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Quote from Unforgiven_Joker »

Yeah, but the key here is whether those are transformations, buffs or tokens, or if you can get the Druid of the Claw unbuffed as a 4/4, cuz a key part in this question is that Druid of the Claw haven't been a beast so far (it's new in the GvG patch), whereas the real question is if he will get summoned as a 4/4 neutral without any "choose one" only, or if 4/4 charge and 4/6 taunt are viable, or if all 3 variations are possible. Cuz after all, he is a beast, and Webspinner will summon a random beast card.

Nope. Only the transformed versions are Beasts. And they're not collectible. This has been confirmed by Bliz, and you can also look at Druid of the Fang to see a similar mechanic.

Quote from ambershee »

... any card that is superior to another wants to have some kind of drawback to offset that superiority).

So you're saying any 3 mana card that is better than Magma Rager should have a drawback so it's not as strong as Magma Rager? What a ridiculous argument. Cards should have varying power levels, not just so that Arena actually functions but also for constructed so Blizzard can actually, y'know, make money. This game isn't a charity project.

Quote from Binori »

They constantly add super powers into Warlock and Hunter and like to see their domination in the game because these both classes are cheap. A lot of F2P gamers use them and there is a community grow. And after some time F2P warlocks zoo and huntards will like a game so much they will start to spend money on game like control Priests, Palladins, Warriors etc.

So you're saying that Blizzard is making the cheapest decks the strongest so that people will pay even more money to play weaker decks? What a preposterous notion. Even if I agreed (as you imply) that control Warrior/Priest were weaker (which I don't) the majority of people will continue to play the strongest decks.

Quote from FullasGames »

Control Huner, all about clearing the board and chipping away at your opponent each turn.

If chipping away each turn was so important in control Hunter, nobody will play Steamweedle Sniper when hes released... And I doubt that. Having something to do each turn is certainly nice, but in a control deck I think 2 damage to your opponent each turn is worse than 2 armour... And Armour Up! is considered one of the weakest Hero powers...

Quote from tictactucroc »

Loatheb is an auto-include in every meta, because obviously every meta will have spells. If sylvanas wasn't nerfed to 6 mana, she'd be an auto include in every deck from every meta too, so no she wasn't auto-include due to the meta, but due to 5 mana period.

Troggzor will be an auto-include in every meta for control decks too.

 In a minion-heavy meta Loatheb is by no means useless, but is definitely underwhelming due to his poor stats for his cost. Sylvanas was still an autoinclude for some time after her nerf, because the meta was minion-heavy. If (as I expect) the meta after GvG become minion heavy, Sylvanas will become an autoinclude. Her effect is so much stronger than Loatheb's - it's essentially destroy a random enemy minion (Deadly shot is 3 mana), then summon it for yourself at no cost, for about 1.5 mana on top of a Chillwind Yeti (0.5 mana on the Yeti for +1 attack). Yes, Loatheb's effect is also cheap (0.5 mana make your opponent's spells cost 5 more), but it's not a tempo swing like Sylvanas going off is.

Perhaps they will nerf him, perhaps not, but he's by no means as OP as Sylvanas was at 5 mana.

Quote from lionoffrost »

I absolutely agree that Cobra Shot is extremely weak. However, simply adding the mana costs of multiple cards is not a reliable way to determine the value. The reason being that on the one hand, needing to spend two cards means that you... well... need to spend two cards, emptying your hand faster, requiring more draw etc.

On the other hand, having the flexibility of playing the parts of the effect separately is a benefit, since you can spend your mana more efficiently, trigger more effects etc.

• Silence is zero mana, but obviously Ironbeak Owl and Spellbreaker have low stats for their mana cost because of the value of a silence effect.
• Similarly, Inner Rage is free, but Cruel Taskmaster is clearly much better than a vanilla 2/2.

In fact, a much easier analogy to see how worthless Cobra Shot is, is to look at Fireball and ask yourself how often you prefer cobra's 3/3 distribution to fireballs focused 6, or Multi-Shot's distribution, then realize you're paying an extra mana for cobra shot.

Quote from matpro99 »

...it's a thing they've added to prevent people from using too much time while multitasking. Read above...

It's a conspiracy to dissuade people from multitasking into 85-second turns while playing Hearthstone!

Loatheb is an auto-include in the current meta. Let's:

a) Wait and see how the meta changes when GvG is released

b) Keep in mind that many other cards have at times been auto-includes (BGH, Sylvanas etc.), but this was due to the meta, not because the card was OP, like pre-nerf Nat or Tink.

Hmm... So Darkbomb is 2 mana and Sinister Strike is 1 mana... Card "should" be priced at 3 mana. That said, if every card printed was value, then the game would crumble. Bad cards are necessary to keep the F2P model working...

Quote from FillOrFeedNA »

Say your greetings, then squelch your opponent. It makes the match better for both of you.

Really? I know it helps the opponent a bit, but if I make a misplay I can't help but say "Oops", or I get a really lucky draw and fell honour-bound to apologise.

7 attack makes this card a very poor substitute for the 8-mana slot which would otherwise be filled with Legendaries like Rag... I know it's a common and costs only 40 dust but still...

I guess some people have to learn the hard way that putting your opponent at 1 health isn't always a sure-fire route to victory...

Not really, Thoughtsteal is targeted randomly and you get two cards. With this version of Recycle you'd pay extra for the privilege of removing a minion from play but also getting to choose the target.

Random thought. Would Recycle be too powerful if it shuffled the target into your own deck?

Most things you'd want to use this on would be BGH'd or Black Knighted... Maybe this card was designed for the specific purpose of removing an unbuffed Savannah Highmane..?