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Honestly, it's well known Zephrys considers the board state at the time of playing. As far as Zephrys was concerned, the rat was unable to attack because you'd already attacked. It's a missplay.

 Maybe it was i misplay, but I would argue it is not an obvious curiosity. But this is not a complain thread, I still think Zephrys is a Great card.

Just thought I would share a thing you have to consider when you play him

I did consider it being why and it is definitely possible. But in theory it shouldn’t stop Zephrys, meaning it should still have seen it.

but yeah maybe zephrys don’t even “see” minions that have attacked.

I did win off that pyroblast 2 rounds later though

I just played a game of Highlander Hunter vs Quest druid.

At one point Zephrys could have offered me lethal but didn’t.

situation was him at 30, i have a ysera, rat and lynx on board (no taunts). Round before ysera gave me the 5/5 buff.

So i hit him for 11 with rat, 1 with lynx, 4 with ysera, kill command for 5 leaving him 9. 
Then I play Zephrys expecting windfury (5 mana left) as it would be lethal with rat.

but I was offered si:7, swipe and pyroblast.

I maybe should have put myself at less mana but can’t remember if it was possible, but Zeprhys is designed to value lethal above anything so 2 mana windfury should have been the offer.

My guess is it maybe didn’t recognize the ysera buff while evaluating windfury.

Hi there!

Could I ask why you don’t have frizz in here? 😊

Hi GusBus776,

Would you mind sharing the decklist? That sounds interesting!

Yeah I don’t get the assumptions either but let us disprove them instead of blindly flame.

Do I have a bad collection? Well started in june but have a highlander hunter, face hunter, gala warrior, gala rogue all tier 2 or better I think.

My winrate vs priest is just about 50 %. So i definitely lose some but I also win some and I don’t think the priest enjoys losing to my 24 damage burst.

Am I a noob? Well I am in legend for second consecutive month.

Do I hate resurrect priest? Absolutely!

It is not the strength of the deck, it is the playstyle. It is just bad design that you don’t get punished for not playing stuff on the board for many turns. The other player can’t really attack face for the priest will boardclear and then heal and is now closer to winning compared to the one actually playing the game.

Face hunter is boring but the feck plays the game quite intensely from turn 1 to finish.

Judge for yourself but I just don’t think a deck that plays the way resurrect priest does should exist

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Why do people in this/these threads keep saying “only viable deck the last few expansions”?

I mean leave the discussion if you are a liar.
Combo priest was nr. 1 deck in the pure SOU meta from day 1. Quest shaman and druid was strong but a priest deck was the strongest. This was also allover in grandmasters.

Doom in the tomb saw the rise of shaman to the top but priest was still strong with n’zoth.

so in short the last time priest was strong.. was the day before DoD dropped. Literally less than 40 days ago.

I don’t know when it was strong before SOU but it was indisputably very strong very recently so no it does not deserve ress priest due to lack of power recently

Doom in the Tomb was not an expansion therefore the statement about Priest being utter shit in past expansions is a completely valid statement. Sure, you could argue the meaning of "viable" but within the context of Quest Resurrect Priest in the current meta that definition applies to it being within a Tier 1 & 2 power level.  So the last time Priest had strong impact in the meta was Kobolds & Catacombs and Knights of the Frozen Throne. Tournament decks aren't the same as Constructed Metagame as people use different decks and tech options compared to competitive ladder.

List of Metas that Priest was utter shit:

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-139/

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-132/

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-126/

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-114/

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-101/

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-88/

List of Metas that Priest had a Tier 1 or 2 Deck:

Kobolds & Catacombs: https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-73/

Knights of the Frozen Throne: https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-59/

 

 

I don't know if you even looked at 139, since Priest is at the top of Tier 2. But if that's not good enough for you, feel free to check out the other reports of that time.

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-145/

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-142/

https://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-138/

There, Combo Priest being listed not only as a Tier 1 deck but temporarily even listed as the deck with the highest power score, the (arguably) best deck in Standard. If you look for it, you'll even find people (including some Tweet from Dean Ayala) about whether Priest should get nerfed. There was a lot of debate about Divine Spirit. You can say it wasn't the most popular one, which certainly is important for "having an impact", but don't act like it doesn't count for whatever reason. It's not like a control-oriented Priest build is the only one that matters.

Why say that Priest was terrible in all the recent expansions, listing all the reports where it was bad, but leaving out the ones where the class was at the top because of "technically"? I mean, what do you even try to argue for? 

 

I never said Priest has been terrible in all recent expansions. The list I selected was the first report of each expansion to illustrate that more often that not; Priest hasn't been in a great spot over the date range I listed. Sure, there are some instances where it had viable decks but not at the power level since Kobolds & Catacombs and Knights of the Frozen Throne.  <--- P.S. That's acknowledging Priest was at the top.

Why should any of this matter? Well it's to put things in perspective about Quest Resurrect Priest and all the complaining about it.  There will be new cards coming into the meta soon that will potentially change the metagame anyways so let Priest have a deck that is relevant for a weeks.  There are many tech options and cards that counter the strategy by diluting their res pool and decks that can out-value it.  Instead of complaining about the deck (as their are multiple topics about this).. maybe, just maybe learn to play a deck that can counter it.  And if you are an aggro player get over the fact the deck was created to counter your strategy. 

