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I personally love farming rouges with control warrior and playing long games against other control decks managing my resources, I know im in kind of a minority but yeah

 im a control player myself but warrior is incredibly dull. 

there is literally no resource management as you have more and better removal than any opponent has threads. not to mention you discover even more removal with assembly and boom and all your minions are becoming removals as well after you played boom because of that bs rush thing...

 Yup this sums it up pretty much. 
The control decks are so reactive it's not even fun. The warrior one doesn't even have any sort of wincondition besides fatigue. I compare this to BSM which had some many interesting optioions like, alana sindragosa toki pyroblast astromancer. Warrior just removes everything and then chills.

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I do wonder, if i am that can't really find an interesting deck to play. I did try to build a lot of unique decks, but everyone of them sucked. I feel like all the interesting cards (interesting in my point of view obviously) suck. I always had some decks i enjoyed, but somehow i struggle with that somehow. 

Btw. Before you scream i am salty, i am not. I am just curious if the current decks seem interesting to you. I am also not saying that it sucks balance wise. The tempo rogue deck at least lets you do something :P

 what decks did you try? Maybe I and some others can get some inspiration by the decklists

I'm having fun with Jepetto Spell Hunter at around rank 5 right now with about a 50% winrate

 I tried to build a control shaman with mega windfury as a finsiher, emeriss hunter, bwomsamdi gallery priest, dragon paladin, handbuff paladin, control paladin, heal paladin liam hakkar paladin and some kind of boomzooka hunter. i know not all cards are supposed to be insanly strong, but it is such a bummer when you collect many cards and more than half of them are not even playable. 

Thank god, i was afraid that i am some kind of spoiled brat, that just can't be happy with what he gets. But it seems like i am not alone :D

Quote from 1xbenx1 >>

Even with Rogue being very overtuned, it's still a pretty good metagame. A lot of decks are ladder viable.

I think, with a few small tweaks we could be in a very good place.

 I am not talking about how good or balanced it is, because in that aspect i find it quite acceptable. Rogue is dominant, but it is not a deck were you feel helpless, which i find refreshing. 
But the decks itself are rather dull. Not many interesting interactions or synergys you can put in your deck.

I do wonder, if i am that can't really find an interesting deck to play. I did try to build a lot of unique decks, but everyone of them sucked. I feel like all the interesting cards (interesting in my point of view obviously) suck. I always had some decks i enjoyed, but somehow i struggle with that somehow. 

Btw. Before you scream i am salty, i am not. I am just curious if the current decks seem interesting to you. I am also not saying that it sucks balance wise. The tempo rogue deck at least lets you do something :P

I never got to play full power razakus, just played against it and i don't think that it would be that problematic to have it unnerfed. Wild aggro decks are strong ebough to kill it really fast. The wild powerlevel is so high, that it wouldn't be a problem, imo

i always thought Grimy Gadgeteer is a croc, with a metal jaw. But it is a goblin carrying a big gun :D

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If you don't want to see the same deck play Casual.  I'm sure you're bound to run into a Meme deck. 

If you're laddering?  You get what you sign up for.  

There's nothing but the same tier 1 and 2 netdecks in casual. "You're bound to run into a Meme deck" roughly translates into "maybe you'll face a non-netdeck once in every 20 games" for me.  

Still the biggest failure I see in this game. Zero effort by team 5 to offer SOME kind of play mode that encourages the use of a full collection without punishing players by making it a non-gold-earning environment. 

Still, deck trackers have nothing to do with it, and asking Blizzard to create and then enforce a ToS change regarding deck trackers is pointless. As others have mentioned, as long as streaming is a thing, netdecking will be hyper fast. 

Tournament mode, please. Something that lets players define the deckbuilding space and utilize the entire card set, rather than the same small card pool we see every meta.

 

 To the streaming point i want to say that you cannot compare streamer with the typical player. For example thijs played a heal druid with almost 70% wr while on hsreplay the same Deck had 35%. Obviously my idea is not flawless but it was something that just came to my mind. 

I could not agree more to the need of using the full collection, like a Tournament mode. 

Quote from Haussenfuss >>

Hmmm . . .

I suspect the OP is being overly optimistic (or pessimistic?) if he supposes that folks are net-decking due to deck-trackers. They aren't. Indeed, there is only a very loose correlation between win-rates and play-rates on HSReplays. The day before the new set launched, the top deck in the meta-game was Secret Paladin - it had a play-rate of 1.3%. Folks are playing the new decks because they are new, and they tend to gravitate towards the decks that win, rather than the decks that lose. But there isn't any science to any of it - during WItchwood, Shudderwock was regularly the most-played deck in the format, despite regularly posting win-rates in the low-40s.

