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Quote from Francky_Dirty7>>Isn't he?!
Player since Naxx, I never seen as many Leeroy as in this meta... Put him everywhere fellas!! Even control deck can include this as a finisher; it's better than many others legendaries...
Never seen him in any control deck. What are you on?
His mustache deserve a special place in the Hall of Fame am I right?!
No. Enough already with the “HoF this card I just lost against” whining.
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nah.
when a deck is a strong as tempo rogue is, you start to feel like every card is broken. Stuff like Leeroy and Sap aren't broken but they "feel" like it when rogue is already so far ahead after slapping your shit.
It's the raiding party package that tips rogue over the edge. raiding party draws you great tempo cards with great synergy that curves out perfectly. Think about how good master's call made midrange hunter, now consider if you could play every one of the cards you draw over the next two turns and have them all be hugely impactful.
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No control deck uses or could use Leroy.
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There's literally two good decks that use Leeroy right now.
But yes, -he- is definitely the problem and the main reason the entire meta is warped around rogue. Yup.
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Is any class safe from people asking for nerfs? I don’t play rogue but it doesn’t need nerfing at least it’s actually fun to play against unlike fall to sleep warrior
>55% winrate against all the classes except warrior.
> doesn’t need nerfing
Okay. People are forced to play sleep warrior because of coffee rogue
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These nerf everything people are out of their minds.
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Quote from nichocolates >>I will just leave this here
https://hsreplay.net/archetypes/169/tempo-rogue#tab=matchups
The only reason why tempo/aggro rogue is not a tier 1 deck with over 58% winrate is because of control warrior existing and yet people are targeting the wrong class LOL.
Let’s see a list of possible nerfs include:
Preparation> change it to 1 mana.
Backstab > change it to 1 mana or deal 1 damage
Raiding party > change it to 4 mana.
SI agent > change it to 4 mana
Myra’s unstable element> let’s make it 7 mana, why not?
Evil miscreant > change it to 4 mana.
EdWin van cleef> make it 4 mana.
4 mana taunt pirate> change it to 5 mana
What else am I missing?
Oh boy, someone here is reeeeeeally hates rogue and wants them to have 10% winrate
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By the way my friend, those are a lot of nerfs and it will eventually lead to Priest Tier. Are you sure you want to do that?
I'm glad you're not part of Blizzard team. They are incredibly bad, as well as SI:7 nerf, why that?
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Quote from nichocolates >>
The only reason why tempo/aggro rogue is not a tier 1 deck with over 58% winrate is because of control warrior existing
There you have the answer why rogue should not have to be nerfed. As long as there are counterdecks there´s no reason to nerf imo.
BTW: I like playing rogue and I´m glad that rogue has finally a good deck again. There were times were rogue was just nothing. This time will come again, but hopefully not because of a silly not needed nerf.
Lol , look at the data. You don’t think >55% winrate against 8/9 classes is a problem?
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Given that Dean Ayala even asks on twitter how to get back people how quit / play less, I think it is pretty safe to assume that the game indeed loses ground quickly. Whereas MTGA rises, and I also moved from playing lots of arena in HS to just doing dailies, if even, while playing much more MTGA.
The game is just too expensive and sorry, but MTG is just the better game. Where HS basically plays in autopilot mode (ANY deck does, only arena is somewhat challenging), MTG allows more complex interactions and is just more fun once you get into it.
Hold on - you mean to suggest MTGA is cheaper option?
It certainly was and still is. Before they introduced duplicate protection, the game was incrediby generous with the rewards from Constructed Event. At that rate, hardcore players could have easily gotten a full playset over time, without paying anything. Sadly they nerfed the rewards when they added the much requested duplicate protection, but it still is much more generous than HS. You already get lots of cards to start with, 3 weekly packs, and if you play just 4 wins per day, you can open another pack daily. Keep in mind though that MTG has a huge cardpool.
Neat.
However, it really depends on your play style as I read it. It may be cheaper if you spend those many hours farming, but let’s face it, a lot of us really don’t have that kind of time.
In HS I can stay competitive with a quite casual play style, completing the daily quests and some odd arena over the weekend. Competitive by my standard is quite low, I may add. I simply hit rank 5 every season and leave it at that.
So at the end of the day, “cheaper” has more elements to it, mainly how competitive you seek to be. HS is perfectly possible to be a consecutive rank 5 player for free.
I would try out MTGA if it had a mobile option, but as the game is right now, it seems to be aimed at the hardcore gamer people.
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Correction: I meant they should bring back Adventures* not Expansions
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When will blizzard understand that the game should focus on the f2p part more?
