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Leave Leeroy alone.

 why? so that people like you can keep playing their brainless game?

How is the presence of a finisher "brainless".  Or are you one of those "aggro is brainless" tards?  Name me one good player who doesn't play Aggro at some point or another?

Wild players never stop crying about some deck.

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I mean he definitely is too strong but i feel like zilliax is even more op. according to hsreplay.net Leeroy is in 36.5% of the decks meanwhile zilliax is in 51%of the decks which means that on average there is a zilliax in every game.

 Zilliax is a strong card in mech decks, but Zilliax isn't a face card like Leeroy is. He's board removal and healing. He's mediocre at both, but the best sustain for some classes. Without Zilliax, face would be WAAAY more dominant than it already is.

I've been against the charge mechanic in general since day 1 because of how detrimental it has always been. It took them years to finally stop fucking printing it and it made the game way better. But now we're left with Kor'kron Commander, Leeroy Jenkins and Unleash the Hounds as the final bastions of Charge.

Class cards having insanely powerful mechanics (cost deduction, charge, divine shield) is fine. Leeroy's a colossal pain as a neutral card.

And after we get rid of Charge, what is next?  Burn spells that can go face?

We could make every minion in the game be N-mana with N/N+1 stats and no text.  Sounds like great fun, doesn't it.

We have had three expansions of broken rush cards dominating the Meta.  Just because they can't go face, doesn't mean they aren't OP.

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It is popular Hunter now because Shaman became slower by nerfs and it is very easy to counter him with having a healing kit.

They said they would make changes in January on Reddit.

No, that is NOT what they said.  They said that they would consider making other changes, if necessary.  Most people have figured out that the Meta is reasonably (not perfectly) balance right now, so I suspect a Balance patch is totally unnecessary.  The Adventure will come out later this month, and that alone will shake up the Meta.  It's possible to see a balance patch in Feb/Mar, but even that is not a guarantee.

OP, if you took a look at HSR, you would notice that Galakrond Warrior is the most popular deck in the game across all Ranks.  And while Face Hunter is the second most popular, it's play rate (as well as it win rate) shrinks as you get to higher and higher ranks.

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Leave Leeroy alone.

 He just wants to enjoy his chicken in peace :(

... and wants to have some bacon with it.  Sorry Huffer, but everything tastes better with bacon.

The analogy to WoW seems bad as level cap in WoW doesn't relate to hero starting Health in HS.  It's like comparing apples to earthworms.  Totally unrelated.

Regardless, the whole game is designed around 30 health.  Changing it to something else would require massive changes to the game.  It would be a totally new game.

No reason to do this.

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Use it after lazul or chameleos. Also if u think carefully about options u will get it right. I have 60 percent success with it.

Right.  Justify playing bad cards by playing more bad cards.

Astonishing!

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Moved to Wild forum

Is that enough?

OP practically lives and bathes in the Salt Thread.  It goes there to spit venom whenever it loses a game.

I don't even see the reason for a Salt Thread in the first place.  People who are sore losers shouldn't be playing games in the first place.

But given the fact that there is one, why not move this thread, as well as all threads of the form "Card/Deck needs a nerf" to it?  There is absolutely nothing constructive that ever comes out of these threads.

Or is HearthPwn only a dumping ground for born losers to shit on the game?

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When was the last time this game was genuinely fun with all 9 classes without having to rely on Aggro or boring-ass Control decks?

 About two weeks between the nerf that reverted Luna's Pocket Galaxy and the patch that added Evolve.

Two weeks is all Blizzard can manage before they screw things up again. This time we didn't even get that much.  OP Shaman was replaced with Hypercontrol Priest, and here we are.

Do you ever do anything other than whine and cry?

 Do you do anything other than kiss developers ass?

 You just have to ignore TardisGreen, they only spout toxic opinions without purpose.  One of the few trolls left at Hearthpwn.

You should try looking in the mirror.

This.  In less than TWO days of the New Year we have had FIVE of these threads.

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It is popular Hunter now because Shaman became slower by nerfs and it is very easy to counter him with having a healing kit.

They said they would make changes in January on Reddit.

No, that is NOT what they said.  They said that they would consider making other changes, if necessary.  Most people have figured out that the Meta is reasonably (not perfectly) balance right now, so I suspect a Balance patch is totally unnecessary.  The Adventure will come out later this month, and that alone will shake up the Meta.  It's possible to see a balance patch in Feb/Mar, but even that is not a guarantee.

OP, if you took a look at HSR, you would notice that Galakrond Warrior is the most popular deck in the game across all Ranks.  And while Face Hunter is the second most popular, it's play rate (as well as it win rate) shrinks as you get to higher and higher ranks.

Thanks for the clarification, I thought it was an affirmation of a Dean Ayala tweet.
It is logical that there are no changes for the new adventure with new cards.

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I mean he definitely is too strong but i feel like zilliax is even more op. according to hsreplay.net Leeroy is in 36.5% of the decks meanwhile zilliax is in 51%of the decks which means that on average there is a zilliax in every game.

 Zilliax is a strong card in mech decks, but Zilliax isn't a face card like Leeroy is. He's board removal and healing. He's mediocre at both, but the best sustain for some classes. Without Zilliax, face would be WAAAY more dominant than it already is.

I've been against the charge mechanic in general since day 1 because of how detrimental it has always been. It took them years to finally stop fucking printing it and it made the game way better. But now we're left with Kor'kron Commander, Leeroy Jenkins and Unleash the Hounds as the final bastions of Charge.

Class cards having insanely powerful mechanics (cost deduction, charge, divine shield) is fine. Leeroy's a colossal pain as a neutral card.

