they're clearly in the wrong. Just because "every other company does it", it doesn't make it right. Getting some free dust doesn't matter when the game isn't fun because it's completely imbalanced for weeks. 

Predictions? We'll see more whine threads than ever.

Isn't that the point on neutral commons though. Nothing special, but offers you an option

I knew I forgot something. Secrets as well. I only used my fingers so ended up with 10 different archetypes. Now I need my toes to count the rest.

Jokes aside. I hope we get a fucking pure Yrel or Maraad now that we are on Outland.

I actually sort of like this approach.

They're gonna have to nerf Shaman again for sure, but I appreciate that they tried to make the meta at least bearable as quickly as possible. This way they can take their time and nerf the right cards when it becomes clear what the biggest problems are.

I'm scared of a few things.

My daughter growing up to date some of you shitstains, for instance.

This card, though?  Nah.