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Paladin was one of the weakest classes pre-GvG. But the devs know this and so we can expect to see a few good Paladin cards in the next set. Further more, with the slower play of pre-GvG, while a control Paladin might not have ever shown up in tournaments, it could easily make Rank 5 with no Epic/Legendary cards, if you are willing to play slow games. Also I have a feeling that Inspire Paladin is going to be a main deck in the future, maybe even the best Paladin deck. With GvG out of the way, TGT can really shine. I had some luck with Inspire based Paladin right after it was released and that was in a world where I was replacing Shredders and Jugglers with Inspire cards. Now that the Shredders and Jugglers are gone, there is space to make Inspire work.

Midrange loses 12-14 minions or whatever. Add a few spells, the second Equality and one Avenging Wrath, or maybe even double Enter the Coliseum becomse a thing. Next add 2x Garrison Commander, 2x Silver Hand Regent, 2x Murloc Knight, 2x Maiden of the Lake, 2x Mukla's Champion, and maybe a few Kvaldir Raiders. After that proceed to play this extremely fun Inspire deck. With the new expansion, a few new Inspire and support cards, and a bit of refinement I see no reason why this shouldn't be a viable deck.

Wild

Doubtful that Secret Paladin will stay dominant in Wild. He is already losing status. So many counters available. Nearly every class has deck/tech counters available if they want to run 'em.

Even Reynad recently stated the thing I've been shouting for ages: "Mysterious Challenger isn't the problem with Secret Paladin, it is the neutral support cards that make it dominant."

That quote might be paraphrasing but it is accurate. It is the Knife Juggler, and Piloted Shredder, and Dr. Boom that makes Secret Paladin strong. Nerf the neutral fuckers that have needed it for over a year and Secret Paladin drops off completely.

Even watching Lifecoach play a Rogue deck, that counters Secret Paladin, he occasionally has trouble. And guess where his main trouble in dealing with Secret Paladin always seems to be? The DR. BOOM turn. It's not the secrets, it's not Mysterious Challenger. Dr. Boom is the one that seals the game, makes a comeback near impossible, and makes Secret Paladin seem unfair.

Further more they have stated that they won't ignore Wild balance. Maybe a hint at a Dr. Boom nerf? I don't see how they can contend that they will be balancing wild, without a few nerfs.

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Why are people so resistant towards Argent Lance and Tuskarr Jouster?  The weapon counters 3/2s and Tuskarr is a huge tempo drop, 5/5s on turn 5 are not easy to remove, the heal is easy to build the deck around.  Use weapons / spells for low drops,not Pyromancers.

I'm hoping the meta returns to Face Aggro.  Those decks are easy to take down using taunts + Paladin heal arsenal.

 

Fuck you Blizz and your Doublespeak.

Stop trying to tell us why we are all wrong and the removal of packs is a good thing.

We are TELLING YOU that it is NOT a good thing. YOU ARE WRONG.

Shut the fuck up or fix it or both.

I agree that removal of GvG packs is the worst part of this whole deal. Doesn't make any sense. And it makes acquiring the GvG cards much more expensive. Not very new player friendly.

For me it means:

• Disenchanting all neutral Goldens not from Basic/Classic
• Only keeping neutral Golden cards from Basic/Classic from now on
• Buying GvG packs from now til next expansion

I always neglected GvG. Favoured buying Classic packs into TGT. Not sure if that makes me lucky or not. On the one hand I now don't need to buy them if I don't want. On the the other hand, only ~40 days before you can no longer buy GvG packs.

39.625 Legendary cards worth of dust to craft full GvG set. That's just mean Blizz. Fix your attitude.

What this poll says: Around 85% of Hearthpwn users could never be game developers.

Farebad, Dr. Boom, fare bad. Enjoy your new casual mode.

Dear Dr. Boom,

Enjoy your stay in CASUAL FORMAT and good riddance.

BOOM SHAKALAKA

Glad I crafted 2x Golden Argent Protectors a bit more than a month ago. Value acquired.

Time to bust out the old Avenging Wrath and double Equality control decks.

Also Inspire Paladin.

Fun times ahead.

Looks like mostly good things are happening.

Biggest problem I have is GvG packs removal. Makes no sense.

How is that good for anyone?

What if a new player wants to play WILD, and thinks GvG are the coolest cards?

Without packs, it will be so much more expensive and time consuming to craft them, and they will also have less value than they did before.

So at the same time that you are removing them from parts of the game you are also hugely increasing the cost of them too. MAKES NO SENSE.

EDIT: 10600 dust just to craft the Commons and Rares from GvG. That's 6.625 Legendary cards. If you want the Epics and Legendary cards that's an additional 52800 dust or 33 more Legendary cards worth of dust. Removing packs = anyone who wants to buy GvG cards is going to pay a huge amount more than it currently costs.

Hell yeah, be gone shit GvG expansion. My only regret is that I did not get to test out Bolvar Fordragon and Troggzor the Earthinator. Sucks that the unplayed cards have to go also. Also some cards create very unique strategies, that aren't OP or even played that much, and those have to be ruined also. Really sucks for the unplayed Legendaries such as Bolvar and Troggzor and deck defining Epics such as Hobgoblin. These cards do not deserve to be killed, what did they ever do, they hardly ever saw play. Only Dr. Boom and Piloted Shredder and a few others needed to be removed to wildly alter the game.

