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Quote from Xauriel >>

I thought about this very often but I do Play duels so it's a different thing.

Here is what I did after my comeback. I hand picked cards, one by one, making sure I only disenchant goldens when I had the basic ones and also all cards that are definitly trash, including useless legendary.

This gave me a truckload of dust and a super quick comeback without the feeling of deleting my whole colection. 

 

 This is pretty much what I started doing. I did used to dust everything and I have regretted that a bit. I started playing wild last month (having previously been absolutely sure I never, ever would) and was glad I'd changed my approach. I'd kept cards like zilliax and others, clearly good cards. Anything fringe or for a deck/archetype I just don't enjoy, such as some old legendary that only really fits in like token druid, for example, then I dusted those. 

I've actually found wild to be a ton of fun and kind of evidence that a lot of absolute nonsense gets spouted on places like this, by people who seem more interested in spreading discontent about the game than anything else. From what I'd heard, wild was a broken mess the devs don't care about it, it has stupid decks and combos etc etc. I've actually found it really quite diverse much, much more so than standard. I don't cover up against the really string 'broken' decks all that often and even when I do, I've been able to get a good amount of wins against them, once I know what they are about. I used highlander mage, espionage rogue and a sky temple quest mage and hit diamond 2 without any real effort.

I would personally recommend saving the good wild cards at least. They are so inefficient from a cost perspective to craft that unless you absolutely need the dust, just leave them. Of course, if you want a specific card or deck and have no dust, you probably may as well. I'd just only do it as and when it was really needed. Don't dust cards just to sit on dust. 

Perfect post for the salt thread.... Why do people refuse to use that? It's there for a reason.... 

Quote from Phoesias >>

They don’t care, it’s a fact 

Easy way to spot the child in a conversation.

To say they don't care seems lazy to be quite honest. They obviously do care, even if only to make money through increased engagement, they care about the state of the game.

Just be objective, highlight why the meta isn't particularly enjoyable for you at this time. I happen to agree, I don't really enjoy standard at the moment and feel an injection of cards is very much needed. Part of this is typical, following a rotation, I generally get a bit bored of the meta much quicker than with the other 2 expansions in a year.

As I said, the lazy accusations of them not caring don't really do anything to further discussion on why the meta is less enjoyable and also bear in mind that whether the meta is enjoyable or not is subjective, some people are very happy with it. I think I've seen every meta described as 'the worst' and usually with the same 'been a player since beta'. 

Hysterical, emotional jibes at the devs are pretty much never particularly interesting or convincing and turns a potentially constructive conversation into a salt thread. 

Good idea, I've repeatedly suggested this to those complaining about not being able to use their own decks on ladder.

It's obviously a first attempt and I'm sure you'll learn and tweak things but go for it! Even try Reddit or Facebook, maybe you could even setup a sub reddit or Facebook group and grow a bit of a community. Obviously that's more down the line but I think a lot of people would enjoy it.

Not really my bag but I'm glad to see someone doing something positive and pro active instead of just complaining, good for you.

What might be a good idea is to gather a handful of interested people on here first and work out an agreed format/bans list. I definitely think there's a clear demand for a community who play off meta decks with like minded people. If you get it going, the site might even be able to sticky or add a post around it. 

Quote from Sherman1986 >>

The main reason is because there aren't many good casual multiplayer games out there, with proper support and a huge playerbase like Hearthstone. Not too hard to figure out, to be honest.

 There are loads of multiplayer games you can play casually? Absolutely loads. 

Like, make a thread and ask just how many decks people think they've played over the last 2 years, I'd be stunned if anybody replied with "one". I don't actually think you genuinely believe large parts of the player base do that. 

Maybe next time, post in the salt thread, that's where your op belongs. It isn't trying to get genuine discussion going, it's not an honest question, you haven't considered anybody else's pov, it's not a constructive thread. It's a tantrum and there's a thread for the people who need to tantrum already. 

Quote from happyday >>

I do understand that everyone can enjoy the game as they want. The question that I asked is how can someone enjoy the game while only playing 1 single deck for the past couple of years with no huge changes? How dumb can you be not to understand this? How much more do I have to write for people to stop twisting my words? Insulting, demeaning, patronizing how much up your own ass can you be.

I made this thread to hear why people play the exact same deck and why they enjoy that style, yet I only heard a couple of people actually answer like that and to them I am really thankful. But most of the retards became defendant of the whole netdecking idea and started saying that home brewers are arrogant and dumb.

 No, you're now being dishonest and back tracking slightly because you've been called out on your bullshit. Your op cried repeatedly about netdecking without the caveat that it was the only deck a person played. 

