This is incorrect. Arena tools are not "automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game" and deck tracking tools are approved as they do not give you an edge you could not perform by hand. The "can it be done with pencil and paper" standard has been there since deck tracking tools existed. It's true that bots don't prevent you from obtaining items (except....they kind of do, in that they force you to play a certain deck or deck style in order to get your win and thus 10g). These bots are budget versions of aggressive token decks. Their existence at low MMR means you are forced into playing a stronger or control style deck in order to get your wins and have a better MMR; conceding or playing your greedy homebrew deck just keeps your MMR low and facing more bots. "Taking a free win" is not why I play casual. "Making the game easier" is not why I play casual. But interesting that in your claim to not be defending bots.....these two reasons are EXACTLY why people make bots - making the game easier and getting free/effortless wins.This is both correct and slightly incorrect.Quote from iWatchUSleep >>But those bots aren't playing anything that's against the TOS. They're not limiting people in what they can play and not. Not in any different way than people do at least. To any other player, they're just another opponent.Bots are against the TOS. People can play whatever they want within the TOS. I never said that meta decks shouldn't be allowed.Quote from iWatchUSleep >>Regarding point two and three... If people, or bots in this case, are free to play whatever they want. Why are they then, not free to play whatever they want (meta decks)?I don't know why this bothers so many people unless they're losing to them.
- Bots are against the TOS
- Casual is a mode where you should be free to play whatever you want
- The existence of these bots at a certain MMR means you cannot just play whatever you want, you instead are forced to play something that beats them AND play the games to completion.
- These bots are effectively budget versions of aggro token decks. considering that most people probably play casual to play greedy homebrew decks, it's pretty obvious why a lot of us don't like queueing into them in casual.
First of all, bots (specifically) are considered (in the ToS) as a form of cheating:ref: https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/fba4d00f-c7e4-4883-b8b9-1b4500a402ea/blizzard-end-user-license-agreement
Cheating: Create, use, offer, promote, advertise, make available and/or distribute the following or assist therein
- bots; i.e. any code and/or software, not expressly authorized by Blizzard, that allows the automated control of a Game, or any other feature of the Platform, e.g. the automated control of a character in a Game;
However, botting in Hearthstone is not quite the same as botting in games like WoW or Runescape.
In those games, the bots detrimentally affect another person's gameplay which isn't the case in Hearthstone. (You wouldn't even know it was a bot if not for the odd username; otherwise you would just think it was a bad player, enjoy the feeling of superiority when you win and move on). In these other games, however, bots prevent players getting access to in game resources, which directly prevents other players from progressing. That's the difference. Where the big problem lies (in terms of legality) is the selling of an account (which is what the purpose of the bot is for).
The only possible contingency for a grey area in claiming whether a bot in Hearthstone is against the ToS or not is the usage of 3rd party software to enhance the game. But if you are willing to concede this, then you would also have to include any kind of deck tracking tool or Arena help tool, etc that provides the same level of advantage over other players.
And that's why you can't really complain about bots in general.
Because Blizzard are sneaky and caveat their anti-bot policy with a catch-all that basically says "You can't use any 3rd party software....unless we say you can". Which is fine and they are perfectly entitled to do so - but there's an insidious side to this. At any time they feel like it, they can change their mind and then suddenly the use of that software (like HDT etc) can cause you to lose your account access.
That's not a "defence" of bots; nor is it a claim that bots are a good thing. But it is an explanation of why they are not as problematic as this thread OP would suggest. Take the win, enjoy the win. The bot made the game easier for you. How anyone can complain about this is somewhat baffling.
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Kaladin posted a message on When is Blizzard going to ban the bots in Wild?Posted in: General Discussion -
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Kaladin posted a message on When is Blizzard going to ban the bots in Wild?Posted in: General DiscussionWe need bots in wild, sometimes yo look 10 minutes for a game
That just means you need more players. Blizzard hasn't really done much to give people a reason to play Wild.
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Kaladin posted a message on When is Blizzard going to ban the bots in Wild?Posted in: General DiscussionI don't know why this bothers so many people unless they're losing to them.
