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I could really only see this being "OP" in Freeze.

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In fairness you must be even stupider than Trump if you think terrorists are waiting to come into USA with refugees. Nearly all the attacks in recent years are from home grown terrorists. As in they have US passports. Face up to the facts here people and stop being a bunch of egotistic self centered morons that the whole world knows ye are.

As for the 50,000 homeless. Well that's just a product of your shitty society. Try taking care of your citizens instead of the dog eat dog BS the US is known for. Its not like ye don't spend trillions on blowing brown people up already.

USA played its part in making these people refugees by decades of meddling in the Middle Easts politics. Now its time to suck it up and be a man. Ye can't just bomb half the planet and expect the world to be a better place.

 "Ye". Europeans are so cute. I don't know what country you're from, but here in America we have states that are larger than entire European countries. We have more people, so of course we have more poor and homeless than your tiny irrelevant countries do.

 I'm Irish.

Free healthcare, free education, free speech, free housing for those who cant afford it, and we don't have blood our hands. It's paradise.

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In fairness you must be even stupider than Trump if you think terrorists are waiting to come into USA with refugees. Nearly all the attacks in recent years are from home grown terrorists. As in they have US passports. Face up to the facts here people and stop being a bunch of egotistic self centered morons that the whole world knows ye are.

As for the 50,000 homeless. Well that's just a product of your shitty society. Try taking care of your citizens instead of the dog eat dog BS the US is known for. Its not like ye don't spend trillions on blowing brown people up already.

USA played its part in making these people refugees by decades of meddling in the Middle Easts politics. Now its time to suck it up and be a man. Ye can't just bomb half the planet and expect the world to be a better place.

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The left is the biggest problem in the USA right now, hands down. They're pushing forward agendas that are TRULY fascist, not the "fascist" they keep parroting as a buzzword. Some examples of this include: Gun Control and Political Correctness. You want to disarm the public which historically has always lead to disaster, and you want total political correctness which is infringement on freedom of speech. This is a slippery slope where any opposing view that differs from the left is, "wrong, racist and bigoted".  In a recent study, 40% of millennials support jailing those who say and type things that minorities find offensive. This is unconstitutional and unamerican in the highest order. These are the same people who are pushing for gun control and redistribution of wealth. It will only get worse from here. The reason Trump is swinging so hard right is because this country has gone so far to the left that it doesn't even resemble a Democracy anymore. This is rapidly becoming Mussolini's Italy.

 I used to feel that strongly in my late 20's. I was a hardcore Michael Savage, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter fan, and I bought into all of it. Now, after a bit of aging (and learning), I recognize it more as rhetoric. There is of course, some truth to their positions, but a lot of it skews actual data to fit their agenda.  The left does this as well of course, it's nothing new. But I've just come to recognize it and acknowledge it on both sides of the aisle. 

The point is, I think the whole "the left is what is wrong with his country" rhetoric is just that. While I associate more with conservative policies, values, and ideologies, I think that blanket statements like that are off base.  There are ideologies on BOTH sides that are wrong and are potentially harmful for the country.

I agree that it's dumb to think that taking guns out of the hands of citizens is a viable solution to gun violence, but I also think it's dumb to believe that certain gun control policies (such as better background checks and stricter enforcement of those policies) aren't necessary.

I don't like hate speech and think that those who spew it are ignorant, perhaps even deviants, but it's a bad idea to outright ban it altogether.

I have to admit that at first, I was indeed a Trump supporter (very early on). But then, he just kept opening his mouth and making dumb statements, things that weren't just true or things that weren't Presidential, or things that were far too egocentric (such as claiming to be Christian yet saying that he's never needed to apologize for anything).

I know you like him, I won't bash him. I know you think he'll win, but I see little evidence of that. Historical elections seem to indicate that the front runner rarely if ever actually wins the election. It's far too early to make predictions. Lots of people you've never heard of or don't remember had similar polling numbers as Trump.

