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Wow! Great Nerfs! Practically every card I was frustrated about will be balanced - and that still in May! (Still missing: Tarim. But that's okay for now) 

So laddering might actually be fun (and possible!) in the current season already! 

Thanx Blizzard! 

Clockwork Automaton Paladin!

Somehow that didn't work out... 

Of course there's a lot of whining about the same things. (and not reading older threads to see if the issue has been dealt with before is really annoying).

Still I think that constructive discussion has to be possible. Having the same deck archetypes "surviving" new expansions on the top of the Meta doesn't feel healthy. So calling for very specific nerfs of certain cards is nothing that deserves such a degrading starting comment. 

Quote from episode63 >>

That's like asking blizz to add a card to tech against Health. But then you realize, that's every card that deals damage basically. Adding a tech card when every card that deals damage (minion, spell, whatever) is already a tech card for armor/health is kinda silly.

I've been thinking about this issue for quite a while and I also feel that it's quite hard to balance.

The main problem is the ambiguous nature of armor itself. While reducing armor is basically identical to dealing damage, ADDING armor is NOT identical to healing. (This can be impressively seen in a Priest / Warrior matchup. While the Priest Hero Power is pretty useless in the first rounds, Warrior can add up a fair amount of "additional Health"...)

Surely the effect becomes more and more similar during the match, but it still feels unfair that Health and Armor can add up to total amount that largely exceeds the original 30 HP. So asking for tools to reduce armor seems quite natural.

But how actually do it? Just destroying all armor might surely seem OP, but you have to see that this is still a rather smal effect for any tech-card. Think of Eater of Secrets or Chief Inspector. While those cards might do large damage to Secret Mage or Secret Paladin, they are rather weak against others.

So even if we did have a "destroy all armor"-card, I wouldn't call it OP as it only gets it's full value in very specific matchups.

Ways to balance might be possible by making the other player "pay" for destroying armor. Something like an 8 Mana 4/8 Minion with battlecry "Destroy your opponent's armor. Deal the same amount of Damage to this minion". (Don't know if this is playable, but you might get what I'm after).

So I'm really hoping for intelligent tech against armor, though I'm not sure how to do it...

I think all of this has been discussed many times before. 

I don't think the battlecry is OP by itself, it's cheating out high-cost demons FAR BEFORE round 10. So pulling Bloodreaver feels definitely unfair after that. Tune down the cheating tools and the battlecry would be fair for its 10 Mana.

The Heropower though has been too strong from the start in my opinion. 

Targetable 2-Lifesteal would still be quite strong (it would mean a netto 4-Health-gap when played on the enemy hero).

But I don't think, they'll nerf that.

So: fix lackey and cube, and the Warlock DK will feel fair again. 

Quote from Velrun >>

I voted 75-25 in favor of skills because I know it can seem like bad luck when your opponent played better the entire game.

Over a long period of time luck grows unimportant. That is why it is always the best players who win.

Quote from Durono >>

Still have a good time playing this deck,usually ppl dont know how to clear board when eggs are in game :)

Just to make sure I'm getting this right:

The whole point of this thread is the fact that one of the AI-Bosses in a FREE CONTENT part of the game, which grants you a FREE BONUS CARDBACK is too hard to beat??

People got strange problems these days...

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Any update?

Quote from snowbear4 >>

Did you read the rest of what I said? I said that cube on its own doesn’t need a nerf because it can be countered by silence effects, but dark pact is the problem because Cubelocks only play it when they can kill it the same turn with dark pact, essentially negating the silence downside.

i really like the design of cube- risking destroying your creature now to get two copies later- but dark pact breaks the card. 

Esit: sorry I don’t know how to edit this to include a quote, but it was replying to the person that just took the first two lines of what I wrote, saying “cube can be countered by silence effects” and their argument was that it’s played exclusively with dark pact

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I don’t think carnivorous cube is the problem. It can be easily countered by silence effects. 

Quote from Sheryf >>

They should nerf Lock self healing because when u think u can face him he easy heal himself for 8 + 8 + 7 + 7. He is better healer than priest.

 Regarding the Cube, I also think that the problem is not the card itself, but the (obviously uncalculated) synergies with certain classes. Though I actually like the card as it is, I still like to discuss the mentioned ideas. 

Adding the copies to your hand seems like a decent idea, but imo completely destroys the flavor of the card. (I imagine the minions being spitted out again on the board). Reducing the effect to one summoned copy and in turn improve the stats of the cube itself seems far more reasonable while actually being even more realistic in terms of flavor. (why two copies? It's called cube, not copycat) 

That's what I'd vote for, should the need arise. 

Though I doubt, that anyone at Blizzard will ever read this... 

Quote from NovaxirHS >>

Hi bro. I'm testing a Standard Baku Shaman and I'm giving an advice to everyone testing odd versions: try Lightwarden as 1 drop ;)