Oh well. I guess never being able to play Bolvar Fordragon is a small price to pay for removing those ugly fuckers, Dr. Boom and Piloted Shredder. Begone brain-dead OP tempo cards. Time to stop catering to the baddies who have no idea what they are doing, so they can only play tempo/aggro. Welcome back to what made Hearthstone great and popular in the first place, a slow thinking meta.

Saw someone say about Azure Drake, almost the exact opposite thing said about Knife Juggler.

Knife Juggler: 100% of the time, 50% of the players are pissed off.

Azure Drake: Always feels great to play. Never feels unfair to have it played against you.

Dr. Boom: More OP than any other card, and absolutely no restrictions.

Reno Jackson and Elise Starseeker: Extremely strong but only in a very specific situation, major restrictions.

Azure Drake should be applauded. These are the kinds of cards they should print. More Azure Drake, more Reno Jackson and Elise Starseeker. And nerf those other fucked up cards: Dr Boom, Piloted Shredder, Knife Juggler, and a few others.

Yeah, gotta say I'm with Noxious on this one. I think Entomb is one of the most broken new cards.

Since it's reveal, I knew it was going to be busted. Never said anything because Priest wasn't the best at the time. Also there were still more pressing concerns at the time, such as Dr. Boom and Piloted Shredder, which they still have yet to address. But since I saw Entomb, I see no reason why Priest shouldn't be absolutely dominating the meta right now. That's one of the main frustrations in seeing all the Paladin complaints, Priest counters it so hard.

I'm thinking the only reason Priest isn't dominating the meta is for two possible reasons. One theory is that since Priest was bad for so long, no one has collected the Priest cards, so no one has enough cards to play the current meta-dominating Priest decks. The other possibility is that Priest is simply seen as unfun. I love the high Health minions, Healing Hero power, and controlling aspect of Priest, but the stealing makes it feel like such a bullshit unfun class. Makes me never want to play it simply for how unfun stealing is, maybe others feel the same? I feel stealing is too much like Reynad's thoughts on Knife Juggler: 100% of the time, 50% of the players are pissed off. Stealing is bad design.

But back to the main topic of Entomb. I fully agree with Noxious that it will be one of the most restricting cards created. Playing big stuff was hard enough with just Big Game Hunter in every single deck. Now having to deal with Entomb just destroys any late game deck.

I only play Hearthstone for the control decks. I absolutely fucking hate playing aggro. The arrival of Entomb is so disheartening. Reno Jackson and Elise Starseeker arrive and we are getting close to a time when control can function. I can finally play a deck that is similar to the slow style of pre-GvG. But with Entomb around, Priest will be able to destroy any of those decks. GvG ruined slow decks. And right at a time when they are about to come back. Entomb fucking ruins them forever more. Shit design. Entomb is in my top 5 nerfs. It absolutely needs to go.

Quote from zamrai >>

About Lifecoach's stats - he is just one person so it is all subjective. I keep solid stats as well and mine are different to his, which is not less than 25%. Do you suggest his stats are more relevant because he is a better player?

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@KantLex: "So it is actually the community getting unhealthy on playing the same deck type, but not the fault of the card design in anyway. "

Sorry M8, but the reason why the community is unhealthy is because it is the fault of card design. Since the card design is broken, the community will exploit it just like it exploited Undertaker and Patron.

 Yes, people may exploit because of card design. 

However, the creativity of deck is not related to particular card design. Before Ostkaka use Ragnaros, almost no SP use it. Although I don't think is a big innovative move apart from standard SP, but at least it gives fresh breath to the deck. 

Therefore, being boring to play against is one thing, being OP is another. But overall speaking, I dun think it is an OP deck for high ranks player. At low ranks, you could say it is because less skillful players can pilot it well with good curve and their opponents usually don't know how to deal with it skillfully.

 Once again, OPness is not the issue, because it's not OP. The problem with SP is that it flips the skill-tree and allows bad players to achieve better results on ladder than good players with any other deck.

Let me give you an example. Let's say there would be a perk in Call of Duty which gives your weapon a 50% chance to hit your opponent even without aiming and 50% to completely miss even if you aim down. Like an aimbot which only works 50% of the time. Would it be OP? No, because good players are able to hit more than 50% of the time. But would it be fair? No, because every noob would be able to kill a skilled player without even trying. And ofcourse pro players wouldn't use it because their skill overcomes the perk but they will still get sniped by noobs occasionally and can't do anything about it.

I hope you get the point.

In my opinion Hearthstone should reward players for their skillful plays and not for choosing a certain deck.

 

 

Quote from zamrai >>

Community perception doesn't always match reality, and problems get worse over time. If problems last until a new set, sometimes new cards can throw a wrench in the meta and change things so we don't need to step in and nerf.

Yeah, let's just make players suffer our bad design decisions for half a year until future card set maybe will change something - this attitude of current dev team is pissing me off.

Nerf?

YEP, STILL NEEEDS IT.

Interview with Hoej:

http://read.navi-gaming.com/en/team_news/interview_with_hoej_rng_skill

—  Is there a card in particular that you consider overpowered at the moment and that would require to be balanced?

—  This is a really good question, because I actually wanted to make an article about this subject. There are several cards I find overpowered but the most broken card is probably Dr. Boom, because he can fit into every deck.

Even in a world of Secret Paladins, good players understand the true problem is still Dr. Boom. Fix Dr. Boom and Paladin loses a lot. Fix the next two biggest problem cards in the game, Piloted Shredder and Knife Juggler, and Paladin completely falls off.