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Quote from Danjo >>

Leave Leeroy alone.

 why? so that people like you can keep playing their brainless game?

How is the presence of a finisher "brainless".  Or are you one of those "aggro is brainless" tards?  Name me one good player who doesn't play Aggro at some point or another?

Mental health will drive you mad.

I've never played it.  None of my opponents have played it.  Card is bad.

Quote from Jonesy978 >>

I agree. The most popular Warrior build right now can use this card after Galakrond for a combo that does at least 28 damage in face damage in a single turn (I think.)   I hate losing to nonsense like that. You can literally out play your opponent the entire game and still lose because you can't play around some insane combo.

Quote from RomanKnight >>

I play combo priest with a consistent 30-36 damage combo with leeroy now. This card is probably played in 60% of all decks now. I agree that this is way too much. Something has to be done with it 

Of course Leeroy could see the HOF in April.  But these arguments are just outright wrong.

If you look at the Gala Warrior lists that have been employed by GM's Jarla and Glory recently, you will notice that the Leeroy package has been cut.  The cards are not good individually.  And Gala Warrior doesn't typically need a 28 point burst to win.

Leeroy Priest is hot garbage.

I guess everyone's New Year's Resolution is to make a stupid thread about some card they lost to.  We got this one, the one on Open the Waygate in Wild, and the one on Sathovarr/Shirvalah.  Three utter waste of digital bits.

Mods, can't these idiotic threads be condensed.  Like to the Salt thread?

Quote from Keema >>

Hearthstone has been superseded by other, more interesting. more skill-intensive games. The devs have failed to meet community expectations, so it's just slowly declining.

I have fun with the new expansion for maybe 2 weeks. That is certainly not worth paying hundreds of dollars for. I basically just quit the game, until the next expansion/update.

Yes, Eternal is THE game that will destroy Hearthstone.  Or was it Gwent?

Oh, I just remembered.  The game has been dying since Beta according to the people who can't play to save their lives.

Quote from SlydE >>

Secret mage is much worse now than a month ago.

Pirate Warrior can easily be teched against.

Several of the aggro decks you do mention are not that great and many slower decks are more than viable thanks to cards like Reno.

That is putting it mildly.

More precisely, Face Hunter and Zoo Lock are pathetically bad in Wild.  Ranks 2-4?  K.  Confirms my suspicions about the quality of Wild Players.  Also Pathetic.

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I disagree. Aggro didn't kill all dragons, quite a few are seeing some play. Now if you mean like pure all out Dragon Decks, then no that's not happening and it never was going to happen. Even if aggro wasn't hot, decks built all around dragons would get beat up by control decks, flood decks, combo decks and lot of other stuff. You can't just expect to win by curving minions right now (and thank goodness for that), you have to tech and counter with spells and have a deck with a strategy. I like the fact that you pick and choose a few dragons for their specialized use here and there. If the meta was such that you could stuff your deck with 15 dragons, then it would be like "Oh I'm just going to play the best dragon I have on this turn, and repeat on the next turn and next turn and THEN I'll summon and even BIGGER dragon!" you think you want that but you don't. Curvestone is lame, it was a problem we had in TGT with Tree Paladin and then again in ONiK with Shamanstone and it was awful.

 Remember Dragon Priest? Dragon Priest would run Duskbreaker, Drakonid Operative, Twilight Whelp and a ton of Dragon synergy (Blackwing Corruptor, Netherspite Historian). A Dragon deck is able to succeed. I don't just want to slam an Ysera followed by a Deathwing. I want those insane tempo/synergy builds like Dragon Priest. I was hoping there would be at least one or two decks like this.

You want to play Curvestone?  Play your (over-stated) 1-drop on turn 1, followed by your 2-drop on turn 2, 3-drop on 3, etc.

Boring!

That deck had very few dynamic decisions.  It didn't really matter what you were playing against, or what they had on board.  You just followed the curve.

And, in case you forgot, that deck was destroyed by both Aggro Shaman and Pirate Warrior.  Midrange decks lose to Aggro.  Some things never change.

