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    posted a message on What does Blizzard hide?
    Quote from Espartajo >>
    Quote from TanookiJack >>
    Quote from Espartajo >>
     i'm not stupid man i know how business works i'm not making the post so that blizzard feels bad and reveals shit, i'm just making it to let some people that aren't fanboys know how they are getting fucked up, and maybe people will start voicing out this which is pretty relevant in a competitive game, they won't, but people should know and care about this shit, it's the same thing for example with the lobby system on american politic, it's bad and it doesn't serve the interest of the general population, yet people don't care and don't talk about it. Whatever man who cares, if you care then you are salty aren't you? and no1 wants to be called salty 
     The way you word things does not help. You imagine yourself as an altruist trying to save people from corporate greed, but you call everyone who sees differently a fanboy and strawman people who disagree with you in your opening post before anyone could even begin to comment by calling them "brainless".
    Holding out the olive branch with one hand doesn't mean much if you're holding a cudgel with the other. Have real discussion, welcome people who don't see things like you, and maybe you'll get some real respect.
    why is it so hard to understand that they trained you to think that "respect" means something so that you don't talk too real shit, why is it so hard to understand that i dont' care about what u think, and that everything is not a matter of opinions, I'm not talking opinions here, i'm talking real shit so if som1 sees things different from reality they are simply wrong, why would i care about a wrong vision? you are really politically correct but you are not understanding that i don't care for that, I'm not famous, I'm not a streamer i couldn't care less about keeping a friendly hipocritical image, i don't care for the fake credibility that gives me either, and if i want too i can manipulate people, don't think i'm that stupid, I can act nice too and say what ppl want to hear, it's not hard, but I choose to be real instead. You are simply wrong sorry to tell you, and it's not a matter of opinion, I agree that being fake is important in life, but I don't see the need to act like that here and I don't want to either and I don't believe in utopia, I think the community is really stupid, Blizzard even called the community stupid, I don't care for the feeling of belonging ppl get when talking about the "community", also I think as a rule of thumb taken from observation that majorities are generally wrong. Nothing will change either way, most ppl here are americans and they elected trump, and you are trying to say that they are worth sth lol sure man sure 
     
     Then why did you even come here? The point of a forum is discussion. If you made up your mind before anybody got a chance to decipher your text walls, why write them in the first place? As much as you talk about speaking of "real shit", this is just a vanity show. You want to be the guy who can see through the lies, the person who isn't fooled, but I mean let's have a spec of "real shit" here: you're having a pissing match on a forum about a video game. If your intellectual highground were a geographical landmark, you'd need to sandbag your borders to keep above sea-level during high-tide. It takes a lot of free time to mess around on a forum for a game you like, and it takes a lot more to do the same on a game you don't.
    If nobody had any different insight that could possible change your opinion or improve your outlook on the situation and you don't care about what anyone else thinks, why not just sit in your closet and hug yourself in congratulations about how right you are and how well you've mastered being alive? Why did you come here?
    EDIT: I'd like to point out as well that while you claim to look at Trump and his supporters with disdain, Trump LOVES to make wild accusations and then call everything proving them wrong as "fake news" or "alternative facts". Have you read his twitter? You sound like his foreign policy liason or something.
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    posted a message on What does Blizzard hide?
    Quote from Espartajo >>
     i'm not stupid man i know how business works i'm not making the post so that blizzard feels bad and reveals shit, i'm just making it to let some people that aren't fanboys know how they are getting fucked up, and maybe people will start voicing out this which is pretty relevant in a competitive game, they won't, but people should know and care about this shit, it's the same thing for example with the lobby system on american politic, it's bad and it doesn't serve the interest of the general population, yet people don't care and don't talk about it. Whatever man who cares, if you care then you are salty aren't you? and no1 wants to be called salty 
     The way you word things does not help. You imagine yourself as an altruist trying to save people from corporate greed, but you call everyone who sees differently a fanboy and strawman people who disagree with you in your opening post before anyone could even begin to comment by calling them "brainless".
    Holding out the olive branch with one hand doesn't mean much if you're holding a cudgel with the other. Have real discussion, welcome people who don't see things like you, and maybe you'll get some real respect.
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    posted a message on What does Blizzard hide?
    Quote from Espartajo >>
    Quote from TanookiJack >>

