He's a Johnny One-Note: all he talks about is "rigged" and tries to steer every conversation back to that. The fact that I have not seen a single person deny that there are bots makes no difference to him.
3nnui, that effort was so transparent, it was sad.
Getting back to OP, yeah, bots are around, but not nearly as bad as it was a few months back. I don't see them very often. I do wish Blizzard would create an easier way to report these things, because it's pretty tedious trying to do so now.
Boohoo, sucks to be a mage player. Just use the quest and make everyone concede because it's the most boring deck to play against.
Nice, nasty response. Very mature. Maybe, just maybe, OP doesn't like playing the questline and wants to, you know, try a less boring deck to play. I'll pretend to be shocked that your name is Aggro.
I'm disappointed to hear that the card has not yet been particularly good. Since I don't have it (but liked playing mage before it became "spells and nothing else"), I had high hopes that we could see a more interesting archetype this expac. That said, we're still very early in the expansion: perhaps someone will come up with a deck that isn't mindless to play and painful to play against.
Dude. It's been less than 24 hours, so we have absolutely no idea what the new meta will be like. Also, I don't know about you, but I've seen multiple new decks on ladder.
I hate to be an English stickler, but the sentence "It effects cards like Moonfang in a new way!" is incorrect. It should say "affect," not "effect." To "effect" is to cause or create: to "affect" is to influence.
"Partially live"? Is that anything like "mostly dead"? (Sorry, but any reference to The Princess Bride is a good one.)
haha. Nah, just means the honor gains are live, but most of the system that rewards you for those gains is not. Not quite ready to storm the castle, so to speak. :p
Hmmm 2 questions trying to understand how good this card is.
First the wording .Battlecry: Recast a spell from each spell school you have cast this game. So lets say I have cast a Flamestrike , a Deep Freeze , a Mass Polymorph and Mask of C'Thun and only those (considering a big spell mage list maybe). Will it recast exactly those spells?? And will it recast em with the same exact order as you or random?
Secondly the hero power. Lets say they are a bunch of 1/1s on board. And i use Reckless Apprentice who kills all of em. The hero power will procc the "honorable kill" on the first one and then the others not since it will not do exact dmg. Or it will kill all of em with exact dmg and then hero power gets +5dmg lets say ?
To answer your first question, I'm almost certain the order will be random. I can't think of a single similar effect in HS (for example, Shudderwock) that goes in order. That fact represents something of a danger: you cast Deep Freeze, only to have Mass Polymorph ruin it for you.
As for the second, I would expect (and certainly hope) that it would only count as a single HK. Massively powerful, otherwise.
Wild as a whole is broken, nerfing 2 strong cards won't do anything for how the format plays out, there are literally hundreds of OP cards and more importantly combinations of cards.
I say 2 cards because Blood of Ghuun and Celestial alignement are nowhere near broken. Big priest rant is typical noob behavior.
And your arguments are pretty weak for someone who pretends to be an experienced wild player. Arbor up being a 5 mana 8/6 in your mind is fascinating when most of its power comes from buffing existing minions and not droping two 4/3s on the board. Blood of ghuun being broken because "free 5/5" really ? How is 8 mana free anyway ?
And yeah, ice block is strong and frustrating, but an experienced wild player would know all the many ways you can play around ice block, with tech cards, counter decks and legit skill.
Well atleast tell me one deck that counters quest ignite mage if you are that experienced.
I would think Odd Defend the Dwarven District Hunter would do well. Outputs a lot of damage and often runs 2 Flares
Only one class? What about others?
So, you're upset about a deck that is, per Tempostorm, a Tier 3 deck? That totally makes sense.
BTW, Pirate Warrior absolutely crushes that deck. So, in other words, two of the most powerful decks in the current meta pretty much destroy the deck you're complaining about.
Yes, only the 5-20 most popular decks matter. /s
A deck that loses to every meta deck and wins against every off-meta deck is a problem. The majority of players are on lower ranks and their enjoyment of the game matters.
Are you even reading the posts? OP asked for a deck that counters ignite mage and was claiming that it is too strong, a claim that only makes sense if you're talking about it having a high win rate across multiple tiers of the meta. The simple fact is that ignite mage is a mediocre deck on the current ladder and is, by no stretch of the imagination, a dominant deck at any portion of the ladder.
Similarly, your comment that "the majority of players are on lower ranks and their enjoyment of the game matters" is true, but also irrelevant. Are you seriously demanding that Blizzard now "balance" meta and off-meta decks? That's utterly impossible (since many off-meta decks are designed to counter the meta). If those on lower ranks want to climb the ladder, they really have three choices: play a meta deck, play a good counter deck, or get much, much better at the game. But whining and asking for nerfs that are unnecessary is insane.