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The left is the biggest problem in the USA right now, hands down. They're pushing forward agendas that are TRULY fascist, not the "fascist" they keep parroting as a buzzword. Some examples of this include: Gun Control and Political Correctness. You want to disarm the public which historically has always lead to disaster, and you want total political correctness which is infringement on freedom of speech. This is a slippery slope where any opposing view that differs from the left is, "wrong, racist and bigoted".  In a recent study, 40% of millennials support jailing those who say and type things that minorities find offensive. This is unconstitutional and unamerican in the highest order. These are the same people who are pushing for gun control and redistribution of wealth. It will only get worse from here. The reason Trump is swinging so hard right is because this country has gone so far to the left that it doesn't even resemble a Democracy anymore. This is rapidly becoming Mussolini's Italy.

 I was under the impression that the gun situation in america leads to more deaths by shootings then any recent terror attack. And did you see recently the terrorist in england with a knife? Saying that making it harder to aquire guns doesn't reduce deaths in attacks is just wrong.
The second amendmend about the right to bear arms was meant to allow people to form a militia as to not get surpressed by theit gouvernment. Limiting semi-automatic weapons is not "disarming the public".
Nobody needs as many weapons at home to start a small war and if you look at countries with less weapons you see that there are less civilians who die because of them.
But that is probably just leftist propaganda. Actually there are no deaths through gun-violence in the US and every gun owner is really responsible...

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 Nearly everything a Muslim believes would be considered "radical" by Western standards. I've already sited the percentages of would-be terrorists and Sharia supporters who already live in the United States. The very culture of these people is in stark contrast to the culture of the West. Just because they aren't terrorists doesn't mean they love America or share our values. We shouldn't be allowing droves of people in who do not care about our country's principles. There are many Muslim nations that will gladly take these people in, and plenty of European nations foolish enough to do so. They don't have to come here and the majority of us do not want them here.

If you are going to use data such as polls or surveys, it is important to make sure they come from a reputable source.

And you are mistaken about "majority of us don't want them here." 57% oppose Trump's Muslim proposal: http://www.wsj.com/articles/wsj-nbc-poll-finds-majority-opposes-trump-plan-to-ban-muslims-1449784927

The left is the biggest problem in the USA right now, hands down. They're pushing forward agendas that are TRULY fascist, not the "fascist" they keep parroting as a buzzword. Some examples of this include: Gun Control and Political Correctness. You want to disarm the public which historically has always lead to disaster, and you want total political correctness which is infringement on freedom of speech. This is a slippery slope where any opposing view that differs from the left is, "wrong, racist and bigoted".  In a recent study, 40% of millennials support jailing those who say and type things that minorities find offensive. This is unconstitutional and unamerican in the highest order. These are the same people who are pushing for gun control and redistribution of wealth. It will only get worse from here. The reason Trump is swinging so hard right is because this country has gone so far to the left that it doesn't even resemble a Democracy anymore. This is rapidly becoming Mussolini's Italy.

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In terms of terrorist attacks increasing with Muslim populations... are you serious? Just look at any bombing or shooting, The vast majority are done by Muslims.

 True, but the vast majority of Muslims and nations with Muslim populations are not terrorists and in fact, condemn radical ideology. So why condemn ALL Muslims?

http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2015/11/17/in-nations-with-significant-muslim-populations-much-disdain-for-isis/

http://time.com/4112830/muslims-paris-terror-attacks-islam-condemn/

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Anyone can claim to be "anonymous". It's not even the same group it used to be. Now it's nothing but a bunch of liberal edgelords that fight to remove free speech from the internet. The only thing that will stop ISIS is bombs and bullets, and we'll get it done. This is what America is #1 at.

With 57% of our National budget going towards Defense Spending which should read "Military Industrial Complex" it should be the case. Never mind the fact that number is 4 times the second country in spending (China). Never mind the fact that these military conflicts actually *propogate* more "enemies".

What will "kill" ISIS is when people start getting real about ideologies and how they can be prohibitive and destructive. Ridicule, Satire, Shame. These are the tools against bad ideas. Bullets can't kill an idea, it just reinforces the rhetoric.