" However, as more and more websites relating to HS sprouted and netdecking became more relevant, the huge aspect of experimenting and figuring stuff out on your own is completely dead"

"Can someone please answer me - "Is it fun to just copy decks from a website?", "Is it fun not to put any thought in the cards that are in *your* deck?"

You then do ask the question but have changed it in your post above to 'years', in your op you reference people playing a single deck for a year. I no nobody who does this, seems a dishonest question which you've asked to try and ram home your point. How many people do what you're saying? Every single person I've seen, played with, watched on stream etc plays more than one deck in a year. 

Your main complaint is people not creating and experimenting with their own decks. You repeatedly cry about netdecking without referencing the 'one deck for one year' thing - I doubt many, if any people actually do that, it's just a strawman thrown in to try and add weight to your point.

Look, don't go on about 'dumb' you clearly aren't very bright and as I've said, evidently lack the emotional intelligence to consider other perspectives. Your op is aggressive and whiny. You probably could have had a constructive discussion but the wording of your op suggests that's not what you wanted. You wanted to rant and whine. 

Quote from happyday >>

Okay, honestly I find it really surprising how many people are just throwing insults and other such stuff here.

Only shows how great the game and the community is now if anything.

And for those who actually answered and described their thoughts without insulting, trash talking or saying "GET GUD". Thank you.

Now, there are some who clearly either didn't read everything or just didn't care to think about what I wrote. So I'll reinterpret what I have written before.

For more than years you've been going to the same exact food joint. Ordering the exact same food. Rarely changing the drink or the sides to go along with it. Maybe once in a blue moon you try something different. But it takes longer to be served, costs a little bit more or you have to eat it in a specific way, which is harder. And ultimately because of those reasons you continue to eat the same dish. Now the conclusion. How is eating the exact same food healthy and not sickening?  

Now you get invited to someones home and they make their own dish and serve it to you. And you say it's garbage and that they are a terrible cook. While bragging about having way better food and saying to take culinary classes to the other person. While not knowing how to even crack an egg for an omelett (to drastic of a comparison, but considering what other people compared in this thread it will suffice). What would you call such a person?

And for those of you who said that deck building is a small part of the tcg... Are cooking skills a small part of life also?

Basically, there are people who don't know how to cook but want to enjoy quality food. While at the same time there are people that want to make their own dishes as good as possible. The problem is that a lot of the time the people that only want quality food have a higher opinion about themselves and are just claiming to be better *cooks* because they eat better food. And sure there are such people on the opposite side. However, in this thread the majority of negativity came from the *quality* people. The funniest part is that they think that the deck builders are the snobby and rude ones, when actually it's the opposite. And I invite you to reread the thread to make sure. The only time that I made any sort of insult is when I called people who play tier 1 decks in casual clowns. 

That's basically what I've read in this thread. 

 You've missed the point entirely. You're broadly applying your subjective opinion on what's makes something fun or what constitutes 'fun' and applying it to other people. 

Your OP was pretty aggressive and judgemental, as well as patronising with your underlining of specific sentences, as if people would have a hard time understanding that they were important to your point.

Re-read it back and consider it from the perspective of the people you're aiming at it. You acted like a bit I'd a dick and so you got responded to in kind.

People are sick of the people who try to belittle 'net decking', you aren't the first butt hurt 'home brewer' to make some laughable claim of playing the game 'the right way' - the games developers disagree with you on that by the way. This is the only card game I've properly played and this incessant whinging from a minority of people about 'net decking' is bizarre to me. Pretty much anything and everything that has tactics or synergies or builds or decks in it, is going to have a community of people sharing the best/most effective. Game guides and walkthroughs have existed for decades. Not everyone wants to spend hours doing a part of the game they find unenjoyable. 

You like to play the game a specific way and that's totally fine but it isn't *the* way to play it and it isn't superior or inferior, it's just how you choose to play it. People typically don't like being dictated to, so when you do that, you're going to get a prickly reaction.

You still don't seem to be grasping why people disagree with you. Your food analogy is poor for so many reasons. You appear to lack the emoitional intelligence to consider other perspectives, I'd encourage you to 'steelman' any views you disagree with. Just spend 5 minutes and think of the best possible reasons for that point of view.

And yes, the deck building in the sense you're talking about is just a small part. It's completely optional in fact, hence why deck codes are in the game.

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Quote from JoeByeDon >>

Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums. 

Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.

