I've tried a libram pally deck with Elekk to counter Tickatus warlocks. Hold on to the Elekk for after they burn your deck and full it up with cheap spells so you don't take all the fatigue damage. Unfortunately, I found it to not be very effective :D
Haven't tried it with secrets tho! Gl with this one
It’s hard to say if it should be changed. The thing about devolving missililes is that it’s great for early game tempo, but its usefulness decays a lot as the match goes on. Turning a 3 drop into a 0 drop for example is great, but turning 3 5 mana cards into 3 4 mana cards doesn’t do that much, especially if you are running high value Battlecry minions because then you might actually benefit from devolving missiles. Later on in the game it reduces a lower percentage of your tempo than in the early game, so it’s “balanced” by being a bad draw in the late game and a fair draw in the mid game.
The thing is though, high cost minions usually don't have enough impact on the game anymore. Most decks aren't running a lot (if any) high cost minions. Instead, they just play multiple smaller minions in the later turns. So I fully agree with the decaying power of the card. Only this is not applicable in most games played today.
That’s why I put “balanced” in quotation marks, because it is a theoretical balance. In reality, at the moment there is not really as much “late game” where it would in fact be a bad draw. End game is sometimes just skipped by an overwhelming early and mid game, or might only last a turn.
It’s hard to say if it should be changed. The thing about devolving missililes is that it’s great for early game tempo, but its usefulness decays a lot as the match goes on. Turning a 3 drop into a 0 drop for example is great, but turning 3 5 mana cards into 3 4 mana cards doesn’t do that much, especially if you are running high value Battlecry minions because then you might actually benefit from devolving missiles. Later on in the game it reduces a lower percentage of your tempo than in the early game, so it’s “balanced” by being a bad draw in the late game and a fair draw in the mid game.
The thing is though, high cost minions usually don't have enough impact on the game anymore. Most decks aren't running a lot (if any) high cost minions. Instead, they just play multiple smaller minions in the later turns. So I fully agree with the decaying power of the card. Only this is not applicable in most games played today.
I'm interested in reading people's opinions about this card.
I feel the card is way too strong for 1 mana. It counters deathrattles, buffs, taunts, ... And it can hit 3 minions, that's damn huge. And again, it's ONE mana.
On the other hand, it's fine for some classes to have a strong card like this. Because multiple classes do. It's the combination of strong cards in mage particularly that make cards like this feel pretty unfair. So I don't necessarily think this should be nerfed. As long as something else from mage gets nerfed.
It's true, there will always be people that complain. But there is a big difference between a community complaining about completely busted cards/decks, and some people complaining about annoying cards or unfavored matchups.
To answer OP's question. Yes, I think after balance patch, the meta will be pretty good. I will probably only complain about Tickatus. And the meta will definately not be "the worst we've ever seen".
EDIT: i believe pizzacats is right btw. When is the last time you saw so many threads about the same deck on this forum? Last expansion, almost no one was complaining about the meta. There were some threads here and there about ramp paladin, which needed a small fix. These complaints were pretty justified.
The thing is, happy people don't often post on the forum to say that they are happy. They just play the game. Unhappy people come here to share their frustration and trying to be heard. So all you see is negative stuff.
I've bought the tavern pass. I believe it is worth it if you complete your weekly and daily quests. You will net a decent amount of gold throughout the season, so you're able to buy a bunch of packs at the start of a new expansion.
I have bought packs in the past. Felt good about it when I had a great opening with a lot of legendaries. But it really sucks when you pay money for packs, and you lowroll the amount of legendaries you get.
If mage wasn't around to stomp everything and their grandmother, there would be easy counters vs Paladin. I can't imagine winning a game with secret paladin if the weapon gets oozed. You just lose right off the bat.
Try teching against mage though, lol. They play 6 cards a turn for free and draw 7 more cards in the process. And I'm not even talking about Deck of Lunacy. The standard no minion mage deck is super strong with busted cards like Devolving Missiles, Apexis Blast and Refreshing Spring Water. And when I think about it, Incanter's Flow, Brain Freeze and Font of Power are also busted for their cost. You know a class has too many tools to control the game when they can play a card like Mask of C'Thun.
When you single these cards out, I guess it's fine. But it's all of these busted or borderline busted cards, packed into 1 single deck, that makes mage the most meta-defining class in the game. Combo this deck with Deck of Lunacy (and the consistency it has right now), and you get a super frustrating experience as a hearthstone player. Feeling absolutely useless when losing to this. You're descisions, don't matter. The minions you play, don't matter. You're deck strategy, doesn't matter.