Wild as a whole is broken, nerfing 2 strong cards won't do anything for how the format plays out, there are literally hundreds of OP cards and more importantly combinations of cards.
I say 2 cards because Blood of Ghuun and Celestial alignement are nowhere near broken. Big priest rant is typical noob behavior.
And your arguments are pretty weak for someone who pretends to be an experienced wild player. Arbor up being a 5 mana 8/6 in your mind is fascinating when most of its power comes from buffing existing minions and not droping two 4/3s on the board. Blood of ghuun being broken because "free 5/5" really ? How is 8 mana free anyway ?
And yeah, ice block is strong and frustrating, but an experienced wild player would know all the many ways you can play around ice block, with tech cards, counter decks and legit skill.
Well atleast tell me one deck that counters quest ignite mage if you are that experienced.
I would think Odd Defend the Dwarven District Hunter would do well. Outputs a lot of damage and often runs 2 Flares
Only one class? What about others?
So, you're upset about a deck that is, per Tempostorm, a Tier 3 deck? That totally makes sense.
BTW, Pirate Warrior absolutely crushes that deck. So, in other words, two of the most powerful decks in the current meta pretty much destroy the deck you're complaining about.
As in when minions attack your hero they take damage?
I guess it's not completely true, there are some secrets like flameward and explosive trap, but I mean a constant (at least for one whole turn) threat?
It could be as simple as a card allowing weapon classes to unsehathe their weapon during the opponent's turn.
Or just a card that gives your hero a permanent attack buff. For example: Give your hero +1 Attack for the rest of the game.
Dear God, no. The last thing this game needs is an incentive to play the mindless attack buff DH archetype. (I'm not saying it's powerful, just that it's an incredibly tedious, boring deck to play against.)
Where did I say something about it being a DH card? I was thinking about the druid class, dude.
I never said you did. Because you didn't specify a class, I assumed (wrongly) that you envisioned this as a neutral card. But even as a druid card, I hate it. The druid questline is also a moronic one to play against, so a card like that would only encourage more people to play that deck.
As in when minions attack your hero they take damage?
I guess it's not completely true, there are some secrets like flameward and explosive trap, but I mean a constant (at least for one whole turn) threat?
It could be as simple as a card allowing weapon classes to unsehathe their weapon during the opponent's turn.
Or just a card that gives your hero a permanent attack buff. For example: Give your hero +1 Attack for the rest of the game.
Dear God, no. The last thing this game needs is an incentive to play the mindless attack buff DH archetype. (I'm not saying it's powerful, just that it's an incredibly tedious, boring deck to play against.)
Match up against the same deck over and over again using your same deck over and over again.
Change your deck.
You then no longer match up against that same deck over and over again.
It's been like this for a long time. I don't care if people want to dismiss it as anecdotal evidence. But then they do that and say in the same breath say that MMR is set up to achieve a 50% win rate. That in itself is manipulation AKA rigging.
Why is it whenever this is brought up a bunch of wall defenders feel the need to tell you how wrong you are? I'm not going to waste my time with deck trackers. I have this thing called a memory. How about YOU use a deck tracker. Go ahead, play the same deck say 50 times. Tell me what what happens. Then switch your deck. Play another 50. Tell me what happens. And I won't ask for proof because I would believe you.
You're right it is anecdotal and pseudoscientific. Psychologically speaking those who claim to have bad luck with something usually don't actually have worse luck than anyone else. You're saying you aren't tracking this, just going on feeling. This isn't our experience so If you want to convince us by using a known fallacy as evidence its not going to work.
OK let's break it down for the simple around here.
This isn't about losing. This isn't about bad luck. I never said I was losing. Can you read?
AGAIN FOR THE UMPTEENTH TIME -
If you play the same deck long enough, you will notice a pattern of hitting a counter to that deck repeatedly. If you switch to another deck, you rarely see that counter deck.
Got it now? This isn't difficult. It goes in line with Blizzard wanting a 50% winrate. Duh der Do YoU unDerStand NoW?
Let's set aside the fact that, once again, you rely on your impressions and memories, rather than actual statistics. As others have pointed out, that's inherently flawed. Speaking as someone who has been playing this game for years, I've NEVER seen the pattern you describe. Sure, sometimes you create a new deck and your first few matches are hard counters, but that's to be expected if you have any understanding of statistics. (Especially if one of the most popular decks is heavily favored against yours.) In my experience, over time the trends revert back to the existing deck distribution.
What made me laugh was that you insist that DESPITE BEING MATCHED WITH COUNTER DECKS, you're not losing. Wow! You must be, like, the best HS player on the planet!! You're being matched (by the evil lizard people running Blizzard) with decks that hard counter yours and STILL you come out on top.