 Your numbers are way off.  The US's spending on its military is 53% of its DISCRETIONARY spending which is 29% of it's entire budget.

The spending budget is divided into 3 categories: mandatory (65%), discretionary (29%), interest (5%).

Military spending includes: defense (which is the spending category you are referring to), veterans, foreign military aid, foreign economic aid.

Defense spending, the category you are referring to, is $600B. The budget is $3.8T. That comes out to 16% of the budget, not this crazy 57%.  

http://www.usgovernmentspending.com/federal_budget_detail_fy16bs12015n_30#usgs302

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/budget-basics/federal-budget-101/spending/

And you are right that ideologies need to be challenged and attacked, but just like bullets alone won't solve the problem, either will addressing the ideologies alone. It's a balance. To go far right or to go far left is to fail and fail miserably.

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 No, you are just illiterate.

The Person of the Year goes to most influential. Someone can be nominated like Al'Baghdadi/Hitler or someone like Mother Theresa/Angela Merkel.

My argument was she was elected for being positive and not negative. Positive not negative. People decided she was a positive influence and not a negative one.

 Then what exactly was the point in mentioning that she was TIME's person of the year if not to push your narrative? By the same token I could say that she won because she's awful just like Al-Baghdadi. Keep digging that hole, I'm dying of laughter over here.

You said have fun letting in refugees like Germany, they will ruin Germany's economy and culture.

And I said if that was true then Merkel would not be considered a positive influence.

I know it requires some critical thinking, context clues, and the like.. but that was the conversation.

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 No, you are just illiterate.

The Person of the Year goes to most influential. Someone can be nominated like Al'Baghdadi/Hitler or someone like Mother Theresa/Angela Merkel.

My argument was she was elected for being positive and not negative. Positive not negative. People decided she was a positive influence and not a negative one.

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Please move to Europe, might I suggest Germany? They're inviting 5 million Syrians to come destroy their history and culture. You'd love it there.

Wait a second here, Hitler! That argument has nothing to do with terrorists anymore. Now you are full on in the realm of racism and fascist ideology. Immigrants have NEVER in the history of the world destroyed a country's culture and or said history. It's kind of ironic that an american talks about immigrants.

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Not sure whether Mosrhun is a troll or not, but he is spot-on on this :

Anyone can claim to be "anonymous". It's not even the same group it used to be. Now it's nothing but a bunch of liberal edgelords that fight to remove free speech from the internet.

Anybody who have an interest in Anonymous actions since its dawn can notice that they primarily target simple individuals who happened to have opinions that doesn't fit their liberal mindset. They are vigilantes, they screw up people lives without any form of due process using any excuses they can (antiracism, anti-patriarchy, paedophilia, whatever, ...). Yet they claim to defend "freedom". Well, fuck them, they are hypocrites. They simply are wolves who fight with other wolves to know who will eat the popular lamb. Any ordinary person who does not share their liberal mindset should fear them more than any government in the world.

Ridicule, Satire, Shame. These are the tools against bad ideas. Bullets can't kill an idea, it just reinforces the rhetoric.

Bullets may not kill an idea, but "ridicule, satire, shame" are no more effective. In fact, it reinforces their rhetoric as well. Imagine being mocked by the entirety of society, encourage by the intellectual and cultural elite. How would you feel ?

 I am not a troll. I'm a person of reason and fact. I don't let feelings interfere with reality.

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 Yeah that's why the President of Germany just won Time's Person of the Year. Because she destroyed her country and culture by being Humane.

 She's TIME's person of the year because TIME is pushing the agenda of refugees in the USA. Can't you see anything? The majority of Germans I have spoken to do not like this woman. Not to mention that the runner up for TIME's person of the year is literally the leader of ISIS. Are you kidding me buddy?

 Yeah, I'll just take your word on German citizen's opinions. Right.

Yeah, the leader of ISIS certainly has done plenty to be recognized on the world stage as being influential.

I never said contenders for Person of the year is automatically a SAINT, but the current winner happened to be elected for POSITIVE reasons as opposed to NEGATIVE, which was my argument in the first place.

