Sometimes I also wonder how many more people would pre-purchase an expansion if the prices were a lot lower. I have a couple of friends that used to play a LOT of hearthstone. But they played a lot for a couple of months and then take a break for a couple of months. This made it very hard for them to come back everytime they felt like playing again. Eventually they quit, because getting back into the game was too time-consuming or simply too expensive.
Most of them told me that they were willing to pay something like 30-50 euros so they could get back into the game. So if blizzard were to put the pre-purchase bundles at 20 euros for small bundle and 40 euros for big bundle approximately, they would actually buy one or two bundles and were very willing to keep playing whenever an expansion hit.
I have bought bundles in the past. But I don't feel the game is worth it to me to spend 80 or 120 euros to pre-purchase both bundles. If the cost for 130 pack (both bundles usually) was somethin like 50-60 euros, I would pre-purchase every single expansion. And I believe a lot of people would feel this way. Lowering the cost of the game will have more people spend money on it. Earning them more money overall and getting the game an even better playerbase.
Maybe they make more money with the prices as they are. I don't know. But I do know that they would make more money off of me, if the prices were lower. Because for my own conscience, I can not spend 80 euros every 4 months (for 85 packs). And I do very much enjoy the game. So I don't feel bad at all spending money on it. Spending money on something I enjoy is a very natural thing for me to do. It's just that I don't feel I get enough out of my money to justify the amount I have to put in it.
Don't hate on OP. He put a lot more effort in this than any of you guys did. If you don't agree with the 10 hours assumption he made, make your own assumption and redo the math..
I don't know if i'm an average player. But i do know that i dont spend 10 hours a week in the game right now. The first month of an expansion on the other hand, i probably spend a lot more than 10 hours a week. So it's really hard to find out what rhz actual average is.
Anyway, i mainly play for fun and do the quests in the meantime. It's nice to know, that for gold farming purposes, the 20 euro probably isn't worth it if you dont care about the skins. If you're going to spend money, it would be more cost-effective to prepurchase a bundle.
I played 1 game so far. My shaman opponent clearly didn't know how it worked, because turn 2 I fished an Earth Elemental out if his deck xD I was playing murlocs. Low cost battlecries are probably better, but murlocs were fun..
There's a few things I really like and really hate about this card.
The good stuff: - It's got a true legendary feel to it. It's a cool effect and a cool character. Also, it should be pretty strong. - Recurring archetype for paladin. The identity crisis for paladin has been real. This year has been pretty damn good in giving paladin a clear direction, the decks have been both powerful and flavorful. - Control aspect. I like control more than I like aggro, so this card would fit my style of deck pretty good.
The bad stuff: - Obviously, if bomb warrior is still as strong as it is now, this card will lose a lot of its power. Lightforged Crusader is at least a 7-7 for 7, this card would be a 7-5 for 8 and would therefore be completely unplayable when your deck is polluted. - The other 2 pay-off cards for pure paladin will rotate next expansion. So having to craft this card for a deck that will be around for a maximum of 4 months seems to not be worth it (I'm still going to craft it day 1). Hopefully there will be more pure cards in this expansion or the next one. Because I don't see why you would make a Pure Pally deck, just to run this 1 card.
Anyway, very cool card and I'm pretty happy with it! I play almost exclusively paladin, so crafting this is a no-brainer.
Even if you don't run these cards you can easily generate them with Sethekk Veilweaver or Invoke/Galakrond hero power.
And in turn Priest gets destroyed by any low curve deck, which is the majority of the meta rn. Not really a good trade-off if you ask me
A low curve deck should also be able to easily win vs Paladin. Because a lot of lists don't even run Consecration anymore. And no board presence for paladin, means no win.
In europe, diamond 4, i faced quite a wide variety of decks. Some pala's, druids, mages, shamans, warlock. People seemed to try out new stuff. The druids felt pretty bad to play against.
Secret passage itself is a card that needs to be played and will therefore result in 1 less card in your hand. So your calculation about card advantage is not entirely correct. Starting with 5 cards in your hand and playing secret passage will result in 4 cards in your hand at the end if your turn. So the card advantage your calculated is always -1 for playing secret passage itself. But yeah the card is, as you say, insane. Gonna do some completely busted and tilting stuff i'm afraid.
The aggro deck just seems bad tbh, with a lot of mediocre cards. I would actually just cut Kael'thas Sunstrider for Lord Barov. What do you want to cheat out with KT? Hoping you have KT, 2 cheap spells AND a non-discounted Libram of Hope in your hand is not enough reason to include him in the deck.
Lord Barov on the other hand, can straight up win you a bunch of games.
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If I'm playing paladin, I need to exaxtly draw attendant into truthseeker into libram of hope, with an amver watcher in between.
And then I still die to 24 damage in the face.
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This is purely based on the types of decks you play and the amount of time you play them.
If you play day in day out with the "best" decks. You should've reached legend in 6 years.
However, if you don't spend that much time in the game. Or you spend more time having fun and not actually trying to hit legend, it's completely fine.