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Quote from emkarab >>

it's not whining. It's just stating a fact - aggro and Deathrattle Rogue create meta unplayable for dragons. One can be sad or happy about it.

Try again.

Here are the some of the reasons why we don't see that many dragon decks.

• deck expense
• skill requirement
• Galakrond, the Nightmare/Tempest/Wretched/Unbreakable

But the most important reason of all:

• the Dragons and their synergy cards are just not that good.

Lets start with one of the first cards revealed, Breath of Dreams.  67.9% of the "distinguished" Hearthpwn community rated the cards as "meta-defining".  LULZ.  Over 2/3 of the community were dead wrong.  The card is Wild Growth together with draw a card, but conditionally.  And the condition is huge.  Druid has very limited access to Dragons and a spotty history with that tribe.  But aside from that, the biggest payoff from WG on curve was a strong play on turn four.  But there is no more Oaken Summons or Branching Paths.  Druid just doesn't have a particularly strong play on four even if they pull off BoD on turn two.

Many of the other cards follow a similar trend.  Frizz Kindleroost (meta defining according to 69.6% of those participating in the poll, more LULZ), is underperforming and players are considering dropping the card from their decks.  Ysera 2 is too slow (so sad about this).  Nozdormu 2 is even less playable than Nozdormu 1.  Maygos 2 is OK, but not broken enough to make a real impact.  Likewise for many of the other Dragon and dragon-synergy cards.

Meanwhile, Devoted Maniac, (labeled as Bad by 47.6%, and Dust by 18.9%) is the most played card in Standard.  Its an auto include in every Galakrond deck, and every Galakrond deck save Priest is broken.

In Constructed play, "good" cards just don't cut it.  The cards (and the decks) have to do extremely broken things to be competitive. Dragons are good, but not good enough.

Your "facts" are in error, just like the ridiculously wrong evaluations of many of  the cards from this x-pac.

 ...huh?  I mean some of your points are completely salient but in no way refute the person you quoted.  Some I disagree with though.  In truth you are both right in some ways. 

Firstly, what do you mean druid has limited access to dragons?  This is simply not true and the condition is hardly huge.  It's stupid easy to meat.  Also twighlight drake is a power turn 4 play after playing a ramp card that ALSO drew you a card.  Druid's issue is, it's just too damn slow, even with the ramp.  Taking turn two to ramp against a pirate warrior is just very difficult proposition when they can essentially put up to 4 minions on their turn two while literally generating more value in their hand.  Anyhow that is just an example.  My point is that the card is good, druid dragons are good, BUT they aren't fast enough in this meta.  I think the quoted person to be right in this case.

I think your assessment of Frizz, Nozdormu and Ysera are spot on.  Too slow.  Which is why I am confused about why you are arguing with the quoted person.  If something is two slow, what sort of decks punish the shit out of that?  Tempo and Aggro, the two decks types he listed. (as DR rogue is a tempo deck). 

As far as devoted maniac goes, the card was rated bad when people were still fuzzy on how Invoke would work.  It's why I rated it badly.  Also it's in every Galakrond deck because no one gets more than 8 invoke cards.  It essentially HAS to be in there.  If I had the option I would play different invoke cards I would. That being said now that I understand how the card works I'd rate it as playable.  Cause it is.

I guess I just don't know why you are arguing with him.  Good aggro decks make it hard to play  slower type decks.  Aggro beats midrange.  Dragon Druid is midrange.  When the better decks are aggro and Tempo then yeah, midrange is gonna suffer badly.  You can take what would otherwise be strong cards and they become a LOT worse.

 You missed the point.

Quote from Jonesy978 >>

Dragon decks are missing just a few cards to make them truly viable. The problem right now is that every Galakron deck (except Priest) has a very powerful late game. The only way to counter that is with a very strong early game... hence, the rise of aggro decks.

