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Pretty please, Blizzard? This would be the very best, and you can count it as my birthday present. Instant quality of life improvement. 

Quote from fuuka08 >>

Im Kaladin's fan. I come here everyday to read his salty posts 

 :) I hate when he changes his avatar picture because I accidentally read one or two of his posts before I notice. If he's anywhere in the comment string I usually skip it. I've already read it a dozen times before. I appreciate his enthusiasm, though. A real pillar of the community... A PILLAR OF SALT! 

Genn and Baku have a 3-4 person cheer squad on here... "Everything's fine! You're just salty! Your Genn and Baku logic's faulty!" Repeat x 1,000,000.

Do you guys have jobs? Are you Blizzard PR reps in disguise? :D

Wild: Turn 5 Voltron into Quest Mage concede. No Wargear or Menace, though, so just 16 to the face. Leave Mimiron alive at your peril, mortals!

Quote from MiguelCorazon >>

SHaman players in wild casual: fuck off. uninstall this game. HOpe Karma hits ur parents.

 Surely you mean Even Shaman players. Those guys can get fucked. Other Shamans should be fine.

If you don't understand why people don't like particular classes being overrepresented in matchmaking, then I congratulate you on being Blizzard's perfect toady...I mean "customer". Well done. 

Hunter is Brittany Spears, and its defenders are that wailing effeminate guy.

Fix your mascara and move on with your life. Brittany will be fine. 

Quote from beardfasse >>

Every hunter player needs to be sterilized. Letting them breed will have dire consequences for this planet. Zero imagination, zero contribution, zero dignity. In fact, they can't even be considered humans, they're mindless sheep.

 It's hilarious that you think that these guys are likely to breed. Everyone knows that only Shaman and Rogue mains get laid. 

I think Electra is better. Zentimo can be good, but is too situational. You shouldn't be building around a legendary in Shaman. Not enough draw.

Electra lets you do whatever you were already going to do, but moar!

Krag'wa is kind of in this category, too. Burn a few spells to gain an advantage, then get them back. Profit. This is the better Shaman legendary from RR. Still not critical, though  

Proposed title change:

"Why did you play Kingsbane Rogue?"

It's dead now, right? 

Quote from RavenSunHP >>

I don't really see the problem.

Define a deck "boring"? Pretty subjective, not an argument.

They are top tier decks because of their consistency, but ultimately their powerlevel is bound to synergy with the hero power: if that does not rise beyond insanity, those decks are kept in check.

Ultimately, all they need to do to fix the matter is finally fixing cards that were obviously broken even before Genn and Baku, such as Thing from Below, Quartermaster, Defile, etc.

But Wild has many more urgent problems right now...

 A deck is boring when every game feels the same. It's perfectly subjective. I don't see why that should matter.

My original post stated that the design is boring and lazy. "Here! Mash that hero power button more!" 

Quote from Lyra_Silvertongue >>

I'm already wondering if this is just another 'I lost to or dislike this archtype so I think it is a problem' thread as opposed to an actual logical 'This archtype is bad for the game and here are my points about why' type of thread.

 If that's all it was, I'd have gone to bitch in the salt thread. Perfectly willing to have a discussion. 

Quote from Lyra_Silvertongue >>

So let me get this straight. Since deck limitation themes don't produce crippled meme/lower tier decks that only work sometimes means Genn & Baku are problems since they have other ways of making the archtypes work? Are you serious?

Even with Reno decks they still had the weakness of only having a single copy of a particular card. Sure, Reno Mage or Reno lock could have more than one removal, but sometimes you needed that one specific piece of removal for a situation that wouldn't be satisfied with a different removal you drew (e.g. Blast Crystal vs Shadowbolt). 

Genn & Baku aren't problems because you still have to play around removal (such as the case of having to play around Collider in Odd Warrior). I mean, you get to not have to deal with Execute am I correct? You could be facing a control warrior with both Execute & Collider after all. 

"Deck limitation themes" are theoretically fine. In practice, the more reliable the gimmick, the less variety you see in the decks. Genn and Baku have a guaranteed gimmick, with the only real downside being that you need to include an under-statted minion in the deck. (Odd/even is not much of a sacrifice, especially in wild.) How many odd or even decks have surprised you with an unexpected card lately? They were novel for about five minutes and are now a big snooze. 

Reno decks have/had a much greater degree of variety, though we now only see warlocks. Games were usually interesting except the Raza crap.

I have no idea what you are trying to say in your last point (or perhaps just why it's significant). You always have to play around removal. Yes, G&B tell you what you won't need to face. Great. Wild has planty of alternatives to choose from.

These two suggest the emergence of permanent, high-power archetypes that damage variety. (Even shaman appears to be the main culprit for wild, at the moment.) Hopefully they will become irrelevant or people will tire of them, but I don't see that happening any time soon. 

I'm pretty sure that these two cards were a massive miscalculation by the design team. The deck construction restrictions are no big deal, especially in wild, and this shit will only get worse.

There are other decks that I hate running into in matchmaking even more than these (get fucked, Kingsbane and mill players), but I expect that odd and even will have a massive negative effect on class and deck diversity. Boring, lazy, garbage design...

Any ray of light on the horizon? Will Blizzard print hero power or odd/even hate? 

Quote from Prudence94 >>

To all those playing Kingsbane in Casual I hope all you face are tryhards playing hyper Aggro that will kill you before you can even draw that abomination of a card... 

 I made a special mage deck for when I see a lot of them. Freeze and weapon hate out the wazoo, plus a couple of Geists in case they still had some hope by turn 6. Does alright against those stupid pirate warrior cunts, too.

Get the fuck out of casual, shitheel!

Holy hell! I just played against a fellow shaman who played the Zen man and Unstable Evolution. I almost fell asleep... I guess the developers learned nothing from the Shudderwock debacle. I hope that they sort this out. (Hahahaha!) 

It warms my heart thinking that some of the jerkoffs I quit on get as pissy as the OP. 

If you play a Tier 1 deck in casual and I'm getting kind of bored or maybe I just have something better to do right then, I'll leave your ass to play with the rope for a bit. (I bet you're used to playing with "the rope", aren't you?)

I don't do this on ladder or if you're playing an interesting deck.