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Sometimes I also wonder how many more people would pre-purchase an expansion if the prices were a lot lower. I have a couple of friends that used to play a LOT of hearthstone. But they played a lot for a couple of months and then take a break for a couple of months. This made it very hard for them to come back everytime they felt like playing again. Eventually they quit, because getting back into the game was too time-consuming or simply too expensive.
Most of them told me that they were willing to pay something like 30-50 euros so they could get back into the game. So if blizzard were to put the pre-purchase bundles at 20 euros for small bundle and 40 euros for big bundle approximately, they would actually buy one or two bundles and were very willing to keep playing whenever an expansion hit.
I have bought bundles in the past. But I don't feel the game is worth it to me to spend 80 or 120 euros to pre-purchase both bundles. If the cost for 130 pack (both bundles usually) was somethin like 50-60 euros, I would pre-purchase every single expansion. And I believe a lot of people would feel this way. Lowering the cost of the game will have more people spend money on it. Earning them more money overall and getting the game an even better playerbase.
Maybe they make more money with the prices as they are. I don't know. But I do know that they would make more money off of me, if the prices were lower. Because for my own conscience, I can not spend 80 euros every 4 months (for 85 packs). And I do very much enjoy the game. So I don't feel bad at all spending money on it. Spending money on something I enjoy is a very natural thing for me to do. It's just that I don't feel I get enough out of my money to justify the amount I have to put in it.
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Don't hate on OP. He put a lot more effort in this than any of you guys did. If you don't agree with the 10 hours assumption he made, make your own assumption and redo the math..
I don't know if i'm an average player. But i do know that i dont spend 10 hours a week in the game right now. The first month of an expansion on the other hand, i probably spend a lot more than 10 hours a week. So it's really hard to find out what rhz actual average is.
Anyway, i mainly play for fun and do the quests in the meantime. It's nice to know, that for gold farming purposes, the 20 euro probably isn't worth it if you dont care about the skins. If you're going to spend money, it would be more cost-effective to prepurchase a bundle.
Thx for taking the time to do the maths!
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I played 1 game so far. My shaman opponent clearly didn't know how it worked, because turn 2 I fished an Earth Elemental out if his deck xD I was playing murlocs. Low cost battlecries are probably better, but murlocs were fun..
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You will discover so many 1-mana spells tho :( I don't think any deck can afford to run this.
After rotation, this card starts looking a lot sweeter. A lot of 1-mana spells will rotate
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Warhorse Trainer can be played for instant damage, Carnival Barker cant. So no, this isn't better in a hyper aggressive deck
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There's a few things I really like and really hate about this card.
The good stuff:
- It's got a true legendary feel to it. It's a cool effect and a cool character. Also, it should be pretty strong.
- Recurring archetype for paladin. The identity crisis for paladin has been real. This year has been pretty damn good in giving paladin a clear direction, the decks have been both powerful and flavorful.
- Control aspect. I like control more than I like aggro, so this card would fit my style of deck pretty good.
The bad stuff:
- Obviously, if bomb warrior is still as strong as it is now, this card will lose a lot of its power. Lightforged Crusader is at least a 7-7 for 7, this card would be a 7-5 for 8 and would therefore be completely unplayable when your deck is polluted.
- The other 2 pay-off cards for pure paladin will rotate next expansion. So having to craft this card for a deck that will be around for a maximum of 4 months seems to not be worth it (I'm still going to craft it day 1). Hopefully there will be more pure cards in this expansion or the next one. Because I don't see why you would make a Pure Pally deck, just to run this 1 card.
Anyway, very cool card and I'm pretty happy with it! I play almost exclusively paladin, so crafting this is a no-brainer.
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For free, only you pay 10 mana.
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A low curve deck should also be able to easily win vs Paladin. Because a lot of lists don't even run Consecration anymore. And no board presence for paladin, means no win.
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Yeah just kill the class that has been in the dumpster for years. You can all go back to playing broken ass gala rogue. Wouldn't that be fun!
The deck is strong, but it is far from as oppressive as other decks have been in the past.
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In europe, diamond 4, i faced quite a wide variety of decks. Some pala's, druids, mages, shamans, warlock. People seemed to try out new stuff. The druids felt pretty bad to play against.
Playing midrange pala myself
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Secret passage itself is a card that needs to be played and will therefore result in 1 less card in your hand. So your calculation about card advantage is not entirely correct. Starting with 5 cards in your hand and playing secret passage will result in 4 cards in your hand at the end if your turn. So the card advantage your calculated is always -1 for playing secret passage itself. But yeah the card is, as you say, insane. Gonna do some completely busted and tilting stuff i'm afraid.
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hahahahahaha
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The aggro deck just seems bad tbh, with a lot of mediocre cards. I would actually just cut Kael'thas Sunstrider for Lord Barov. What do you want to cheat out with KT? Hoping you have KT, 2 cheap spells AND a non-discounted Libram of Hope in your hand is not enough reason to include him in the deck.
Lord Barov on the other hand, can straight up win you a bunch of games.