FWIW - I'm a big nerd. I screenshot the HSReplays meta-page every weekend. It's pretty normal for five or six of the top-ten decks to be among the ten most-played decks - but that's about it. Half of the most-played decks are regularly well outside of the top ten in terms of win-rate, and it's not at all uncommon for a relatively high play-rate deck to not even be among the top 20 in terms of win-rate - recall that the day before the new set launched, HSReplays was tracking 24 decks with win-rates above 50%. It's natural to expect exceptions, and for all I know, the top ten decks are currently all among the ten most-played - but again, it seems unlikely that deck-trackers have much impact on the meta-game. Most folks I meet at FSGs don't even know that sites like hearthpwn exist, let alone that they could be tracking games with third-party apps . . .

 Good point. But don't you think the tracking sites increase the speed of Information spreading heavily?

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Counterpoint: meta uniformity (I.e. netdecking) allows actual deckbuilding to be more targeted, focused and successful. 

 True, i so wanna say tho,  that i never suggested to remove all Deck Tracking. Just to hold back the percentages at the start of an Expansion. I also know that my idea is just me daydreaming, but it's still fun to discuss about it. I am also open mindedabout other suggestions on how to make the initial Launch phase a little longer. 

Love to you all :)

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So you’d rather see shitty deck builds out there so you can complete better with your poorly made decks?  

 If you want to see it that way, yes. I just had so much fun in the first 12 hours of the Expansion and wished i could have more Time in that gamestate. 

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Why does winning mean so much that you can't face same decks in first week of expansion?

 Well it does not. But you see, take warrior for example. There are currently 443 different cards, that it can use. Resulting in the binomial coefficient of 443 over 30, (if you don't take duplicates!). Using a calculator, that is 34056950151353284252864705340925765947324035416 different possible decks. And u face only 1. I would like to see more than one composition of cards. Variety is fun.

 What the actual fuck dude. You want people to just throw random stuff into the deck?

Oh I'm playing Mech Hunter so I'll put Nozdurmu, Nat Pagle, Ysera and a couple of auctioneers because I want my deck to be different.

 By no means, i said that you have that many playable decks, but if you only put one copy of a card into your deck, this is the amount of decks warrior can play, means there are even more and also about the same for all other classes.

By no means i said that even 5% of them would be good. But i wanted to show you the number, which is quite impressive in my eyes.

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What you're advocating for is nothing short of internet censorship.  how about no. 

 What? It's not. It's blizzard's game, they have all the rights and have the possibility to forbid every addon you could use. I am pretty sure they won't do it, because it is just too much effort, but let me have my little bubble.

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Why does winning mean so much that you can't face same decks in first week of expansion?

 Well it does not. But you see, take warrior for example. There are currently 443 different cards, that it can use. Resulting in the binomial coefficient of 443 over 30, (if you don't take duplicates!). Using a calculator, that is 34056950151353284252864705340925765947324035416 different possible decks. And u face only 1. I would like to see more than one composition of cards. Variety is fun.

 I understand, but like someone else wrote you, people are limited with dust, so they can only make few decks when the expansion starts, and they have already seen streamers play some decks and learned to pilot them by watching the streamers, so it's safest for them to craft those decks.

and maybe people are missing a card or two from that netdeck, or want to tech up against something so they change 2-3 cards in the deck, are they still all running the same deck? 

and what is an unique deck that they should run - some meme decks, or yet undiscovered synergies?

we also have now autocomplete the deck from hs

 But i question you my man, if people are short on dust, why would you EVER craft a deck day one? When your dust is really limited, i would definately wait for a deck i REALLY want to play and that performs well in the more settled meta. Also people have card's from the previous expansions, there are A LOT of cards that weren't good in the past and are almost forgotten, even if they could be good now.

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People don't care about winning. Dust is just not infinite. Give 100k dust to everyone, i'm sure no one will play the top meta deck and people will try funny deck with all the cards available. Unfortunately, dust is scarce and hard to collect, that's why you only craft a deck that can be played in the long run aka top tier decks.

Well that makes sense. 

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Why does winning mean so much that you can't face same decks in first week of expansion?

 Well it does not. But you see, take warrior for example. There are currently 443 different cards, that it can use. Resulting in the binomial coefficient of 443 over 30, (if you don't take duplicates!). Using a calculator, that is 34056950151353284252864705340925765947324035416 different possible decks. And u face only 1. I would like to see more than one composition of cards. Variety is fun.