    @OP They're "hiding" it because they have nothing to gain from revealing the information. Even if the formula is about as good as we think it is or better, it will hurt sales as there will be a stronger understanding of how to "game" the system with optimal buying patterns. Remember, too, that not everyone who plays/pays is aware of the mechanics the community understands about the packs and if they knew it may change what and how they spend. It also means that in the future they would have to publicize how the drop system changes if they want to change it, and people will invariably demand to be compensated for purchasing packs a day/week/month before the change and creates lots of customer service work for the company.

    Regardless of how guilty or innocent Blizzard's drop system is, this is only destined to result in headache. Naturally, a company will avoid this.

     that kinda makes sense, though i think u are missing a lot of stuff there, plus they are willing to change their entire transaction model in order to use a legal hole, that's a headache they are willing to go through instead of revealing the real info, which casuals won't know anyway because you won't reveal it in ingame client so that part doesn't really make sense as an excuse. Also the matchmaking is fixed too. Plus there is stuff to gain from revealing the info, you gain credibility which i think they don't need since they already have fanboys, and they gain a more loyal fanbase which they don't care since they have fanboys. It's the same phenomenom as when a company creates a game that gains a huge audience because hardcore players enjoy it, like league of legends, like hs, then the company proceeds to "betray" that hardcore audience sacrificing the game and the hardcore audience that brought them to fame and a huge player base, then they start developing the game in a way that makes it shittier as a game but more addictive to grotesque audiences like causals, creating a slot machine audience for their game 
     This response has too many fingers in too many pies. If you want to talk about Blizzard's relative level of trustworthiness to other companies, go for it. However, in regards to using the "legal hole", it was not a major restructuring. Blizzard has plenty of systems to give players items already and didn't need to do much more than tie a script to the end of the completed app transaction. Truly a small price to pay considering how much it can save them.
    1. It immediately ducks the threat that new legislation could catch them with their pants down and they wind up in legal trouble before their programmers can code in a new monetization system and the legal and marketing teams now have plenty of time to discuss the future of the marketplace.
    2. The sooner they implemented an updated system, the longer they operate in a marketplace somewhere in the world where smaller companies will close their marketplace for a while to catch up. This is small, but could wind up netting sales.
    3. The drop formula is still secret. Competitors don't know how it works, buyers aren't crunching numbers or clogging customer satisfaction hotlines over the newly released data, and their revenue stream is largely uninterrupted.
    Again, while this is clearly not done in the best interest of the buyer, businesses never do things in the best interest of the buyer. That's not how making money works. You need to sell things. This move is a good idea from the perspective of a company and has the benefit of not being excessively greedy.
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    posted a message on What does Blizzard hide?

    @OP They're "hiding" it because they have nothing to gain from revealing the information. Even if the formula is about as good as we think it is or better, it will hurt sales as there will be a stronger understanding of how to "game" the system with optimal buying patterns. Remember, too, that not everyone who plays/pays is aware of the mechanics the community understands about the packs and if they knew it may change what and how they spend. It also means that in the future they would have to publicize how the drop system changes if they want to change it, and people will invariably demand to be compensated for purchasing packs a day/week/month before the change and creates lots of customer service work for the company.

    Regardless of how guilty or innocent Blizzard's drop system is, this is only destined to result in headache. Naturally, a company will avoid this.

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    posted a message on 2018 HOF predictions
    Quote from DoubleSummon >>

    So it's 2018 and in one month or so we get the announcement for the next year standard format, and with it the next HOF list.

    So I would like to discuss which cards will get rotated there.

    We know team 5 plans on rotating Ice Block that's for sure. and Gadgetzan Auctioneer will also probably rotate as blizzard stated a lot of times they were looking at him as a candidate, so I won't list them in my list if you wanna elaborate and think they won't rotate out it's fine.

    Last time they rotated 6 cards it might be less or more this time who knows.. list cards you think will rotate.

    they either are too much of an auto include or blocking design space they also are from the classic set, and NOT the basic set.