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Paladin had good draw? Paladin has litterally no draw apart from a few cycle cards (that are admittadly very strong).
There is no way to draw multiple cards other than playing something like malygos.
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I've tried a libram pally deck with Elekk to counter Tickatus warlocks. Hold on to the Elekk for after they burn your deck and full it up with cheap spells so you don't take all the fatigue damage. Unfortunately, I found it to not be very effective :D
Haven't tried it with secrets tho! Gl with this one
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The nerfs aren't coming soon enough, i can tell you that fucking much
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You can't play C'thun as your win condition, because Tickatus will destroy you, you should play silas + ashtongue instead!
"Tickatus destroys silas or ashtongue or shield slam..."
I mean... what's the difference? Tickatus will still screw you over big time. Together with Lord Jaraxxus you won't have a chance.
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I full heartedly agree with you then.
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The thing is though, high cost minions usually don't have enough impact on the game anymore. Most decks aren't running a lot (if any) high cost minions. Instead, they just play multiple smaller minions in the later turns. So I fully agree with the decaying power of the card. Only this is not applicable in most games played today.
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I'm interested in reading people's opinions about this card.
I feel the card is way too strong for 1 mana. It counters deathrattles, buffs, taunts, ... And it can hit 3 minions, that's damn huge. And again, it's ONE mana.
On the other hand, it's fine for some classes to have a strong card like this. Because multiple classes do. It's the combination of strong cards in mage particularly that make cards like this feel pretty unfair. So I don't necessarily think this should be nerfed. As long as something else from mage gets nerfed.
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It's true, there will always be people that complain. But there is a big difference between a community complaining about completely busted cards/decks, and some people complaining about annoying cards or unfavored matchups.
To answer OP's question. Yes, I think after balance patch, the meta will be pretty good. I will probably only complain about Tickatus. And the meta will definately not be "the worst we've ever seen".
EDIT: i believe pizzacats is right btw. When is the last time you saw so many threads about the same deck on this forum? Last expansion, almost no one was complaining about the meta. There were some threads here and there about ramp paladin, which needed a small fix. These complaints were pretty justified.
The thing is, happy people don't often post on the forum to say that they are happy. They just play the game. Unhappy people come here to share their frustration and trying to be heard. So all you see is negative stuff.
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I've bought the tavern pass. I believe it is worth it if you complete your weekly and daily quests. You will net a decent amount of gold throughout the season, so you're able to buy a bunch of packs at the start of a new expansion.
I have bought packs in the past. Felt good about it when I had a great opening with a lot of legendaries. But it really sucks when you pay money for packs, and you lowroll the amount of legendaries you get.
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hahaha wtf are these nerfs to yogg and hope.
Pen flinger should deal 1 damage to a random enemy and the weapon would be fine at 3 mana. Other than that no changes are needed to paladin
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wait for nerf.
There really isn't a consistent way to beat them because the deck is really versatile. Maybe superaggro, I haven't tried that yet.
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If mage wasn't around to stomp everything and their grandmother, there would be easy counters vs Paladin. I can't imagine winning a game with secret paladin if the weapon gets oozed. You just lose right off the bat.
Try teching against mage though, lol. They play 6 cards a turn for free and draw 7 more cards in the process. And I'm not even talking about Deck of Lunacy. The standard no minion mage deck is super strong with busted cards like Devolving Missiles, Apexis Blast and Refreshing Spring Water. And when I think about it, Incanter's Flow, Brain Freeze and Font of Power are also busted for their cost. You know a class has too many tools to control the game when they can play a card like Mask of C'Thun.
When you single these cards out, I guess it's fine. But it's all of these busted or borderline busted cards, packed into 1 single deck, that makes mage the most meta-defining class in the game. Combo this deck with Deck of Lunacy (and the consistency it has right now), and you get a super frustrating experience as a hearthstone player. Feeling absolutely useless when losing to this. You're descisions, don't matter. The minions you play, don't matter. You're deck strategy, doesn't matter.
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Haha this guy lost to paladin with his retarded mage deck!
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That's actually a really interesting nerf.
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1 guy finishing a C'thun in 1 game makes you understand why people hate Tickatus. Ok.
There's plenty of reasons to hate that card.