 More often than not, Zilliax is indeed a charge minion due to magnetize.  It's effectively charge, heal, and taunt.  No one thinks it needs to go.

What makes the removal of the few remaining charge cards improve the game?

Why does Leeroy, a neutral card that all classes have access to, need to go?

One of the worst cards of the expansion, and one of the more frustrating to play with.

You rarely get something, despite all the "pro tips" thrown around. Opponent's hand size also rarely matters as two of the cards will still be in their deck no matter what. Even some of the cards who may be easy to guess will be in hand for a long time for the right opporunity, like Shudderwock, Leeroy or Barista do jackshit for Priest. What you're gonna do with the Shudderwock you stole? Proc another Envoy?

The most absurd is people here saying it's better than Glimmeroot without obviously playing with the card, since they didn't even know that 2 of the choices won't be in hand and are from the deck, not completely random stuff like Glimmeroot.

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It is played too much for a classic card. In 36.3% of decks according to hsreplay.  The next most played classic neutral is Acolyte of Pain at 13.6% which is a huge difference.

I am getting sick of it myself.  Whenever I play against an aggro  or specific combo deck...it's always the same ,,Hope they don't have Leeroy. It's a legendary, only a one off , on average they shouldn't have it by now... ,, and then it goes ,,LEEEEROOOY JEEENKIIINS,, and I roll my eyes.

I really hope Blizz HoF's it this year. I don't think aggro needs a super good neutral classic aggro card.  There is no other classic card that comes close to Leeroy in terms of play rate so why should aggro decks have it any different than the other deck types? I think aggro players are just spoiled having it for so long. If aggro finishers are really that necessary for a healthy meta game...Blizz just needs to print some every now and then ( preferably class specific ones ) . At least it will be a bit different then.

 A counterargument ( wich always gets mentioned by JAlexander , the Rogue streamer) would be If aggressive decks don’t have a good neutral card , there would be nothing to go back to as a safety pick , if a class gets totally shafted an expansion ( JAlexanders words) . 

Besides the point that not e every class can play Leeroy effective , he is somewhat right. For him it’s hard to imagine that Blizzard can make equally balanced aggro decks in a new expansion. And in a world without Leeroy etc. Only the class that got the best aggressive tools would see play.... A lot of grey theory 

In my opinion it would be enough to make combo cards not so ridiculous by Themselves. Without these Leeroy is a 5 mana Fireball.

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I think the 1 mana difference with Rocketeer (and 1 damage to a lesser extent) makes a significant impact; otherwise, you would see it played a lot more like a safer and more versatile option to Leeroy.
(Just my opinion)

 "Safe"
IMO, People would still hate it because people don't like burst because they don't like to lose. I think we'd have the same argument in X number of months.

Personally, I am completely okay with Leeroy. Aggro needs finishers too. Aggro needs to exist for a healthy metagame. And so does combo.

Besides, most burst combos take 8 to 10 mana. And you haven't assembled the pieces until late in the game. If you have lost to them, it's your fault for not either (a) winning already or (b) being prepared for it.

Not all classes have armor, and I don't think that they should. There's counterplay to these types of strategies.

With the few exceptions of times where we've had S-tier decks, not all decks are supposed to beat all types of strategies.

EDIT: There's that one tavern brawl that is just basic and classic. People LOVE it. I like it. But it's mostly swinging back and forth with wet noodles until one person bricks or draws one of the few swingy cards from those sets. This would get really old after a month. People would hate it. They would yell for the very few swingy cards to be nerfed. Then it's just a worthless wet noodle fight.

It's an understated minion with a slightly higher than 33 % chance (if you're paying attention) to get a copy of a card in your opponents hand. The information impact is negligible - at most it's going to tell you what one of the cards in your opponents hand is, and two others that haven't been drawn yet.

Envoy of Lazul doesn't to nothing. But what is does isn't particularly useful, and on a bad body to boot. I wouldn't play this in any deck - not even a wild, meme-y card stealing priest deck, which is the only archetype I could see it belonging in.

Just as a sidenote, a couple of days ago there was this reddit thread about how Blizzard changed their philosophy from people want : Fun and interactive, stuff.

To, people wanna do: Crazy ( aka broken) stuff. 

..And if that’s actually Blizzards opinion, they  HAVE to make cards that combo with gamefinishers ( Malygos Leeroy etc.) . An example is the Warloc Legendary that draws 4 cards and generates 2 extra slots . It’s neat but nothing where people get hyped about. Only stuff that has the potential to close games is relevant. 

There was a time when people were absolutely SCREAMING for Malygos to be HOF'd because of the burst potential that he allowed.

That wave of bullshit eventually subsided, but it will return some day when another combo comes in to being that utilizes him and the meta is ruled by it.

This whole Leeroy thing right now is no different.

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Obviously all cards with charge should be HOFed long time ago, when they decided not to make new ones. It's absurd to decide charge is too strong to make new cards, but good enough to leave old ones in game.

 Why? 

Because it deals 20+ dmg out of nowhere? Don’t you think Blizzard knows this and somewhat wants this? ( I’m sure you didn’t forget the complaints when Control Warrior was top dog , and many ppl whined about 30+ minute games..) And don’t you think IF Leeroy/chargers gets HoFed, they would simply just print equal replacement cards? Or do you honestly believe they somehow rework Rogue?

 Lets face it , they always want an aggressive playstyle to be somewhat competitive. If it’s executed by Leeroy any other charger, spells , whatever it doesn’t matter. There will always be that "cancer"card.

#WhineThread

Even if Leeroy is "constantly" killing me, there is no need for him to be HoFed.

Period.