I think they should bring back Expansions (new ones) which could be purchased with in-game gold. That was a great way for f2p players to remain f2p while keeping up and having the same tools as those who paid. I mean people will still throw money at the game! The point is that as new expansions come out, the cost of the game goes up. This means that many competitive f2p players can't keep up and end up leaving the game. Most of my friends don't play Hearthstone anymore because of this. Isn't that what Hearthstone's all about? Playing with friends?
Oh and btw, this is all coming from someone who's pretty much the exact opposite of f2p as I've spent WAYYY too much on this game already (pretty sure that's why I'm one of the last who kept playing)
In the last few expansions, they did introduce some things which do help the f2p as well as the suckers who keep throwing money at the screen (me included), which are the free legendary(s) and packs at the start of each new expansion, as well as the No Duplicate Legendary change. But that's about IT.
(Well there are the occasional events like the Midsummer Fire Festival which helped, or the occasional free pack, but in a game which needs at least a hundred packs per expansion just to keep up.. That's not enough)
Give more! Give more to RECEIVE more!! You want the player-base to grow right? Then as more content gets released, release free content as well! Keep in mind that paying players always start as f2p, but if you turn them off early on due to the high cost of the game, they'll just leave it and play some other similar game which doesn't require as much spending and grinding just to remain competitive.
Sorry for the rant guys..
Cheers ~
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I just reached Legend for the very first time, but did so while playing in Wild EU (don't know if that counts lol).
I used a combination of Renolock, Odd Pala and Odd Rogue starting from Rank 12.. Jesus Christ Rank 1 - Legend was a nightmare.
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I know many have already said this but.. Wow this deck performs wonderfully! I've been stuck at Ranks 5-3 for the past two months (I never have the will to put in the grind, I hate it, so unless I use a deck with a very high win-rate I usually just chill and use meme-decks).
I had already tried variations of this deck (Alliestrasza's was my favorite prior to trying out this one) but this one's just stomping on everything it finds!! It's a very well-balanced deck with an answer to pretty much anything, Aggro, Combo or Control. I only changed one thing (and that I'm not sure of), which is I swapped a Plated Beetle for another Spellbreaker (great and must-keep when queuing against Hunter, most of which are those annoying Big Recruit decks)
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Reno Jackson.. Playing him riiiight before your opponent kills you is one of the BEST feeling EVER LOL.
I always feel like busting a nut when it happens haha
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Too late. I "feel" for those who crafted Keleseth this month lol
There are so many new board clears and obstacles: Warrior now has a new really good board clear Reckless Fury, Warlock is probably setting up a wall of taunts, other than the fact that it's one of the classes with the beast board clears of the game, Mage already has a lot of anti-aggro tools, and now has even more so due to new card-generating cards, Dragon Priest now has Duskbreaker which is insane as he can get an additional 2 from Netherspite Historian and we still need to see the new Hunter cards which I suppose are more Control oriented (thus some type of shitty board clear is to be expected).
I wouldn't say aggro is dead. Keleseth decks could still survive if they're able to Highroll against certain decks, but I'd say for the most part we'll see a return of The Caverns Below since the new secret and legendary will make the Quest 10x easier to complete. So we'll have a Control heavy meta (the better decks so far seem to be Jades, big druid,Razakus Anduin, Dragon Priest, Fatigue Warrior, Control Warlock, probably some kind of new OTK Mage and Elemental Mage, or probably even some kind of functional Mill Rogue), Quest Rogues, and a few sparse aggro and mid-range decks here and there.
BUUUT until they reveal all the cards all bets are off, though the scenario I described is what I believe we'll see.
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From the looks of it I'd say this expansion's gonna be sooooo fun.. at least during the first 2 weeks.. BUUUT I'm unfortunately afraid that, like with almost every other expansion, some broken-ass decks will pop up and make the meta unplayable for most original decks till the next rotation.
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I removed The Lich King and put instead Lord Jaraxxus since I find TLK to be a bit too unreliable. I often get Army of the dead, that's pretty bad with this deck. A problem I found is that, due to the weak early game of the deck, I'll reach the 8th or 9th turn with very low HP, and while a Taunt such as TLK can save you on some occasions, Lord J. will turn games around most of the time. Also, with today's Druid-Meta games tend to be much slow making greedy decks more viable (just look at Big Priest, which, unless they have Barnes, play their first card on the 6th turn). Some other minor changes I made, which IMO make the deck overall better, are:
-Bloodmage Thalnos +Sunfury Protector
-Happy Ghoul +Mind Control Tech