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If that was your intention then you don't have to use Runeterra as the conclusion. It dilutes your general purpose somehow..

Yes, it will be good if HS like that. Hope the devs and studio read it. End of story.

Sorry for back to back post, needed to add more point to the discussion.

If you don't have all the DmF cards yet, you should assume that you will use again some of the gold from the estimated total gold you will get.

For me, I assume I will open at least 25 more packs, so I will minus 2500gold.

And I assume that when the mid exp arrive, I will open 20 packs at least to get the cards. So it minus 2000gold again.

1500gold minus already because I used some of my gold from lv 1-30

So for myself, the gold I should estimated to collect in the start of next expansion is 10k - 2.5k -2k -1.5k = 4k.

It was 4k, it's about in par with what I usually got in start of expansion.. still positive..

Quote from P4dge >>

I see this exact same argument throughout each year... Year after year...... Regarding Pro Evi and Fifa. 

We get it, there are multiple games within a genre. Some people will prefer playing one over the othet(s), some will spread their time across multiple. That's fine, some people prefer pro evo, others prefer Fifa. 

But they, like you, for some reason have a need to try and 'convert' people to their preference. If you prefer runeterra, cool, play runeterra and enjoy discussing that positively on a forum or reddit. I've tried magic and I've tried runeterra and for me, hearthstone is far superior. 

I'm not a big card game player, I'd tried a couple in the past and found them clunky and unappealing. Hearthstone is an anonoly in that sense for me, I really enjoy it. I'm sorry you don't but I imagine me enjoying it means absolutely nothing to whether or kot you do. 

Apply that same logic in reverse, you constantly telling me you prefer another game is irrelevant. I don't care. Your enjoyment and preferences simply aren't on my radar at all. Just ad mine aren't with you. 

So just as I stick to talking about hearthstone because I enjoy it, why not use this time to discuss your preferred game? Is that not more positive? No one has ever given me a reasonable response to the question 'why do you haunt the forum of a game you claim to dislike rather than spend time on a forum of the game you do like'. 

It's like going to a restaurant you know you don't like, just so you can complain about not liking it whilst the restaurant you do like would happily seat and serve you. 

 I'm super agree with you..

But just in case.. maybe we should ask this guy first or look at Runeterra forum.. just in case, maybe, just maybe.. he was actively open thread there about how good Runeterra is. But for all the other points, I truly agreed with you. This kind of topic about Runeterra should not posted in HS forum, general category, with the kind of 'trash-talk' to Hearthstone. If he just saying the good things about Runeterra, with screenshot and quick summary in other games category.. I'm all for him.

Also, I wonder where are the moderator is..? He was so fast gimme a warning when I was joking around even though it doesn't intentionally hurts the HS forum nor community.

Dont forget that he count all the gold you get from reward track. That means, if you were like me, reach lv 31 now and estimated to get 10k gold at the end.. doesn't mean I will have 10k spare at that expansion.

Bacause I already used about 1500gold from level 1-30, then I will only left with 8500gold in the end of the reward cycle.

*Keep this in mind just in case you end up with gold lower than the estimated in the future..

Also, I should say this. Even though the estimated progression and gold seems promising, the lack of another sources of gold besides reward track is annoying. They should add other source to get gold, especially because some of the quests actually need gold, like the win 4 arena match quest (assuming you used your re-roll already).

I respect your opinion.

But in my opinion, Runeterra is not even close to hearthstone's fun.

No offense Riot, you still make a very cool CCG in Runeterra, but it just too far away from the kind of fun hearthstone offer. In a world without hearthstone, Runeterra definitely rule digital CCG.

Hopefully you respect my opinion too.

 There's a forum category called 'other games'

Quote from Chelmsford >>

I've played over 20 games in Rogue with a very draw and removal heavy build and still I can't get close to completing C'Thun...much less drawing him.  Same goes for N'Zoth and I've even tried some of the net deck variants here (as much as I hate to admit that).  I've seriously not completed C'Thun once and by the time I lay down N'Zoth it's of no value.  And please, save the comments about variance, deck build, etc.  I get it, there's aggro out there and it straight up counters anything I'm trying to do with C'Thun or N'Zoth.  I'm just curious if anyone is else is amazed by the fact that Blizzard prints new cards in Darkmoon like C'Thun and N'Zoth and still allows all the tools for every variation of DH and Hunter to be a thing.  Seriously, what's the use?  It's turn 6 or 7 and the game is over when facing DH and Hunter...and these are the overwhelming majority of decks you face in the meta.  The C'Thun pieces neither heal nor clear a board early enough to be of any value.  Honestly, I just dont get why they print what would otherwise be fairly cool and interactive cards like this if we can never play them in the meta they're released.  It's not a matter of salt, frustration or anything along those lines...I truly just dont see the value in cards like this if you can't consistently get close to playing them.  

 

 It's hard to complete C'thun in rogue. But if you really want to complete it there's some other deck that could easily finish it when they own the match.

It was Control Warrior, Albatross Priest, Control Highlander Mage.

The thing is we see C'thun as a combo card when it wasn't, at all. C'thun is just a control card that only shine in control matchup. Just like Archivist Elysiana. Most of the time she never shows up in any match, until you face that grindy control matchup and you so happy you include her. Except C'thun parts can be use to control the board when Elysiana is just a dead card in hand. Also, C'thun is 5 less fatigue count than Elysiana, but C'thun deal 30 damage right away, which is better than 5 fatigue count.