 I don’t get your argument. I stated priest was nr. 1 in the SOU meta which endef the day before DoD. Yes half of that expansion it was ‘t nr. 1 due to doom in the tomb. But for the other half it literally was the best deck.

It makes no sense what you are arguing. My point is that just last expansion priest was the strongest deck and that is correct. I don’t speak of anything before that because I don’t know or care, I didn’t start playing before june.

So I still say. Anyone saying it’s been a long time since they last were strong.. well I guess a long time is more 30-40 days.

but amusingly.. almost no priest on ladder in my games right now

Why do people in this/these threads keep saying “only viable deck the last few expansions”?

I mean leave the discussion if you are a liar.
Combo priest was nr. 1 deck in the pure SOU meta from day 1. Quest shaman and druid was strong but a priest deck was the strongest. This was also allover in grandmasters.

Doom in the tomb saw the rise of shaman to the top but priest was still strong with n’zoth.

so in short the last time priest was strong.. was the day before DoD dropped. Literally less than 40 days ago.

I don’t know when it was strong before SOU but it was indisputably very strong very recently so no it does not deserve ress priest due to lack of power recently

I am happy to see these buff as this symbolize a shift towards more balance in general and away from the hell that was last expansion.

I am of course a bit concerned about my Galakrond Warrior, haven't spent a lot on the game and if it drops from meta I am screwed.
But in general this puts an unpleasant idea in my head..
They are soon releasing more cards and it makes little sense to balance before then.. unless they already know these cards will not help the meta. This basically means that we can feel pretty sure these new cards have not shown to make the hero classes even with the Galakrond classes in playtest and that saddens me as I was hoping Hunter, Mage and Paladin in general would challenge the top decks. I don't know how they would of course, Highlander cards would just push rogue to the top if they are not class specific.

If you would follow my logic (that definitely could be proven wrong) then we have a risk of something even worse. If neither the balance patch nor adventure buffs the hero classes and MOST top decks are nerfed.. that would leave Quest Resurrect Priest on top of the pile and we really don't want that.

Lol the idiot calling OP cringe. It was a nicely worded thread. Yes he complains but he uses arguments and valid ones at that. Nobody asked for a troll.

I second the unfun part. Powerful deathrattles combined with resurrection AND reborn is cancerous gameplay. Either stop the deathrattles or the reborn effect as some deathrattles are just too powerful to get off that many copies of.

it is too hard winning on board against a horde of infiltrators. Winning on board should always be viable with counters such as twisting nether, brawl, consecration, plague of death, frost nova. But nothing sticks while infiltrators swarm the board with reborn while waterbearers heal the priest and Muerte replenishes broken deathrattles non stop

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I agree. The most popular Warrior build right now can use this card after Galakrond for a combo that does at least 28 damage in face damage in a single turn (I think.)   I hate losing to nonsense like that. You can literally out play your opponent the entire game and still lose because you can't play around some insane combo.

The RnG required to pull that off is extremely unlikely and borderline impossible to do with anything resembling consistency.
You would have to gamble heavily on not drawing Leeroy in the first half of the game (or more), then trying to hit him out of the many other minions when you play Galakrond.
Being able to God-Draw a massive combo on such a rarity is really not a big deal in a game like this.

 While you are right that the 24 damage plus 3/4 leeroy combo is unlikely you are often fairly happy with the 16 damage combo for 8 mana.

It was consistent enough to carry me to legend finishing well over 50 % games with leeroy combo

I feel for you OP. I don’t agree and I do play leeroy myself but I definitely understand you.

I don’t think leeroy is unfun to play against and there are some counters. Hunter would deal with it using freeze trap, explosive trap (doesn’t work if he is galakrond buffed), misdirection or snipe. Mage can do it with vaporize. I think paladin has a secret counter too. And then of course there is taunts.

But for sure leeroy is everywhere right now and not all decks have good counters and I can understand how some may find it aggravating. So I wish you all the best but would personally change other more inherently toxic things

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@Hooghout: this version of priest really doesn’t take much skill. You rely on a very simple gameplan with very few minions. I haven’t played it but I am sure even I could win some games with it and I only played a lot of Hunter

 True, HS doesn't need much skill. The skill floor is too low imo. But relative to mentioned two main win conditions priest takes skill to master and to play. But in general you are right. 

I would say that my highlander hunter of last expansion took some skill. Having less consistency and card draw requires you to really consider what minions to play and how to trade

@MordregOG: You have some very good insights.

I did not know people actually enjoyed dr boom mirrors, they did look exceptionally boring to me.

But of course we each have our own understanding of toxic. That is why I state mine when I discuss it so that people can judge for themselves how it links to my argumentation.

In here i argued that the style where priest does not actively play the game for a significant number of turns can be perceived as bad gameplay and indeed I think it is.

It just doesn’t feel good playing your hand knowing that if you hit the priest he heals and if you wait he will draw answers. I don’t think that is how a good fun game should work. Games should be fun and winnable by both players.

e.g playing highlander hunter vs combo priest was fun. The match up was swingy but both players were able to draw well and make plays and winrate was pretty even. That is good and fun.

I don’t hate priest in general. But I do hate this deck and when n’zoth was in standard. Combo priest was cool and I really enjoy the few times I encounter it still.

I would like the game to be a bit more centered on board and curve and less on combos/mana cheating. I think that also improves skill and reduces the amount of game lost solely to the match up. But maybe people just enjoy getting their combos off and the flashiness of it too much for blizzard to go away from it