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I posit the key lesson: it's often ineffective to use targeted nerfs to fix widespread and determined power creep.

 I counterpose that that was never the intent, nor it is a desirable, achievable or realistic goal.

 Why would you be pro-powercreep? At the very least it long-term devalues your collection since the newest cards will be more powerful and hence more desirable. Only the newest players benefit from it and only while they are new. And ofc Blizzard which through this inflation of cards forces you to buy more new packs to stay ahead. And if I wanted to list the bad sides of powercreep I could write pages. Really makes no sense to me. 

Obviously, but the point of that is not that Warlock, esp. control Warlock, deserves buffs but other classes deserve nerfs, and for Blizz to reverse the gear on powercreeping cards. Just compare classic cards and the ones from last 1-2 years, it's crazy.

You are heavily invested in Warlock, and I get that, we all have our favorite class. But you would probably be well served if you branched out to other classes so that you are not so hard hit when Warlock is not strong in the meta. I agree with PetiteMouche (I think) that Warlock is ridiculously strong, just not strong in this meta. Eventually the meta will shift and Warlock will have its day. If we did what you want and just buffed it buffed it buffed it until it broke to the top it would be absolutely insane because then it would be strong despite the meta and that would make it broken on a level we haven't seen maybe ever. It would be strong in the presence of things that are meant to keep it down, classes which aren't would just die, I am not sure if meta could even compensate for such a buffed up Warlock. It's not fair and it should not happen.

Consider all the ridiculous tools available to Warlock, soul shard cards, corrupt cards (including hated Tickatus), Jaraxxus and a ton of others. Warlock has so many potentially bonkers cards is hard to list them all. This deck is 100% poised to take over the meta, it will almost certainly happen, just not yet. And indeed Blizz is aware of this and has to make sure when it happens it's not too disgusting.

As I said you can give players decent decks, which will be more than enough to get their 1win (or a few) after a couple games. Just don't give the best decks since that way you will ruin the mini-meta before it even begins. People will either use those decks or work off of them to make great ones of their own. Skipping that best part when people are experimenting and many decks are being played before clear winners emerge. Besides having a big collection of old cards should be useful for something.

Ultimately both our issues should be solved by better matchmaking. Players lacking cards or skill would be matched together after a few games, as would players running more memey decks like me who likewise would not have high winrate. But sadly Blizz probably does not care enough to put in a lot of work for TB matchmaking.

The issue with Hysteria is that it's a double whammy. Because if I play around Hysteria by having equalish minions so none can gobble up all the others then you get hit hard by AoE. If you play around AoE by having some stronger minions who will survive it you get hit hard by Hysteria. It is just an exceedingly annoying card to face, especially against Priest. It definitely deserved the nerf and I'd be quite happy if I never saw it again. Sadly it is too good to cut, which ofc just further shows the nerf was very much deserved.

As for the debate going on, warlock has some beyond bust cards imo. If it can't win with those then it is not warlock that is weak but everything else that is nuts. Powercreep really fucked this game hard since I left.

Yeah Discover was fun during League of Explorers or however that adventure that added it was called exactly. By the time of Un'goro a year and a bit later it was very old. Now endless card generation is so old it coughs out dust when it speaks.

I am so tired of having to fend off infinite solutions, especially from priests. If you ask me I'd stop printing Discover cards and then in two years we can finally be free of this menace. So yeah pretty much anything that hurts that annoying playstyle is good in my book. This would at least warn us what to watch out for, fourth Hysteria? Grrr, ok, I guess if I play this it won't be so bad... you get the idea. Or maybe add a further limitation that each card can only be Discovered or randomly generated once per game, so you know 3 is the max you will ever face in one match, well unless they use more obvious duplication methods like Felosophy, Echo, etc.

Love some of these ideas. I am a big brawl fan too. Can't really spend time trying to brainstorm ideas of my own but I wish there were more high quality premade brawls like the very first Ragnaros vs Nefarian, I think I played like 130 games of that or something nuts like that. Good times, first I preferred Nefarian strongly like everyone, might have even instaquit with Rag. But then after getting bored of Nef, focused on Rag, realized Rag is actually better most of the time if you know what you are doing. Farmed clueless Nefarians who would often quit fast in frustration once their initial aggression bogged down. Or clueless Rags who instaquit wanting Nef. Had 100g from 3wins from the brawl every day ez mode.

Premade decks may be offered, but definitely not the best ones Blizz can think of or the best from last time if a repeat brawl. Already too quickly things degenerate to cookie cutter decks, just recall the "use three cards brawl" meta it was overwhelmingly Patches druid, followed by fireball spam mage, with some overload shaman and pogo rogues sprinkled in. That was 99% of the meta. We don't need more of that we need less. Ideally you could fix that with better matchmaking but we know that won't happen.