 The thing I wish people would understand is this: the "I want to win games by any means necessary" people aren't some sort of emotionless robot. There's people for whom trying to maximize winrate at all costs is the fun of the game. They're not sat there grinding Face Hunter for four hours a day for an entire season and miserable about it. The same way tinkerers enjoy trying to find a way to OTK their opponent with Oil Rig Ambushers or whatever and find the idea of playing Face Hunter boring, power players enjoy playing the best deck and squeezing every single percentage point and find spending time perfecting Oil Rig Ambusher OTK Rogue boring. People aren't sacrificing their own fun to try to win - these are people just like you trying to have as much fun playing a videogame as they can, they're not weird robots who are willingly avoiding fun in their free time to make the ladder a worse place for you. I find this perception of "there's people who want to have fun, and then there's people who want to win" really bizarre and also really annoying. It's like somehow the way of playing the game that the game's structure actively disincentivizes - playing with sub-optimal decks when the game pushes you to maximize your winrate - is seen as the "correct" way by a lot of people. It's not, and neither is trying to win at all costs. Let people play the way they want, and don't expect people to change the way they play just so you can play the way you want.

 I agree and the reason I find it annoying is because it just shows such a lack of actual consideration of what it is they are talking about. They've not considered it at all and it's an attitude of 'if it's not done my way then its bad' which is an attitude I can't tolerate, it's ignorant and that ignorance probably then manifests in other forms with that same person and they don't realise that either, because they are so self centered. I can't respect that type of thinking, it's a level of emotional intelligence I expect from primary school kids. 

Quote from JoeByeDon >>

Moral of the story is: The “I need to win games of Hearthstone by any means necessary” crowd, will never agree with or understand the “I play the game for fun & nothing more” crowd. It’s like this in every game. There are people who play the game for entertainment, people who treat it like they’re qualifying for the Olympics, & the rest are somewhere in between & probably never post on these forums. 

Most of these discussions all seem to follow the same path of people simply sharing their opinions, followed by unnecessary personal attacks by anyone who doesn’t agree. So, in other words, there’s no real discussion to be had here. Everyone will feel how they feel & no amount of abusive ad hominems is going to change that.

 What the latter crowd don't seem to get though is that the former crowd are having fun. There aren't two camps of people, those who have fun and those who don't, people find fun in different ways. 

I enjoy hearthstone for the mechanics and the thinking of the gameplay. I have fun with a variety of decks with a variety of win rates.

What the OP is suggesting is that you can't be having fun unless you're making your own deck and only if that deck is different.

If someone builds their own deck from scratch, for fun, and they enjoy it and that deck turns out to be 29 cards the same as a tier 1 deck, should that person stop playing it? Not everybody finds deck building enjoyable, that's what the 'homebrew' crowd don't seem to understand at all. They enjoy it, fine. Loads and loads of people don't though. They find making a bad deck and spending hours trying to tweak it into a good deck unenjoyable.

So when you say 'some people are playing for fun' it's actually MOST people are playing for fun. Sure some people will be basically acting like a bot, just to grind something out and would actively say they aren't having fun but a majority of players climbing ladder are trying to do so effectively, whilst having fun. The anti deck sharing crowd can't seem to grasp that though. Deck building is clearly a bit of a niche hobby, so when they try to take some weird sort of moral high ground and announce that others are 'not playing the game properly' or whatever, it just sounds ridiculous.

Crease a sub reddit or mini community on here that people cna join and that has specific rules such as card or class bans, homebrew rules etc and that community can grow and play against each other, make friends with like minded people etc and have constant whacky 'fun' games. There's absolutely nothing stopping that but I don't think I've ever seen it even attempted? 

That's a far better way of playing the game for fun than trying to enforce that way of playing on the game's main competitive mode. But I suspect those people don't want to do that, because they are bothered about winning. They want to have their cake and eat it. 

Quote from Amaranthus >>

I think Ogremancer is the king of the "meta counter" cards right now. He's one of the few cards I'm afraid of playing Token Druid (besides Counterspell and Oh My Yogg!) and I guess he's also quite frightening for Spell Mage and some of the other decks as well. It is a spell-heavy meta after all, so probably everything that counters spells is good.

 This is a great shout and it's a really good design in that it's tough to play around but not unfair and isn't completely useless against a non spell specific deck, something which utilises spells but isn't just centered around them. 

As long as you think making decks that don't happen to have been made by many others is 'the' way to play, you're just going to continue winding yourself up.

The problem you seem to have is that you don't seem to grasp that the way YOU enjoy the game is kot the same way that others enjoy it. So if you don't have the emotional intelligence to consider why other people don't enjoy making decks with the purpose of them being unique, you're again going to continue to wind yourself up.