    My list:

    1. Nourish - Druid has too much card draw and ramp and this card just lets them do both in the same card, depending on situation and it does a lot of both.

    2. Savannah Highmane - I Think they would rotate him to make room for other strong beasts for hunter, We will hate them for that probably.

    3. Divine Favor - might be too strong in aggro paladin, every time aggro paladin is a thing this card turns very problematic there.

    4. Preparation - HUGE design space for rogue spells here, they need to consider rogue can cheat them with prep..

    5. Shadowstep- It's also a candidate I think Blizzard is think about rotating out, cause it also was problematic a number of times.

    6. Frothing Berserker - although warrior sucks atm this card was always a problem card in every tempo/aggressive warrior.

    7. Leeroy Jenkins - Blizzard doesn't like charge minions that aren't pirates with 1 attack, that are played from the deck.

     8. Flame Imp or Doomguard - flagship card in zoo, they might want to kill the deck (?)

    9. Doomsayer - Used a lot in control a really strong card will probably see a lot of play against once the rotation kicks off or corridor creeper get the nerf bat.

    10. Edwin VanCleef/Tirion Fordring - are almost in every deck of their class MIGHT get rotated.

    BTW sorry it seems I am against Rogue, I actually like the class a lot, but it's a prediction which cards might get rotated out not which ones I want to be rotated out.

     In the least offensive way I can think to say this, this list is terrible. They aren't going to HOF classic legendaries from some classes and not others. That's a huge "fuck you" to new players who open them and greatly shifts the balance of power in deck construction, as some classes will need more dust during rotations than others. They also aren't going to rotate gadgetzan auctioneer. They already recognized that it isn't the "instant include/win more" card people think it is at 6 mana and requires skill to use (unless you make jade idol 2.0, which blizzard shouldn't do whether G.A. is in standard or not).
    The rest of these picks are devastating blows to deck construction for new players. Most archetypes in the game from these classes need these cards to exist competitively. Rogue already has 0 board clears, how shitty would it be to also not have high tempo removal? Shadowstep, like any buff spell, trades a slot in the deck for the effect. There's nothing wrong with it as long as Blizzard doesn't print Prince 2's (which they shouldn't do regardless).
    Honestly, I wouldn't HoF anything at this point. I don't want the classic set to be a pile of garbage that new players get sucked into buying out of insecurity that they need cards that will survive rotations. Good players can counter almost anything you see in classic if it gets used enough to warrant even a cursory discussion in HoF, and if it's not being used much in the meta, what's the point of changing it? If Blizz is willing to buff some of the absolutely worthless cards in classic in exchange, HoF would be more well received, IMO. As it is, I don't want them messing things up more.
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    posted a message on Teching Mill Rogue

    I just trigger the secrets as fast as possible and go for maximum tempo. Most people aren't very creative with secret choices so you can just counter it by outplaying.

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    posted a message on Obsidian Statue nerf?

    If you pay 9 mana for a card, it better be strong. OP is a potato.

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    posted a message on Trying to make the Paladin Spellstone work is tough! | Pearl Paladin

    How does mistress not work?

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    posted a message on Trying to make the Paladin Spellstone work is tough! | Pearl Paladin

    This is what I would suggest to work towards.

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    It contains pearl-synergy cards that pull with call to arms or oakheart ( mistresses + you can get wickerflame with +1 attack from the dire wold alpha). Additionally, the dirty rats with spellbreaker and skulking geist give you tech options against many important decks in the meta.

    Swapped loot hoarder for a lay on hands since blackguard can turn that card draw into an 8 damage attack to a minion which is good value. I think equality/consecrate should go, but I haven't tested pally in ages so don't quote me on that.

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    posted a message on Trying to make the Paladin Spellstone work is tough! | Pearl Paladin

    Light's justice doesn't seem good, most people are playing 1 and 2 drops with more than 1 hp.

    Lack of silence makes this a bit weak in the current meta.

    Call to arms is able to pull a some interesting cards, but they pose very little actual threat to the board.

    Trogg gloomeater would be hideous if drawn and is only ok if played by oakheart (having 5 HP won't do much against late game minions, anything that can clear oakheart can clear gloomeater).