Dragon decks are good mid-range decks but lack both a very strong start and a powerful late game. I really wanted Dragon Paladin to work but it simply doesn't have enough good early game Dragons (and no 1-drops) and no late game. Indeed, the Dragon legendary cards for Paladin are complete trash.

So how can that deck compete with Galakrond on turn 7 or 8? It can't.

I have been trying Highlander Dragon decks recently and they're more competitive, because Dragonqueen Alexstrasa alone is very powerful. But even then, it's at best Tier 2.

 This.

Dragon decks are, of course, vulnerable to Aggro.  But they aren't very good against the Galakrond decks.

The most popular decks in the game include Galakrond Warrior, Galakrond Rogue, Galakrond Shaman, and Galakrond Warlock.  Some of these have Highlander and non-Highlander sub-variants.  Collectively, they make up about 36% of the Meta across all ranks.  Most are all Tier 1/2 decks; none are "aggro".

The Dragon decks are simply inferior.  Not by a lot.  But in between getting beat up by Aggro AND having less than stellar matchups vs the Galakrond decks, they are hard to climb with.  And considering how expensive they are, it's no surprise that aren't particularly popular.

Santa Claus too busy playing BattleGrounds to make his usual delivery.

Next year kids.

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Greed is not good!

Wrong!!! And this is my counter argument:

:P

Beat me to it.  Now I'm really salty. 8-)

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Suddenly found this thread. I found it interesting and mostly agree with it. But I have some concerns. Maybe the stuff author wrote is only about American people?

Was there some reason you necro'ed this nonsense?

Quote from emkarab >>

it's not whining. It's just stating a fact - aggro and Deathrattle Rogue create meta unplayable for dragons. One can be sad or happy about it.

Try again.

Here are the some of the reasons why we don't see that many dragon decks.

• deck expense
• skill requirement
• Galakrond, the Nightmare/Tempest/Wretched/Unbreakable

But the most important reason of all:

• the Dragons and their synergy cards are just not that good.

Lets start with one of the first cards revealed, Breath of Dreams.  67.9% of the "distinguished" Hearthpwn community rated the cards as "meta-defining".  LULZ.  Over 2/3 of the community were dead wrong.  The card is Wild Growth together with draw a card, but conditionally.  And the condition is huge.  Druid has very limited access to Dragons and a spotty history with that tribe.  But aside from that, the biggest payoff from WG on curve was a strong play on turn four.  But there is no more Oaken Summons or Branching Paths.  Druid just doesn't have a particularly strong play on four even if they pull off BoD on turn two.

Many of the other cards follow a similar trend.  Frizz Kindleroost (meta defining according to 69.6% of those participating in the poll, more LULZ), is underperforming and players are considering dropping the card from their decks.  Ysera 2 is too slow (so sad about this).  Nozdormu 2 is even less playable than Nozdormu 1.  Maygos 2 is OK, but not broken enough to make a real impact.  Likewise for many of the other Dragon and dragon-synergy cards.

Meanwhile, Devoted Maniac, (labeled as Bad by 47.6%, and Dust by 18.9%) is the most played card in Standard.  Its an auto include in every Galakrond deck, and every Galakrond deck save Priest is broken.

In Constructed play, "good" cards just don't cut it.  The cards (and the decks) have to do extremely broken things to be competitive. Dragons are good, but not good enough.

Your "facts" are in error, just like the ridiculously wrong evaluations of many of  the cards from this x-pac.

Quote from Ace1a >>

Just stick to BG till adventure and 2nd balance patch arrives. The first balance patch didn't do much except shave about 3% off shaman's oppressive winrate. Meta didn't really change except more aggro and less shamans, but they are still OP. Faceless Corruptor is still everywhere as a 4/4 too.

Let's see.  Your last piece of advice was that Galakrond, the Tempest was DOA.  With that track record, ...

Quote from pilo8 >>

meta is bad not only because aggros but because in general it's a rng & op cards clownfiesta

If you don't like RNG, don't play card games.  Try chess - no RNG there.  On second thought, maybe you should stick to tic tac toe.