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Yeah, that's the way you're intended to feel. They want to pressure you into buying packs.

And if you value your time and want to play a wide range of decks... buying is actually more cost effective than subsisting as F2P.

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Ah the obligatory “hearthstone is greedy,” thread.  Alright let’s lay this out here again.

- Generally you go into business to make money.  That is the overall goal of this game, to make money so it can keep running and making money.  If it no longer makes money, we don’t get to play anymore.

-this game is super easy to do F2P.  You can easily get 7000+ gold between expansions by doing nothing but your daily quests.  By winning 9 games a day, just 9, you get an additional 3600 gold in that same timeframe.  If you win 30 games a day which is the max reward I believe,  that’s actually 12000 more gold.  So with minimal effort you can get 10,600 gold every expansion and 19,000 with maximum effort.  In other words you can get 106 to 190 packs FOR FREE just by playing the game.  If you hit rank 5 every month you net enough dust to make a free legendary every expansion as well.  This is of course not counting all the free stuff they give away.  That’s a decent enough amount to maintain a solid collection.

-To top this off there are 2 legendaries that give you a combined 20+ decks to play that are decently strong enough to get you wins without you even needing to invest in a deck.

Hearthstone devs have gone to great lengths these last couple years to make this game easier to play for free and people still whine about it.  They removed all quests that gave less than 50 gold and recently made all quests easier to complete.  They made it so duplicate legendaries don’t happen.  They guarantee a legendary in the first 10 packs of every expansion.  They give away at least 1 legendary every expansions, usually more.  I don’t know what more you people want.

 The thread was not a "hearthstone is greedy" thread. He made several points, including a good amount of praise, but you see one attack and you get defensive. This is not the way to have a discussion. You could have said that you don't agree and this is why, but instead you speak down on him. 

It is not a controversial thought to say HS is expensive. In any case, HS is not cheap. It either takes money, or time, in order to keep up. You're 100% right that it's possible to be F2P. It just requires a good amount of time. A newcomer cannot catch up without, I daresay, either a huge time investment or spending perhaps 50 bucks for each expansion in the rotation. 

Btw, your example of 9 games a day is not trivial. Keeping up 9 games a day everyday is something most casual players just can't maintain. Assuming a game is 6 minutes (it can be shorter, and it could be MUCH longer) you're already looking at 54 minutes. You're asking for someone to invest almost, and most likely, more than an hour EVERY DAY to keep up. Just doing daily quests for 7000 gold per expansion is 70 packs. I would consider that bare minimum to keep up. Bare minimum is DAILY commitment to play a game. Yes, maybe just one game a day, and yes, most people on this forum easily hit that, but just as a general rule, I like games where I can pick up and put down.

I don't think Blizzard is being greedy per se. They are a business. Their system works to maximize profit through a balance of retaining as many players as possible, and making the players pay as much as possible. After all, the money they get off players is the number of players multiplied by the average money they spend. By their estimation, that balance happens to land us where we are, where some players leave due to inability to keep up, but the existing players make up for those lost numbers by paying what they do (on average).

I'll end on the suggestion to try refraining from ad hominem arguments.

 This thread is a thinly veiled “hearthstone is greedy” thread with some fluff to hide the ultimate point.  9 games is fairly trivial, especially if you’re playing a deck on a budget.  If you can’t fit time enough to play a few minutes to an hour a day you probably don’t care enough about the game to care how much it costs.  You’re definitely not at a rank where wins are particularly hard to come by that’s for sure.  And you don’t even have to play every day to get the 7000+ gold.  Just log in to get the quest and log out.  Do them at your leisure.

 Either you don't value your time enough, or you haven't actually thought through the implications your math. Most good decks tend to have win rates that hover around 50%. Even if you are some kind of wunderkind that wins 75 percent of the time with a budget deck, you still need to play more than 9 games to actually get 9 wins.  And each of those games takes about the same amount of time, whether you win or lose, usually between 6 and 10 minutes. You're spending a couple of hours each day just to get to the minimum amount of daily gold you mentioned. Getting to the full 30 wins is more akin to a full time job in terms of hours invested.

If you play this all out, and look at the value of what you receive in the end, playing F2P is a sucker's game that pays sub-minimum wage in real world value. You can think that's generous in comparison to other grindy bullshit mobile F2P games, and maybe it is, but it's not actually generous in comparison to anything that isn't a market explicitly designed to tap into a skinner box manipulation of people's dopamine production.

Zoo Warlock, Face Hunter, and Murloc Shaman... at least for tomorrow, when jerks are mining the experimental period for free wins.

I always like your reviews, and wait for them each expansion. Thanks for putting the work in.

It's too bad he doesn't pair well with Zola.

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Nope, people are just getting more smarter about including silence in their decks.

 Pretty sure the topic creator means in Battlegrounds, not constructed.

 Pretty sure this is a Hearthstone forum.

 Okay? I'm not sure what your point is.

Guy was asking if mechs got nerfed in Battlegrounds, the Hearthstone game mode, you responded with a comment about Silence, which doesn't exist in Battlegrounds. 

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Nope, people are just getting more smarter about including silence in their decks.

 Pretty sure the topic creator means in Battlegrounds, not constructed.

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can you buy packs with gold allso?

 Can't buy anything but the bundles with cash right now.

Shu'ma, Alex, Both warlock legendaries, Deathwing, Dragonrider Boi, Chenvaala, Murozond, Flik, and a Golden Y'sera.

I think the Amalgam changes are coming in the January patch, according to everything I've heard.

It's not so much that they aren't listening, or have "no idea", or are making random changes... it's that planning, testing, and implementing changes takes time. And honestly, compared to their lead time in responding to issues in the other modes, their Battlegrounds changes have come out with relatively little wait. 

In other words, chill out, sugar bean, you will get your Happy Meal toy eventually, just mature and learn some patience.

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wow fking amazing...already got nzod and ragny GOLDEN! so I know can safely dust this guys for tons of dust.. but my question is...does the copies are free and for ever??

 at last..anduin looks so bad ass....not gay as today..and wtf happened to jainas boobs...they are not inflated..lame

 

 Not cool reported!

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-nttArc

 whatever man, english is not my native language, you understood what I said right? so move with your life

Very happy with this bundle! Used the US Store trick to get it for £8, crazy bargain compared to the usual pack price.

Also got a legendary in my first pack! It was Dr. Morrigan though, sadtimes :'(

Kel'thuzad?

A fucking Aviana.

But I got Godfrey later, so its fine I guess.