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Sometimes I also wonder how many more people would pre-purchase an expansion if the prices were a lot lower. I have a couple of friends that used to play a LOT of hearthstone. But they played a lot for a couple of months and then take a break for a couple of months. This made it very hard for them to come back everytime they felt like playing again. Eventually they quit, because getting back into the game was too time-consuming or simply too expensive.

Most of them told me that they were willing to pay something like 30-50 euros so they could get back into the game. So if blizzard were to put the pre-purchase bundles at 20 euros for small bundle and 40 euros for big bundle approximately, they would actually buy one or two bundles and were very willing to keep playing whenever an expansion hit.

I have bought bundles in the past. But I don't feel the game is worth it to me to spend 80 or 120 euros to pre-purchase both bundles. If the cost for 130 pack (both bundles usually) was somethin like 50-60 euros, I would pre-purchase every single expansion. And I believe a lot of people would feel this way. Lowering the cost of the game will have more people spend money on it. Earning them more money overall and getting the game an even better playerbase.

Maybe they make more money with the prices as they are. I don't know. But I do know that they would make more money off of me, if the prices were lower. Because for my own conscience, I can not spend 80 euros every 4 months (for 85 packs). And I do very much enjoy the game. So I don't feel bad at all spending money on it. Spending money on something I enjoy is a very natural thing for me to do. It's just that I don't feel I get enough out of my money to justify the amount I have to put in it.

Don't hate on OP. He put a lot more effort in this than any of you guys did. If you don't agree with the 10 hours assumption he made, make your own assumption and redo the math..

I don't know if i'm an average player. But i do know that i dont spend 10 hours a week in the game right now. The first month of an expansion on the other hand, i probably spend a lot more than 10 hours a week. So it's really hard to find out what rhz actual average is.

Anyway, i mainly play for fun and do the quests in the meantime. It's nice to know, that for gold farming purposes, the 20 euro probably isn't worth it if you dont care about the skins. If you're going to spend money, it would be more cost-effective to prepurchase a bundle.

Thx for taking the time to do the maths!

I love it! This will make both murloc paladin and dragon paladin stronger. They're not tier 1 decks, but fun to play! Consistency is key, and drawing a card without losing tempo is always good in these types of decks.

Can even be played to tutor out your Amber Watcher or Bronze Explorer in a more control oriented deck.

Warhorse Trainer can be played for instant damage, Carnival Barker cant. So no, this isn't better in a hyper aggressive deck

That's true, but i still don't think that you would give up 2 deckslots to fit this card in. And spending 1 mana + a card to possibly mess with your opponents next turn.

The paladin decks that are being run right now have their own gameplan. Adding in cards that mess with your opponents gameplan will make the deck less consistent. Also paladins don't have enough draw right now to play cards like this. Drawing two copies of this in the early game will instantly lose you the game.

It's a cool card, but it's not really a secret if this is the only secret paladins are going to play. You need at least 2 but preferably 3 good secrets to put any secret into your deck.. otherwise your opponent will know it's this one and can easily play around it. The randomness can still screw him over, but it can just as easily screw you over aswell.

With more secret support, i love it. Without more secret support, i dont think it's going to see play..

Fck me, I absolutely LOVE this! Strong effect, cool art, cool entrance! This is a legendary boys <3

Also, it has the Demon tag. So an extra 5-5 for N'zoth to summon if your playing menagerie. Paladin doesn't play any other demons so far, so this seems like a bonus!

 There's a few things I really like and really hate about this card.

The good stuff:
- It's got a true legendary feel to it. It's a cool effect and a cool character. Also, it should be pretty strong.
- Recurring archetype for paladin. The identity crisis for paladin has been real. This year has been pretty damn good in giving paladin a clear direction, the decks have been both powerful and flavorful.
- Control aspect. I like control more than I like aggro, so this card would fit my style of deck pretty good.

The bad stuff:
- Obviously, if bomb warrior is still as strong as it is now, this card will lose a lot of its power. Lightforged Crusader is at least a 7-7 for 7, this card would be a 7-5 for 8 and would therefore be completely unplayable when your deck is polluted.
- The other 2 pay-off cards for pure paladin will rotate next expansion. So having to craft this card for a deck that will be around for a maximum of 4 months seems to not be worth it (I'm still going to craft it day 1). Hopefully there will be more pure cards in this expansion or the next one. Because I don't see why you would make a Pure Pally deck, just to run this 1 card.