Banning immigrants or refugees is completely Un-American. Do you know how and why our country was founded?

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Not sure whether Mosrhun is a troll or not, but he is spot-on on this :

Anyone can claim to be "anonymous". It's not even the same group it used to be. Now it's nothing but a bunch of liberal edgelords that fight to remove free speech from the internet.

Anybody who have an interest in Anonymous actions since its dawn can notice that they primarily target simple individuals who happened to have opinions that doesn't fit their liberal mindset. They are vigilantes, they screw up people lives without any form of due process using any excuses they can (antiracism, anti-patriarchy, paedophilia, whatever, ...). Yet they claim to defend "freedom". Well, fuck them, they are hypocrites. They simply are wolves who fight with other wolves to know who will eat the popular lamb. Any ordinary person who does not share their liberal mindset should fear them more than any government in the world.

Ridicule, Satire, Shame. These are the tools against bad ideas. Bullets can't kill an idea, it just reinforces the rhetoric.

Bullets may not kill an idea, but "ridicule, satire, shame" are no more effective. In fact, it reinforces their rhetoric as well. Imagine being mocked by the entirety of society, encourage by the intellectual and cultural elite. How would you feel ?

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Pretty sure most European and Asian countries have had more enemies in the entirety of the human species, given civilisation has existed there for far longer (and clearly it's showing).  The US is very good at creating enemies though, I'll give them that.  The issue with the American military budget is that it far exceeds any other country, and all the countries that are near it are its allies anyway, now couple that with the fact the US can barely hold its own in Vietnam, you could argue it's wasted money.

The issue with American politics right now is that the two party system has created two political extremes which are proving to be toxic to the culture.  This was before Trump even arrived on the scene, he's managed to turn the Republican party into a vile band of humans who will do anything to become elected. I don't know how anyone can trust them whilst they're sitting on billions of dollars of bribes from energy companies.  It makes the entire election process completely non-objective and ridiculous.

Before anyone complains that I'm some hard-left liberal nut spreading his own agenda; I'm centre-right and from the UK.

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Anyone can claim to be "anonymous". It's not even the same group it used to be. Now it's nothing but a bunch of liberal edgelords that fight to remove free speech from the internet. The only thing that will stop ISIS is bombs and bullets, and we'll get it done. This is what America is #1 at.

 Liberal Edgelord?

Says the guy with the Trump avatar brandishing the idea that we should wall up "our" borders to keep those dang foreigners out.

America is good at war, no doubt about it. That's why we fight for both sides, like in Syria where we are arming Islamist Rebels to fight Assad. With 57% of our National budget going towards Defense Spending which should read "Military Industrial Complex" it should be the case. Never mind the fact that number is 4 times the second country in spending (China). Never mind the fact that these military conflicts actually *propogate* more "enemies".

What will "kill" ISIS is when people start getting real about ideologies and how they can be prohibitive and destructive. Ridicule, Satire, Shame. These are the tools against bad ideas. Bullets can't kill an idea, it just reinforces the rhetoric.

Liberal Bernie supporter detected.

Rest assured that Trump will win this election, and that you will not get your communist in office. This man wants to give 11 million illegals (criminals by definition) citizenship. His plan for free college cannot even be paid for if the rich are taxed 100% of their income. If by some chance you support Hillary then your opinion is even more invalid on this topic. Before you reply with Trump bashing, perhaps you should look at the latest national polls from yesterday. Trump is at 35% nation wide, up 13% in just 2 months. Another national poll shows him beating Hillary head to head. Hillary will win the Democratic vote, Bernie isn't even close and frankly the man might die before the primaries.

What benefit to our nation are immigrant Muslims? The vast majority coming over here aren't skilled workers. It's not like every one of them is a doctor, lawyer, or programmer. Most of them will live off the system, and we have enough homeless veterans here at home to take care of. If you care so much about the suffering of others, perhaps you should donate your time to a soup kitchen? Even American Muslims turn to extremism. One of the San Bernardino shooters was born and raised here, yet that didn't stop him from slaying mentally ill people for Allah. The Boston Bombers were Syrian Refugees that came here at a young age, yet they still killed for Allah. There comes a time when Political Correctness crosses a line and gets people killed, and that time is now. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying all terrorists are Muslim, however you can't deny that with increased Muslim population comes increased terror attacks. This is an observable fact.