The core issue is control deck doesn't see much light because demon hunter somehow can aggroing control deck pretty easily.

Quote from yepapapepeap >>

it is almost funny how bad overload is

 TLDR

Level 31 now..

I'm pretty sure almost everyone will get around 50 in the end of December or in the first week of January..

Quote from Daulphas >>

TL;DR =
Too long
Didn't read

To ask someone to create a TL;DR post is to ask them to limit the articulation and specificity of their thoughts.
Which in turn can lead to misinterpretation and ambiguity.

Would much rather have a wall of text that explains things clearly than 2 sentences that explain little to nothing.

 I agreed..

If people can't stand paragraph, they should stay in TikTok.

Quote from Shipmen >>

There are a lot of skeptical people. It is quite reasonable that Blizzard and/or other companies are using this tools. Their business is to sell, it is not to entertain you. If the entertainment increase the sales, good, otherwise it is quite reasonable that they are using these tools.

This is disgusting and I agree but we have had many of similar examples in the past. Biggest examples? Google and Facebook's data. They created a profile of us in order to sell our data to other companies to let these companies to target the right people with the marketing. (and this is indeed the real business of Google and Facebook). It is a public information that Goole and Facebook are using our data. In my Facebook's home, for example I have advertises for financial courses (I like finance) and video games, my girlfriend for clothes and diapers. 

Therefore I am not surprised that similar things are happening also in games with in-game purchase.

I would say that for sure is happening. 

 You were right.

If we compare it to Google and Facebook, yes, blizzard might use the same in-game-experience manipulation to psychologically makes his customer to spent more. Not only blizzard, I think all of big online multiplayer games do that. Especially the one with gacha system.

But rigging the match and top-deck is something that can be empirically proven.

I even understand what the method they can use for rig the top-deck (remember zephrys, it proves blizzard can count swing point of the board state, therefore they can pick one of the known card in deck with highest swing point related to board or lethal to be in top or bottom deck), but accusing them to rig the match is a serious accusation to make.

Because we know hearthstone has an esport event, and if it was true that blizzard rigged the normal match, which is unethical things to do, every athletes (not only hearthstone) will stop joining the esports and that will be a big hit for them. So I think blizzard still have ethic to not do that (but who knows).

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Quote from Rohriant >>

Come on, Yep, accusing someone in discussion to be get paid as a spy is clearly an attack. You doesn't have to be sensitive to know it. And then change the course discussion to attack his method of elaborating? To criticize the wall of text? That so low..

Discussion's spotlight should not be about the motive or the method or who was talking, discussion's spotlight should be the thing that matters. We should respect every opinion and count every facts brought to the table.

How if, that shadowrisen refuse to hear your thoughts about the game because you can't even make a proper paragraph to elaborate. You should not join the the discussion. Doesn't it feels as an attack to you, yep?

But no, he not do that or attack your persona in any other way. He instead elaborate his point again and again and counter your argument. Which is very noble thing to have in discussion. I can't be that patience. That's a patience of real life lawyer for sure.

tldr

 Thanks for quoting my wall of text for nothing so it can be read twice. And now I quoting your quote so it can be read thrice!

What a value. Thank you!!

Come on, Yep, accusing someone in discussion to be get paid as a spy is clearly an attack. You doesn't have to be sensitive to know it. And then change the course discussion to attack his method of elaborating? To criticize the wall of text? That so low..

Discussion's spotlight should not be about the motive or the method or who was talking, discussion's spotlight should be the thing that matters. We should respect every opinion and count every facts brought to the table.

How if, that shadowrisen refuse to hear your thoughts about the game because you can't even make a proper paragraph to elaborate. You should not join the the discussion. Doesn't it feels as an attack to you, yep?

But no, he not do that or attack your persona in any other way. He instead elaborate his point again and again and counter your argument. Which is very noble thing to have in discussion. I can't be that patience. That's a patience of real life lawyer for sure.

Quote from Shadowrisen >>

I think that's a perfectly reasonable approach to the whole thing.  I guess I just want to emphasize that we can pick better opinion leaders. 

 Imo, Brian Kibler could be that person. He stood up when there's a blitzchung situation (talks about human rights and larger-than-game issue), he also always speak up about the meta balancing in the era of omnislash (remember when baku and genn is in meta, finally rotated early because Kibler make an omnislash content to says that unhealthy to the meta almost every 2 months).

Also, Brian Kibler was a pro and game designer in other ccg/tcg games, so he sure have credibility to talks about it.

But he rarely said anything about how much hearthstone's cost. So, I don't know, maybe he just never see it as a problem.

I don't usually commented, but I got irritated by how yepapep and popeye randomly attack person in the internet just because he elaborate his opinion clearly. If I was the moderator, this is not kind of discussion I wanted and both person should have get banned.

Discussion should stay objective and based on the what point discussed, or what statement brought to the table, not suddenly changed to attacking the person who just gives his opinion on the topic. Only a very low person do that.

Also, surely my paragraph above is out of topic discussion. But I feel the need to pointed this out because this will be unhealthy forum to have. And I want this two people to know that this their harassment (?) to shadowrisen Is actually more hurtful to read than the wall of text shadowrisen has wrote. And I don't like the wall of text either but I still read it and doesn't feel bad about it, at all.