    If you're not playing any 1-cost spells, I see no reason not to play skulking geist in the current meta.

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    posted a message on Is the Mammoth Bundles Worth it?

    Very worth for me, 2 golden legendaries!

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    posted a message on So priest is back to where it was... everyone is happy now?

    Dragon priest is plenty strong until Drakonid OP cycles, priest is in a good place. Honestly I think the corrupted healbot OTK combo is hilarious and I wish it was possible in standard for longer.

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    posted a message on Kingsbane issue
    Quote from Nighthrash >>
    Quote from TanookiJack >>

    So your "proposal" is that just kingsbane be impossible to top deck?

    What about OP 1-drops? Can we make those impossible to get on turn 1?

    Can we make Reno Jackson impossible to draw on turn 6?

    Should it be impossible to topdeck lethal?

    There's no basis for your proposal, it's a strict nerf that just says "if you play this card, your luck must be worse than every other deck". This is a salt-solution. It doesn't make the game better, it doesn't balance out an unbalanced card/mechanic, and it doesn't even make sense logically. There's SO MANY decks right now that can highroll into an instant win scenario right now, why pick one win condition for one deck and single it out? Don't talk completely out of your ass and then get defensive about it like you're the victim.

    ...
    This has nothing to do with redesign or whatever. This as nothing to do with other cards or with  being a victim. And  no its not unlogic.
    Yes it does, my examples highlight how lucky draws swing the game constantly in hearthstone, and that nerfing one card for something that happens in every deck, every day, to everyone is nonsensical.
     
    If you cant handle a simple discussion dont post my friend. Your comment add nothing to the conversation. Soapboxing isn't a conversation. You aren't discussing anything either. Anyone who tells you you're just unlucky you dismiss and continue to argue that being unlucky means a card should be nerfed.
    I know i was unlucky during those match.Finally! But i found it weird that it happen in the first place.SO? If you cant counter a card because the next turn he will draw it again its unfair its unfair because its a legendary wich means its as 1 copy only in the deck. It doesnt mean the card us unbalance its just these kind of odds should not happen. You can mill it, tech in more weapon removal, or just make a stronger deck... I mean whether he drew it twice or not he can still doomerang it, use cavern shinyfinder, or just draw a lot to get it again anyway. That's how decks work. If you can deal with it attack once per turn you need better decks.
     
    If you have something to say other than blasting me. You know like something constructive.  I invite you to move on. Sure, I never expected you to agree, but explaining why your argument is lame is key to making sure people who read this don't post even more threads about it later.
     
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    posted a message on Kingsbane issue

    So your "proposal" is that just kingsbane be impossible to top deck?

    What about OP 1-drops? Can we make those impossible to get on turn 1?

    Can we make Reno Jackson impossible to draw on turn 6?

    Should it be impossible to topdeck lethal?

    There's no basis for your proposal, it's a strict nerf that just says "if you play this card, your luck must be worse than every other deck". This is a salt-solution. It doesn't make the game better, it doesn't balance out an unbalanced card/mechanic, and it doesn't even make sense logically. There's SO MANY decks right now that can highroll into an instant win scenario right now, why pick one win condition for one deck and single it out? Don't talk completely out of your ass and then get defensive about it like you're the victim.

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    posted a message on Kingsbane issue
    Quote from Nighthrash >>

    Im not salty. Im just making a statement. This should not happen especially while being in the beggining of a game. I can understand when near the end of a game while 6 or 7 card remains in the deck but at the beginning of a game this is simply insulting. Because this deck already has way to get it back.

    The fact that this is a possibility is simply wrong. I know shuffle mean it can be anywhere..but seriously i have played cards game for almost 20 years and never this kind of shuffle happen except if you cheat it. So because this is a coded game it happen is simply wrong.

    Im not salty at all im just expressing my concern about something that i find unpleasent in the game. I never call it broken or whatever. I just think its weird that it happen so often now.

    Im here to discuss not cry.

     You're not here to discuss if you dismiss everyone who disagrees with you, you're here to find someone you can say "I'm right about this, pat my back while I fume over being screwed in a card game" to. If you wanted to discuss it you would propose a change that solved your "issue" AND is a fair compromise to those who use the card.
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