You will not destroy ISIS by shaming them, their doctrine is one of hate and jihad. They do not care what the west thinks of them. They needs to be completely eradicated like the roaches they are.

Wow. Do you always talk *around* the subject?

You do know giving amnesty is a BI-PARTISAN practice and you wouldn't be here without it? I don't care about poll numbers, many people supporting a bad idea doesn't make the idea a good one.

Way to bring up non-issues like Free Education, you don't even have a real argument as to why you think it's impossible to fund. Clue: They've run the numbers and it's only a few billion to make it happen (at least when Obama proposed it).

You can continue to be an ignorant bigot thinking 'Murica is the greatest place on Earth and only Trump can "save us and bring back the old glory days". You've just been lied to and pumped full of hate and propaganda like ISIS.

You are OVER GENERALIZING when you say immigrants have no benefit to "our" society. You want to take care of veterans and the poor Americans? Your party is the one cutting VA and Retirement benefits. Your party wants more war and violence to solve the problem of war and violence.

Please send me the study that PROVES more Muslim populations cause more Terror attacks. Please.

Free education is not a non-issue when that's his primary appeal to the young 18 year old Communists who are voting for him. The numbers have been run and you're mistaken. Where is this magical money coming from? If you take money from one program to fund it, then the other program has no money. This includes things like Social Security and Medicaid. Who's going to get screwed so that you can get your degree in Gender Studies and complain on Twitter that you're undervalued in society? Also, why would you ever listen to Obama? The man is the worst President in the history of this country. He's weak on everything except gun control, what a true American. He consistently attempts to circumvent the Constitution with executive orders. He's a joke of the highest order and I'm so glad he's on his way out.

I almost want these refugees to come here so that I can gloat when your home town is plagued with suicide bombings, but that would be cruel and even I don't hate the Left enough to wish that upon them. We're trying to save your lives and you don't even recognize it.

In terms of terrorist attacks increasing with Muslim populations... are you serious? Just look at any bombing or shooting, The vast majority are done by Muslims.

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There are no terrorists among the refugees

"There are no terrorists among the refugees"

"There are no terrorists among the refugees"

Do people actually believe this?

 

 This is what leftists actually believe, it's truly moronic.

 You are off the reservation with this one.

Anyone with a brain can see through what you are saying. You actually think giving more people ACCESS to information and education is going to hurt rather than help? Typical Republican backwardism.

You take from the 57% of the Defense Budget down to 45-35% and BAM you can do a lot more for education, infrastructure, benefits, etc.

Obama the worst President ever? Says literally no one but die-hard Conservatives with ZERO facts to back up the claim. You need to take a long look in the mirror when it comes to the Constitution and which party is for what policy, who is denying what. You are clueless.

Gloat over terrorist attacks at home? You are not an American.

America has more enemies than anyone in the history of the human species. The last thing we need to do is lower funding to the military. Obama is the worst president ever because all he does is push a liberal agenda and take a back seat to foreign affairs. As he's famously quoted as saying, "Lead from behind". If you bothered to actually read my entire post you'd see that I was being facetious and that of course I do not want any American blood to be shed. Those who openly invite refugees from places that are known to be the central hub of hate for the west and terrorism are the ones who are unamerican. What they're actually inviting into this country is the death of the nation.

You didn't put much effort into your reply and you glossed over most of my arguments, so this is all you get in response. Try again pal.

 That's because everything you are saying is objectively wrong, it would take too much time to line-by-line refute all your inaccuracies.

Cutting a huge defense budget does not mean we have zero defense budget. Does not mean other countries will have a military advantage. Keep parroting the company line and FEAR MONGERING.

The world is not black in white. Solutions are not black and white. Debates are not black and white. Only Conservatives enforce this mentality, to shelter their elementary beliefs.