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Ok, I removed my tin foil hat.  I could be just having a bad few weeks.  Thoughts?

I'm glad someone else said this.  I read the article and thought "ok some of these complaints have merit"...and then I read THAT little gem and thought to myself... "welp,  the entire complaint is now undermined by this random Deathstalker Rexxar complaint that has ZERO bearing on the current meta....so yea...this guy was just complaining to complain without thinking about any semblance of balance."

TBH he played the deck poorly, granted the matchup was in his favor if he hadn't screwed it up.  Even with as much armor as you had, if he had played the matchup properly there was a 0% chance he would lose.  You got lucky that he didn't know how to play the win condition in this matchup, and he got lucky by being up against a tank up warrior, and not another aggro paladin or aggro mage.

Sorry but considering what day today is, this is the only acceptable response...

So something that has been on my mind for the past few days...what happened with the SC2 custom mapping community?

When WC3 came out, it had a very robust community of players playing hundreds of custom maps.  It had a plethora of map makers constantly making new game modes, and updating existing maps to be better/bug-free/balanced.  Hell, WC3 gave the world the MOBA genre (DOTA)!

I remember fondly playing tons of maps and them all having a different gameplay feel.  I remember playing some very micro heavy hero battle games, some Co-Op defense games, and very intense Tower Defense games that had really good tower strategy formats.

Yet, when I played SC2 both when it came out, and recently.  It has never felt the same.  The map community tried to convert/port a lot of the popular WC3 mods over a long time ago.  To name a few, Dark Deeds, Kobold Tribes (WC3's Ice Troll Tribes), Element TD.  But even the handful of WC3 maps that got recreated didn't feel the same.  Either thematically or balance-wise.  Not only that but the types of games that seemed to be popular in SC2 seemed to be very polarizing and monotonous.  

The games in SC2 that turned out to be popular were generally poorly scripted/balanced or just spam click fests.  Some examples were games like MineralZ, Line Tower Wars, Desert Strike.  To elaborate a little.  Line Tower Warz and Desert Strike are non-micro games that just enforce spamming counter units at the right time to try and eliminate opponents.  And Mineralz, while fun at first when I played it, turned out to be a nearly never ending game that would go on for HOURS.

Overall, the quality/diversity of maps in SC2 never felt like it did with WC3.  The remade maps just weren't the same, which can be understood to a degree since a lot of the original map makers didn't remake the maps in SC2, but the other problem is that the maps in SC2 just didn't feel diverse enough.

I guess this observation came due to the new Premium Arcade Maps in SC2 a few days ago.  I'm not sure how I feel about this since it does cause the Bethesda problem of having mods be paid will cause community splits.  Custom maps/mods should never be paid for.  Paid stuff should be DLC (like the sc2 co-op heroes) not custom maps.  Paying for mods is a slippery slope that leads to nowhere except a worse gaming experience in the future.

That being said,  the quality of the custom maps in SC2 feels so low that I've actually contemplated buying one of the premium maps because at least I know it'll be balanced and high quality.  It's a bit of a conundrum.

Anyhow I've digressed a little.  To sum up my free-standing question:  Why does SC2 custom map community not feel like the WC3 custom map community?  What are your thoughts on the current situation with SC2.  Would love to hear other community opinions on this.

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The solution I often see and really like is put Doomguard's charge on its battlecry.

 

 What's the point of nerfing the classic set, especially when that card hasn't really been a problem until now? Furthermore, Control Lock often doesn't even use doomguards yet it's still a t1 deck. The problem is NOT doomguard. It's the mechanics that not only allow you to cheat out doomguards, but voidlords as wel. 

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We all know blizzard takes too long to balance their games, how long do you think it'll take before they deal with this cancerous meta? Im guessing we have a whole nother 2 more months of this "diversity" 

That's quite the assumption that you're applying to everyone. Blizzard is deliberate with balance changes because they affect consumer confidence in how we spend dust, that doesn't necessarily make them too slow. Stop comparing decks you don't like a terminal disease you big baby. The meta is quite diverse but all playable decks are streamlined and powerful. 

I believe when people say "balance" they mean they should be able to compete with bad decks and mediocre cards which will never be the case. Anyway you're a dipshit, try getting better at Hearthstone, scrub.

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Thread #572

Edgelord #1,892,544

Yes, maybe there's a bit too many threads about cubelock.  Ever consider that there's also too stagnant of a meta, and the fact that the same two decks from the last standard year are STILL top dogs?  People don't mind top dogs as much if they aren't top dogs all the time.  If the thread(s) bother you that much you could...you know try not posting in them/reading them?  I mean I'm sure when you clicked on the title you knew what was being discussed, so honestly the only thing really interesting here is this...

Do you come to these threads looking for attention, or do you just like to bitch in general?  Or maybe it's a combination of the two...hmm...

I'm going to be that poster, but in the Hearthstone community there are are complaints every time a deck appears on the top for more than one meta at a time. The community is impatient and wants every meta to be a special snowflake variety pack, which is nothing more than impractically idealistic.

I'm almost completely convinced that most Hearthstone players have never played a card game outside of HS, otherwise they would realize that the times that HS does have the same deck from an older meta that allows it to be on top it is not as bad as other longer lasting card games have dealt with in their own game. I can't sympathize with Hearthstone players who complain about Cubelock existing for maybe 2-3 metas in a row when I know other games, such as Yu-Gi-Oh, where players dealt with much worse when having to deal with a variation of Chaos Control decks for well over a year. When compared to older games Hearthstone has comparatively nothing to complain about.

When you actually play another game and then see how impatient the HS community is sometimes it gets a little annoying. The lack of patience is honestly stifling.

You're a priest.  With enough early taunts (i.e. as Sugatang mentioned) Stonehill and Tar Creeper should mitigate enough damage that your hero power should be enough to prevent dying.  Don't forget, health is a resource, you don't need to win a matchup with full 30 HP.  Just 1 will do. :)

I do like seeing Unidentified Elixir though,  an underrated card IMO.

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Thread #572

Cause it's not just your phone.  I'm on desktop and the decks are missing too.  I'm sure they are working on it.

And ask them why...?

My response:

On a sidenote, I think the cubelock combo is still a bit problematic.  I don't think the card needs a direct nerf, but after seeing them around for almost 3 season metas, it's time Blizzard adjusted the card.  The best idea I've discussed with friends/heard of is the simple change to make the charge effect only come from being played as a battlecry, that way it's still a high stat minion to cheat out, but if you want to go face, then you gotta pay for it with discards.

I mean, the fact that RUSH is a new keyword should point out the fact that blizzard isn't going to be making many more charge cards anymore.  It's been discussed to death before but Charge has always been at the core of problematic cards and then nerfed into oblivion because too many people want to abuse that tasty SMorc action.

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It has favored match-ups against Cube Warlocks, Aggro Paladins, AND Spiteful Druids! (YES, REALLY!)

Aggro Paladins, maybe.  Cube lock and Spiteful Druids, not really.

 

 Yeah i want to know his plan for Tyrantus on 5 or 6 depending on coin.  Spiteful is a nightmare without Hex and a 50/50 with it.  

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I am missing the key card: Kalimos.  For the time being I've inserted Al'Akir; does anyone have a better recommendation?

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Fun deck till you have to play Spiteful anything or Warlock.  Wait that's like 90% of the players these days.