Hope this thread is very active and we hear many cool brawl ideas.

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I think they should just announce the changes and push them out at the same time with no prior warning. Why do we need a warning?  What does it change knowing that a thing will happen in a couple of weeks instead of now? 

There's nothing I hate more than playing against OP cards which Blizzard themselves have decided are too good for their mana cost during the two weeks (or more) between the announcement and the nerf. It just feels like the opponent is cheating!

As for why they do it they way they do, I'm sure they have their reasons.   Some may be cynical and some may be practical, but at the end of the day only Blizzard knows.

 

 

 It’s always about money. They’re purposely vague on which cards will be nerfed so people will still spend money on packs and battle ready decks, then they pull the rug out from under us.

 Sadly I see no other way than to agree with this. I see no good reason not to be more upfront about what they will do, even if it comes with qualifiers like "maybe."

They are doing it again! So stupid and pathetic.

If you play DragonForce - Through Fire and Flames on the toe piano on the Uldum map perfectly and then flip a quest after you will get a 1500XP quest every time. It's hard to master and getting the map is harder now that it's Wild but it's very worth it. I really like it when Blizzard adds such little Easter eggs for dedicated players.

I only keep track when I am in the grind zone, D10-D5 where I am out of bonus stars and games really matter. I am currently 19 wins out of 27 games, three stars away from Legend. Just so I know how good or bad I am doing. Sometimes it helps me break that feeling that I am only going back and forth without progress forever by showing me I have a good winrate after all. And sometimes it tells me I am stuck forever and maybe need to change decks :D

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I feel like there's a ton of bs in this thread. I have no tavern pass and I play every day for a couple of hours and I'm currently lvl 81. So I honestly can't believe that someone without a pass, who claims to play an hour or two per day is between lvl 100 -200. Feels really strange. Of course, maybe it's ok but from my experience it's bs. Also, the same situation was with the prior expansion. And i played twice as much for 4 hours minimum if not more, while still being behind *casual* players who played for 1-2 hours by 50 - 150 lvl, who again claimed to not have a tavern pass. So yeah feels like a ton of bs. But hey, itäs just my opinion.

And I play mostly ranked and bg.

 Well I got rather lucky this track, 2x I got the Play a Friend quest and traded for it. I also abused the 2500XP quest bug while it was around, and I missed the first week of that. I can imagine people who got even luckier with quests and did the 2,5k thing from the first week would be about level 90-100. For context I did not play that much, I even missed a quest or two so if I was more hardcore I'd surely be in that range.

But yeah seems most of us without Tavern Pass are around lvl 80.

I agree. They have been focusing on milking the whales for a while now. Also when you are not happy with a product you vote with your wallet. It is something people have forgotten these days. Blizz has shown, in multiple games, that not only are they money grubbing they don't even produce stellar gameplay as before. For HS in particular I feel the game is way to expensive to keep up with properly. But even then I might be okay with dropping some money on it if not for the fact I am unhappy with the state of the gameplay. Until Blizzard shapes up, either by slashing prices or improving the game I will continue to deny them money. Simple as.

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In my opinion that's the reason. If they confirm that "Deck of Lunacy will be nerfed the next week" all players will craft that card and spam it till the nerf is active.

Even if it's obvious that they'll nerf it, like happened with DoL, I'm sure that by not confirming until 1/2 days before some players will be scared to craft it until that moment, reducing the overuse of that deck in ladder.

 

 But it is unlikely you have the cards to support Lunacy, i.e. the default no-minion mage of now. I would not craft epics for that deck knowing they won't be so useful after DoL is nerfed. And indeed my deck was just for fun and far from optimal DoL deck, I had none of the necessary epics and just put in any spell to make it to 30. Again the benefit of playing with that card for a week or two is so small it seems very petty to hide for just that reason. Meanwhile the harm is great as I've outlined.

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You guys are so salty I've played this game since launch never playing top teir decks and I finally make it and wanna share the news and just get shit on. Keep playing in gold tier guys you will get there soon!

 Don't sweat it OP, some people are way too elitist about a fairly simple card game. Hitting legend with any deck is an achievement, it is silly to hound people for playing a good deck at the highest level of the game. Playing a bad deck would be the silly thing since you would take so much grief getting to legend if you get there at all.

I too am poised to go legend this season, I built a good deck, I am D5. The final grind begins tomorrow. I never bothered with legend even though I think I had the chops (and cards) for it exactly because it is a grind. If I do it now I will probably never bother again, getting D5 for rewards is enough.

Congratz!