Anyway, very cool card and I'm pretty happy with it! I play almost exclusively paladin, so crafting this is a no-brainer.

For free, only you pay 10 mana.

Yeah just kill the class that has been in the dumpster for years. You can all go back to playing broken ass gala rogue. Wouldn't that be fun!

The deck is strong, but it is far from as oppressive as other decks have been in the past.

im in

So everybody knows the latest nerfs were not enough and there are still a lot of problematic cards out there. So I took the time and recreated the most insane cards of the current meta (Standard and Wild) to make them more balanced (but still playable).

First Day of School is a Paladin staple. My approach was to just swap the numbers. It won't change much, but it's a start:

Secret Passage is almost fine as it is now, you just have to increase the mana cost:

To nerf Archwitch Willow was the right decision. But why lower it's mana cost??

 Guardian Animals is almost perfect as it is. Maybe they should just give it a minor downside:

Kael'thas Sunstrider is still a HUGE problem, played almost in EVERY deck, it NEEDS to be nerfed a third time:

Eveybody knows Ace Hunter Kreen has DOMINATED the meta for weeks on end, so I made some adjustments that keep it balanced:

Yes, it's finally time to talk about an ongoing problem, no one dares to speak out about .... Chillwind Yeti!! A 4 mana 4/5 without a drawback?? Ridiculous?? What were they smoking?? The uncrowned king of cards has to take a hit, hands down:

For Wild i think, Leeroy Jenkins is still SUPER UNFUN to play against .... let's turn that upside-down:

Also what's going on with these super-high health Poisonous minions?? Infinite damage to minions?? This needs to stop!! They have to be removeable!!

But because there are still a few unplayable cards in the game, let's buff a card or two (Poisonous is the way to go in my humble opinion, I know it's controversial, but buffed cards HAVE TO FEEL POWERFUL):

Yes the new Epic gem on Toothy Chest is not an accident - because there's still one more card to nerf:

 So what do you think? Could these changes make the game more fun and interactive?

You gotta know, most of all Hearthpwn users are in top 1000 legend and tournament veterans. And everyone here knows that the REAL game starts once you are in the current .01% of all players. That's why reaching legend or having a good winrate with Paladin on lower levels doesn't matter. At all. To anyone!

If your legend rank is 1008, you might as well be a literal baby playing on daddy's phone who got lucky a few times. Only once you are at 999 and better, you can consider yourself a "decent" player with "skills" who's granted the privilege to join the very serious and thoughtful discussions going on here. Unless you play the wrong class and deck of course. I shouldn't even have to mention this, but if you have a single win on your account with Hunter or even Demon Hunter, you are a brainless (as in, your brain must have been surgically removed) "aggro player", and nobody will ever take you seriously and you should probably uninstall the game.

And for the top 1000 players, the real players, with skills and brains and all that, it is obvious, undeniable fact, beyond doubt, and confirmed by his holiness, the pope himself, that Paladin is literally unplayable, the worst class in the game, and every single new Paladin card, even the unrevealed ones, are the worst of the entire expansion, just like in every expansion ever, and Paladin will remain the worst class for all eternity, as the skilled players have, in their boundless wisdom, have correctly deducted.

Sure, you might find that Paladin isn't all that bad right now, but you are not a top 1000 player, so your opinion doesn't matter to anyone. And you might find that some people exaggerate in their very mild and perfectly justified anger over recent Paladin card reveals, but they are absolutely in the right. They are among the top 1000 players after all. Ok, maybe not, but they totally would be, if Paladin wasn't so utterly horrible.

first thing that came to mind, considering res priest....

i think have pre-traumatic stress disorder now

Expectation: 4 mana: Draw 4 cards, your opponent shuffle 6 cards into he´s deck

Reality: 4 mana: Draw 2 cards, you opponent draws a card

Now where have I seen this before.....

Flesh..

Giant...

*looks down*

Quote from beuzmaun >>

I find it very annoying that card draw is not completely RNG based. Obviously, cards needed for lethal are computed after each move and it's okay, but when it affects the top-deck or discover results I think that's not good. I think there's even a punish/reward algorithm that triggers this effect. You will start feeling it after a couple thousand games.

Opinion: If there's RNG, let it be pure RNG.

Before my kids were born i used to play physical MTG. I played competively, even made to 100 in the world at one point. Thousands of games over years. So I had a pretty good sense of what random felt like. 