- Bots are against the TOS
- Casual is a mode where you should be free to play whatever you want
- The existence of these bots at a certain MMR means you cannot just play whatever you want, you instead are forced to play something that beats them AND play the games to completion.
- These bots are effectively budget versions of aggro token decks. considering that most people probably play casual to play greedy homebrew decks, it's pretty obvious why a lot of us don't like queueing into them in casual.
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Sailordude9980 posted a message on Dean Ayala Asks: What Would Get You Back Into Hearthstone?Posted in: News1. Tournament mode
2. Auto Squelch
3. More PvE
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Kaiser_Choulio posted a message on Hearthstone Nerfs Coming February 5 - Equality, Cold Blood, Hunter's Mark & MorePosted in: NewsNERF BARNES
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Deck_Fiend posted a message on How Viper Broke the Mold with Peanut ShamanPosted in: Newswhy on earth is it called "peanut" though?
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Thezzy posted a message on Boss Battle Royale 2 is this Week's Tavern Brawl!Posted in: NewsFor me this Brawl was complete and utter trash.
First time I get Putricide (free Secrets) vs the Taunt on your Hero.
Get utterly 100% destroyed. Can't do shit.
Second time I get the Slime Hero (Grobbulous something) vs the Chessboard Hero.
Get utterly 100% destroyed because his minions auto-attack and nuke everything. Can't do shit with the 1/2 Slime that copies itself when everything just takes 2 or 4 damage each turn. I tried playing into positioning the minions correctly but my opponent can just play against that.
Third time I get the T-Rex boss (both players get a random card changed to 0 mana) vs a Hero that casts Evolve on the entire board at the end of each turn. I get 0 mana Tyrantus (10 mana for the Evolve thingy) and faceroll my opponent 100% and he can't do shit.
At first I genuinely thought random Hero powers would be fun. Instead it's a complete and utter 100% - 0% RNG fest.
I can imagine nearly all Heroes getting utterly curb stomped by the Taunt or Chessboard Hero purely by virtue of their board state.
Maybe I'm just annoyed that the first two tries were complete and utter annihilation and the third one was as well just in my favor that time.
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Horkinger posted a message on Steward of Darkshire + Faceless Shambler = Divine Shield?Posted in: General DiscussionOkay, I checked it with Starving Buzzard and Hobgoblin . First I played the Buzzard, then the Hobgoblin. But when I played a Stonetusk Boar , it got first buffed by Hobgoblin, then I drew a card (see attachments, the boar is buffed when I get the card). This claryfies that the playing order is not important, but the "whenever you summon" will resolve after the "whenever you play". However, it is still be possible that the divine shield will also be given to the minion depending when the "whenever you summon"-card checks for conditions. But it is an indication that hobgoblin could make 1/1s "immune" to the steward...
Anyway, it will almost never be an issue, but I like to know how the game works...
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KingSevault posted a message on Card Design Competition Season 8 FinalePosted in: NewsFor a season finale, there's a good number of unbalanced/uninspired cards in here.
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chapa posted a message on Stolen SteelPosted in: Stolen Steeljim raynor is that you?
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Easy gold to buy the chapters for the adventure? Yes please!
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Eye of the Storm doesn't have twinspell tho.
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Try contacting the support on Twitter then.
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I'm not quite sure why they nerf Fiendish Rites, I guess it's to prevent Galakrond Zoolock from being too oppresive once the other classes are nerfed.
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Can they stop bringing this horrible tavern brawl back? I've been trying to win a game for the past 45 minutes but the RNG decided I wouldn't, it's just not fun.
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TFW people say priest is back in the meta with this deck when this deck has been around in the meta for months, Zetalot was playing it on stream like 3 months ago and I still have the list in my decks for like 3 months.
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They'll never be as they can be disenchanted for a normal value.
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I'm not spending money on this expansion because I'm broke right now so I'll just build what I can with the 50 packs I get with gold.
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Doesn't look like a control deck to me, more like a dragon midrange deck with boardclears (???). Not convinced yet, needs some refining but maybe it'll be good.
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I can't think of one yet but I'm fairly certain there are some meme combos/decks around this card, interesting one for sure.