You, sir, are the greatest. Can I have your autograph?
Well, that settles it. You're totally turning me around on this one. I mean, who needs logic, reason, rationale or coherent thought? All you need is mindless assertions.
But if you didn't have the research skills to find it yourself I laugh heartily at the idea of you comprehending it. (The US Patent number was clear in the image in the Kotaku article linked to earlier.)
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He's a Johnny One-Note: all he talks about is "rigged" and tries to steer every conversation back to that. The fact that I have not seen a single person deny that there are bots makes no difference to him.
3nnui, that effort was so transparent, it was sad.
Getting back to OP, yeah, bots are around, but not nearly as bad as it was a few months back. I don't see them very often. I do wish Blizzard would create an easier way to report these things, because it's pretty tedious trying to do so now.
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Nice, nasty response. Very mature. Maybe, just maybe, OP doesn't like playing the questline and wants to, you know, try a less boring deck to play. I'll pretend to be shocked that your name is Aggro.
I'm disappointed to hear that the card has not yet been particularly good. Since I don't have it (but liked playing mage before it became "spells and nothing else"), I had high hopes that we could see a more interesting archetype this expac. That said, we're still very early in the expansion: perhaps someone will come up with a deck that isn't mindless to play and painful to play against.
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Dude. It's been less than 24 hours, so we have absolutely no idea what the new meta will be like. Also, I don't know about you, but I've seen multiple new decks on ladder.
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I hate to be an English stickler, but the sentence "It effects cards like Moonfang in a new way!" is incorrect. It should say "affect," not "effect." To "effect" is to cause or create: to "affect" is to influence.
But the TITLE of the story IS correct!
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Well played....
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"Partially live"? Is that anything like "mostly dead"? (Sorry, but any reference to The Princess Bride is a good one.)
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To answer your first question, I'm almost certain the order will be random. I can't think of a single similar effect in HS (for example, Shudderwock) that goes in order. That fact represents something of a danger: you cast Deep Freeze, only to have Mass Polymorph ruin it for you.
As for the second, I would expect (and certainly hope) that it would only count as a single HK. Massively powerful, otherwise.
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Are you even reading the posts? OP asked for a deck that counters ignite mage and was claiming that it is too strong, a claim that only makes sense if you're talking about it having a high win rate across multiple tiers of the meta. The simple fact is that ignite mage is a mediocre deck on the current ladder and is, by no stretch of the imagination, a dominant deck at any portion of the ladder.
Similarly, your comment that "the majority of players are on lower ranks and their enjoyment of the game matters" is true, but also irrelevant. Are you seriously demanding that Blizzard now "balance" meta and off-meta decks? That's utterly impossible (since many off-meta decks are designed to counter the meta). If those on lower ranks want to climb the ladder, they really have three choices: play a meta deck, play a good counter deck, or get much, much better at the game. But whining and asking for nerfs that are unnecessary is insane.
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So, you're upset about a deck that is, per Tempostorm, a Tier 3 deck? That totally makes sense.
BTW, Pirate Warrior absolutely crushes that deck. So, in other words, two of the most powerful decks in the current meta pretty much destroy the deck you're complaining about.
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I never said you did. Because you didn't specify a class, I assumed (wrongly) that you envisioned this as a neutral card. But even as a druid card, I hate it. The druid questline is also a moronic one to play against, so a card like that would only encourage more people to play that deck.
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Dear God, no. The last thing this game needs is an incentive to play the mindless attack buff DH archetype. (I'm not saying it's powerful, just that it's an incredibly tedious, boring deck to play against.)
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Let's set aside the fact that, once again, you rely on your impressions and memories, rather than actual statistics. As others have pointed out, that's inherently flawed. Speaking as someone who has been playing this game for years, I've NEVER seen the pattern you describe. Sure, sometimes you create a new deck and your first few matches are hard counters, but that's to be expected if you have any understanding of statistics. (Especially if one of the most popular decks is heavily favored against yours.) In my experience, over time the trends revert back to the existing deck distribution.
What made me laugh was that you insist that DESPITE BEING MATCHED WITH COUNTER DECKS, you're not losing. Wow! You must be, like, the best HS player on the planet!! You're being matched (by the evil lizard people running Blizzard) with decks that hard counter yours and STILL you come out on top.
You, sir, are the greatest. Can I have your autograph?
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I'm stunned. I was soooooo sure you were about to blow the cover off this whole conspiracy. Turns out, you're just a troll.
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Well, that settles it. You're totally turning me around on this one. I mean, who needs logic, reason, rationale or coherent thought? All you need is mindless assertions.
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Never mind....