When I first found hearthstone, I was overjoyed. Sure the game was simpler, but it was fun, it was deep enough and I decided to take it up. First I was limited by my collection, so I would not get past rank 8-10 in a given season. But then I crafted Dr. Boom and soon was knocking on the door of legend. 

But around that time I started really noticing funky things going on. The game giving me the worst possible hands and topdecks it could find time after time if I played too long. I would have a rush deck and get my 3 high casting cost cards in my opening hand, mulligan them away and then have them come back like boomerangs. 

I actually came on here years ago and asked the same question you were asking and I was met with a storm of insults, tinfoil hat memes, recommendations to git gud etc. At that point I did a lot of research into game design, reading about frustration plateaus and how they increase spending (candy crush is famous for this). I was also playing a phone game called clash Royale that had a card collecting mechanic. I could see how gaining cards in that game was not random, which made me question whether it was random here. 

What I came to realize is that hearthstone is engineered like all the other micro transaction games. Activision has patented methods that have proven successful to inspire spending. Blizzard gives symposiums on how to tinker the matchmaker to maximize 'player engagement'. What that really means is that they want to keep as many players playing and spending as possible. All parts of their game are built around this.

With the discover mechanic in general, and zephry's in particular. You can see they are perfectly capable of manipulating the results in a myriad of ways. And if you wanted to take a fair look at it, as a corporation with a responsibilty to their stockholders, they would be fired if they were not doing these things. So to me, it is simply common sense to assume that they do. And it is their right. 

The only part of it that bothers me, are the people here and on reddit etc. who will just act insanely aggressive if you talk about this stuff. They will try to get mods to ban it, they will try to engage you in a flame war simply for asking a legitimate question.

Now i am sure you will see a bunch of answers in this thread about perception bias, you will see some answers saying that you cannot assume that hearthsone isn't random because you have not spent thousands of hours running tests, you will see all kinds of attempts to shut down the discussion. Which is really troubling because kids play this game, and they should know the reason that they are having such insanely bad luck is that the game is trying to make them buy cards. 

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I had a control priest curve out imprisoned humunculous into Apotheosis on turn 3 so he had a 4/8 taunt with lifesteal on turn 3.  He also managed to draw breath of the infinite and holy nova.

I still beat him.

Right now my record against DH with non DH classes is 0-7.  My record against non DH classes with the generic DH deck that Blizz put together is 5-2.  My record against non DH classes with my own custom DH deck is 8-1.

Blizzard intentionally powercreeps with every expansion to make sure that people dump money on card packs.  They want to make sure that your old cards and old collection are worthless when an expansion drops.  Then, once as many people as possible have reached into their wallets, Blizzard will finally nerf the overpowered shit they just released.

It's honestly disgusting.

 Agreed, that's fucking disgusting, and it's beyond obvious that they've done this on purpose. I understand that it's worse from their perspective to make DHs too weak, but they went way overboard

Quote from Auryon >>

Quote from Beebs >>

I had a control priest curve out imprisoned humunculous into Apotheosis on turn 3 so he had a 4/8 taunt with lifesteal on turn 3.  He also managed to draw breath of the infinite and holy nova.

I still beat him.

Right now my record against DH with non DH classes is 0-7.  My record against non DH classes with the generic DH deck that Blizz put together is 5-2.  My record against non DH classes with my own custom DH deck is 8-1.

Blizzard intentionally powercreeps with every expansion to make sure that people dump money on card packs.  They want to make sure that your old cards and old collection are worthless when an expansion drops.  Then, once as many people as possible have reached into their wallets, Blizzard will finally nerf the overpowered shit they just released.

It's honestly disgusting.

 I would not call it disgusting, it's something that every gaming company do, it's not Blizz related only, the way i see it its a win win situation, the dust i will get after the nerfs will help us improve our collection, I already smell 10k or so free dust after the nerfs, tho no gonna lie, the game play is very very fun and fluid, the problem i see it everything click so good together it will be almost impossible for blizz to nerf dh without shitting on the class, while im annoy how strong they are i find the expansion fun so far, i seen 5/6 different type of decks so far, can't say the same about past expansions

 

 You're a cuck. Plain and simple. It's pathetic how you bend over backwards to defend Blizzard when they're clearly in the wrong. Just because "every other company does it", it doesn't make it right. Getting some free dust doesn't matter when the game isn't fun because it's completely imbalanced for weeks.