The game designers themselves include a feature that allows you to import deck codes. So by design they want people to share and use decks or at the very least, enable it. If they simply enable it then it leads me to suspect that its because the majority of people want that feature. Which puts you in the minority.

If you have tons of time to sit and tweak decks Iver the course of hours, sound. Not everyone does, I don't enjoy deck building, it's not a part of the game I find interesting or fun. I also have things like a family, friends, social and work commitments, I don't have hours to pour over whether one card needs changing out or not.

You're incorrectly conflating deck building and playing the game. I see an expansion reveal and I know the types of decks and cards I want to try out. I could spend a week messing about, getting annoyed because I'm not a very good deck builder, before I naturally change my deck to something more effective or I can see the ideas that much better deck builders have and I get to use the cards I want to play with.

You need to accept that your way is not 'the' way. Clearly the majority of players and the developers themselves don't agree with you.

I'll tell you what would happen if you remove the ability to share and import decks.....

First, you lose a bunch of players. There are tons of reasons people don't play the way you do, they may be free to play and just can't afford to tweak and trial, they may kot enjoy it etc etc etc. So remove this feature and you likely lose a chunk of players. Then those left will naturally end up where we are now anyway. When I started playing the game, I had absolutely no clue what I was doing. I got wrecked by a DK warlock deck. Right I thought, I'll make that! So I scrambled together what I could and make a control lock deck. I played a while, encountered plenty of mirrors and their decks were simply superior. Ahhhh, I thought, I shouldn't have THAT card, that last person had a different one and that makes a ton of sense. I'm the end, I ended up with basically a netdecked control lock. I had no idea what 'netdecking' was (cringe term btw), I had just started playing the game and was adapting to getting rolled over by more refined decks. Then as I played more and more I looked hearthstone up online, found forums and sites etc and came to realise there were tons of deck ideas out there that I could try. Far better way to play the game, from my perspective.

Stop treating the way you choose to play ad the only acceptable way. You're creating this rule yourself and then getting frustrated that others don't follow it, which is ridiculous.

'homebrew' is just code for 'shit deck' or 'less than optimal deck' but little nerds love using it to try and claim some sort of weird highground. Not everyone can live in a card game man, some of us have shit to do.

Nice one. Are you going to dust it and get the legendary you want, or hang on to it and keep trying with packs? 

Quote from Kurgo >>

Quote from IDProG123 >>

Blizzard clearly didn't playtest their balance changes.

They didn't play the game, either.

They literally said that they liked this meta, even though this meta is one of the most hated meta in the history of Hearthstone.

 Good gracious lad, are you ok? lol

I'm fairly certain they do playtest (how much or how well is another matter entirely, and none of us has any knowledge on that anyway) and if you visit twitter you'll see members of the team talking about the games they play (Cora definitely and iksar who has been playing a ton of games in wild the past month or so).

I must have missed when they literally said "we like the meta" but to call this meta the most hated in the history of hearthstone...either you started playing in April or you have the memory of a goldfish mate. I'm in charge? Jade? Shotgun priest? Claws that catch? None will survive? 

I will also kindly remind you that extraordinary claims must be backed up by extraordinary evidence. So if you want to claim that team 5 doesn't playtest changes and team members don't play the game, you kind of need to bring something that backs that up if you want to be taken seriously. Not that I think you wanted to be taken seriously to begin with, but there you go.

 They are too stupid to back up claims. These sorts of people like their little online echo Chambers which are filled with people who are similarly ignorant and lack any sort of critical thinking. They are used to just asserting things which engage an emotional response and these tend to be the least considered and rational types of responses but they feel good/natural. So it's just a cycle or stupid people making stupid claims and because they are now so used to people agreeing with them, they get really aggressive and upset if someone points out the flaws in their logic. I see it a lot with theists, flat earthers, general conspiracy theorists. In person these people are really easy to untangle, online though they can cherry pick who they engage with and there's just no getting through to them. 

I'm genuinely fascinated to see how these people operate in day to day life, what job they have etc.

Also, hyperbole is way, way too common these days. All too often people go way over the top in what they are saying that even if I agree with the root of what they are saying, I have to call bullshit on the bells and whistles that go along with it. They can't comprehend that so immediately straw man you and say you're taking a position you aren't, such as being a 'fanboy'. It's such a ridiculous thing to say, that a dev team don't bother play testing, I can't believe they actually mean what they are saying, they are just too intellectually challenged to make an actual point, so resort to throwaway insults instead. These people are not only not very bright but they are actively dishonest as well. There's just very little, if any at all, way to reason with them.